CJack

No. Not as of now.

What made you resubmit the app ? Sorry may have posted already but curious.

We would have been better off if Roberts and Kavanaugh kept their opinion to themselves. If we go by SCOTUS track record, its going to be another 10 years and 100s of thousands of people's rights denied before they take up another case. And by then who knows. Roberts was enough of a sell out, now I have feeling we got Kavanaugh as well in that category. There is real danger that future cases may see a 5 libs / sellouts vs 4 constitutionalists.

Buying in bulk saves money. Being self-sufficient (as much as possible) saves money and time. Preparing stuff your self saves time and money, and is healthy (puts you to work , healthy eating etc). You get the point. Is that considered "prepping" the way TV shows dramatize ? Hardly.

I have a suspicion about it being the "I am punishable". I did qual at their place. They did fail people who were not safe, shot before the target is up etc. So they should not have any issue with signing with that language.

Yeah, my intent for this thread is to just collect actual evidence - screenshots, copy of the forms, etc from various sources.

Did reloaderz elaborate on WHY they wont provide ?

Here is where we gonna gather various shenanigans pulled by various NJ PDs stalling, delaying and outright intimidating applicants and references alike. Feel free to post if you have any copies of requirements town PDs are forcing, beyond what NJSP packet includes.

Can folks in the city hear the bear shitting in the woods ?

I attached the actual documents I collected from the FB groups. If they offered it in good faith, I would say kudos. You HAVE to do the test at their range, under their supervision. But you cannot practice at the said range. I am betting that range was never even open to public before this. If you fail 3 times, you can say bye bye to your application (I know its ridiculous not to pass in 3 attempts). But the point is, what other Fng right do they scrutinize to this extent ? On a side note, as much as I appreciate SCOTUS finally ruling on this one, Kavanaugh and Robert left door for permit abuse WIDE OPEN. Any chance of taking down NFA, GCA, even AWB are non-starters.

Haha.. bitching and facts ? Here are the facts attached. .. Hope you dont claim these are fake documents and that I should a direct letter from respective PDs. LOT of information is sent to ANJRPC "strikeforce". Dont even get me started on that. And apologize for being a dick, but this stuff just boils my blood.

So we should play nice or else .. from the very PDs we are supposed to build "alliance" with ? Qualifiers are as clear as they ever can be. They even have damn names to them HQC-1. There is a published PDF we all shared that clearly describes that course of fires is for what. There is even clearly spelled out RPO, less stringent than HQC-1. You want to know what PDs are pulling ? Here is some directly from first hand experience posted on FB Pages: 1. Refusing to take application entirely claiming they dont have guidance - Massive Lie. 2. Records Staff disappeared completely without even lights on during working hours . 3. Sending reference letters, again, despite the actual application clearly has certification. 4. Demanding reference letters be notatized. 5. MANDATING social security number and drivers license number from references. Or else, application aint moving 6. THREATENING language in reference letters about getting jammed up if you are not truthful (how the F are you supposed to know someone so deeply that even PDs cannot dig dirt up ) 7. Atleast one PD, are doing their own testing. Treating their own tax payers like children and only way to get qualification is to show up to the PD range and shoot quals. If you fail Quals 3 times, you ain't getting permit at all. This BS is not the mark of good police departments. And no one should be laying low and play ball .. and fear for "or else". There is MORE from Superior Courts. Mr. Cheeseman (the guy with bunch of denials and cases) posted on FB saying once they even dug up "unpaid dog license". So yeah, thats the kinda shit they are pulling.

Thats how Nazi orders were written as well so the idiots who follow can hang but the powers be go free. I did quals from ReloaderZ and I had a sneaking suspicion that some towns / judges will pull some sh*t like this.

Atleast in Bergen County, they injected Prosecutor office into the process with sole purpose of digging dirt beyond what local PD may already have done. I was reading a case file other day where the Judge denied (pre Bruen) based on incorrectly checking a box on the form, while acknowledging the applicant poses no threat to society and lived positively.

I took Reloaderz and my town (Bergen County) took that with no issues (so far). My application is not yet approved, so there is that. What town / county you are in ?

Reading some of the past denial cases atleast from Bergen County, looks like they will try to get people in the areas of falsifying the application - checking the boxes for things that may have happened looooong time ago, seeking counseling interpreted as mental health issues or other silly stuff. With justifiable need gone, likely they will double down and start taking crack at "good moral character" and "thorough familiarity with the safe handling" and other discretionary and open ended traps. We all know more lawsuits need to happen to get rid of all this discretionary crap.

Thats the slippery slope that ALWAYS leads to class system. "Demonstration", "Good Moral Character", "Test", "Proficiency" etc are all different ways to establish a controlling regime, which we all know how it ends up. Letting the "irresponsible" ones bear the consequences after the fact. Thats what the laws are for. It would nice if everyone prepare themselves upfront, but it should be up to individuals as to how they exercise that right.

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Yes ? Dropped off Jul 7th and FP done on Jul 8th. No update so far other than "we are working on some procedures that should clear up soon". There are direct reports of some town here sending snail mail letters. Some outright told applicants at they are holding all application awaiting clarification from "the state".

Bergen County - Looks like most towns are dragging their feet with either "waiting for the direction on process to submit to court" or "waiting for approved list of qualification courses" or some other excuse. Bergen County Prosecutors Office sends another confusing letter URGING PDs to do "thorough background check" in place of now unconstitutional "justifiable need". In summary, traitors to the constitution.

Then the bill itself got to be unconstitutional and thrown out even IF the bill come to pass, is it ?

?? I may be stating the obvious.. but that is the case if you DON'T have a NJ permit to carry handgun.

Can Congress make laws that are against US Constitution ?

Where is @xXxplosive when we need them ..LOL

But here is the deal. You know it, I know it, and grandma knows it, that NJ will not slow their anti-2A stance based on open carry or conceal carry. You also know that, just like they removed the "carry" verbiage from FPID they will sneak in "ccw" word onto the Carry paper as well (without actual law to back it up). Regular Joes and more importantly COPS need to know its (the law) just CARRY and NOT concealed carry and that fact need to be reinforced from time to time or it goes the way the "long gun carry". Many years ago when I joined this forum, there were talks like "Yeah man, we need to show up with long guns open carry to this place, that place, show whats legal blah blah blah". What happened ? The current "privilege" was afforded by a NY case, not because of any push back from People here in NJ or activism. If we don't take opportunities like this and communicate with our dear elected leaders and Public, we are gonna have to wait for another NY case to hit SCOTUS in another 10 years, 10 years after that.. <<rant-over>>