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PD took about 6 weeks to submit to Court. MO cashed after 4 weeks of submitting to Court. Issue date is about 3 weeks after MO cashed. Printing / Typing took another week. Call to pick up permit from PD - another two weeks. All in all, approx 4 months.. tooooo long to exercise a Constitutional Right. But thats another thread.

After a looong 4 month process, permit is finally in hand. Bergen County. Nothing special, just various components of NJ system delaying as much as possible.

I say let it all hit the fan FAST. For decades, anti's been hiding behind "We support 2A, Constitution blah blah blah.." .. may be FUDDs gonna finally wake up.. or not.

No, my understanding is that the money order is cashed at the Court level.

Check status of your money order (cashed or not) at usps (google for link). If its cashed, likely your permit is on the way.

They can claim (and they will be within limits) that they are verifying information you provided. If you say you are unemployed, they cannot demand pay stub as its moot.

Francisco permit case was heard post Bruen (and because of Bruen) and issued with all the same restrictions. Concerning is if Superior Courts (or someone behind the scenes) are coordinating this and rolling out restrictions.

The guy who got that lengthy restrictions, Francisco, has been a plaintiff in a FPC for couple of years now. FYI.

Appreciate if you can link that thread here so folks dont continue to discuss that topic on this thread. On the cost @g17owner, I remember folks (myself included) being ready to give a left nut to exercise the 2A right of carry in NJ. Dont get me wrong, any process that prevents most poor from exercising is an unconstitutional process, but we have to pay (atleast in the beginning) to put applications through this process, make it normal and usual to carry and fund further lawsuits. @dilbert1967 If everyone stays out of applying, nothing may ever change. I am pretty sure Commercial side (qualifications, notary etc) of costs will come down. It may even come to where ranges will offer free quals with membership or low cost quals for renewals. I also dont see reason to pay more to qualify with multiple firearms. There is an opportunity to file lawsuit regarding the "qualified firearms" BS as law says one can carry any firearm owned by the applicant. In summary, we need MORE people to flood the system with applications, not less.

I dont think SCOTUS will rule on Constitutional Carry across the board. If it does, it will be another 10 or 20 years, and it assumes Kavanaugh wakes up and smells coffee and assume Justice Thomas stays on along with other Constitionalists. Perhaps, even conservative Justices will be waiting for MOST states to go Constitutional Carry before touching that topic. However, it should be easy picking to challenge any State law that does not allow some type of reasonable process for an out of state resident to carry.

Those who has been carrying for some time. If you get invited to a party (at their house) and host doesn't know, do you: * Not carry in to their house * Inform the host * Something else ????

Sent a note to FPC. Those of us who live on the NY border up here gonna get taste of "Shaneen Allen Treatment" pretty soon. Especially since NY does not have even have a "Out of state resident permit"

This is definitely whole another thread, but the concurrences tell you where the particular justice draw the line, how they influenced the majority opinion and what is about to come in near future.

Kavanaugh is a gone case. Nowhere is it clear than his first paragraph.. He severely limited Bruen impact.

Do they collect social media accounts for last three years of NYPD cops ? How about interviewing NYPD families every year to ensure no one is beating their wives ?

Unfortunately for us, Roberts is a sell-out and Kavanaugh is almost there. If it was not for those two, Bruen would have made it solid 2A once for all. That whole lecture with "permitting is constitutional" BS is from those two. Its probably going to take another 10 to 20 years before another case involving the permitting abuse is going to be picked up by SCOTUS. And by then , who knows.

The law requires nothing more than "safe handling of a firearm" . In fact, simple passing of a test in use of force laws is good enough. No need to "out" anyone, that's the control freaks talking. And those counties need to be sued.

Verifying the application is job of the PD. Every PD does it differently. Some call / contact the references. Some don't. Do NOT go by what others may have experienced with their own PDs. Go by what your local PD advice and does.

Tell him YOU will worry about the courts and you need the application to be approved and sent to court within reasonable time (which btw, we all know is 60 days). If you are close to 50 days in with PD, quote the actual law to them and ask them to process it and send it over to Court. PDs should know that we are all grown men and women and not some stupid a** who feed information off of social media.

Primary purpose of most of these unconstitutional requirements is to catch you lie and deny your rights for that reason alone. I remember reading couple of NJ PTC cases where Judge would praise the applicant for all the good things and ends up denying for failure to disclosing some arrest that happened decades ago. Roberts is a big disaster and Kavanaugh is one in the making. If not for those two, SCOTUS Bruen ruling would have put stop to all this BS from the get go. Now, it will be another 10 years, and 10 years, and 10 years for the silly cr*p to be challenged. Onto the question, I am inclined to provide as many social media accounts as I can remember, IF I were to apply and such ridiculous things are not challenged already by then.

Its been there for a while. And yes, its not that difficult to get the rest of the PTC process in there, but this is NJ we are talking about. Also RPO went to NJSP and then to Court. For the regular Joe Shmo, they need to figure out a way to open that up for local PDs and then County Superior Courts, and the little paws of county prosecutor offices that injected into the process.

I am at the 40+ days as well. Since the applications are physically with PD, there is a chance they will hold it hostage, not respond to emails or calls (if it comes to that). At 55 day mark, I intend to call the County Court Clerk and request for the process to challenge PD holding the application past the law. Likely Court Clerk would not know but somebody has to know as denial appeals process was exercised by people in the past.

Appreciate if we can open separate thread for PA so people can continue to use this one for NJ PTC experience.

What town ?