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Admins, Can we lock this thread so that relevant discussions stays in the 2 threads posted?

Any update on this? Is there a solution to be able to do this?

Watch the 2nd video in that. Dude gets shot 7 times, gets back up and is able to run at cop and get a strangle hold on him. Not sure if the perp still had the knife at that point as the video ends, but if if he did, that cop would be dead. Crazy. FF to the 2min mark. All you miss in the first 2 min is that the dude has a big knife on him and keeps walking towards the officers as they retreat and completely ignores their orders.

Thanks. I assumed the duty to inform took effect immediately.

Ya don't say... Murders up in urban areas, not gun-friendly counties (msn.com)

Not quite. It's <16" with a device that has enough surface area to be shouldered. Otherwise that would make any handgun under 16" a SBR. They did say that if requires a buffer tube to cycle, that may not necessary count as surface area for shouldering, but a device attached to the tube might.

Under the new Carry Killer Bill that was passed, we now have a duty to inform (even if it is in the trunk). I am not sure if this will be challenged under the current cases under Judge Bumb. I would think that it violates your 5th amendment rights.

I think you just have to remove the brace and get rid of it. If you just have a buffer tube with nothing on it, you are OK. But if you have a pistol brace at the same location, you now violate constructive intent and could be charged as if the brace was still on it. <IANAL>

I went with this one. Has 30,000mAh. I like that the cords are built in, so can't lose them and take up less space. It also has built in wall charger which is nice for same reason. There is a 38,00mAh version without the built in wall charger but still has the built in cables. It also has solar, but I seriously doubt either could be fully charged in 2 days via solar, even the one posted above. In fact the one above says it takes 10.5s to charge when plugged in so no way it could do 2 days via solar. It probably would be good enough to keep topped off though. https://amzn.to/3klWy5T

The law specifically allows for this and mentions this specific example of unloading and loading in and around your car. In case you put the gun in the trunk, you need to be outside but around your car.

That's pretty much where I'm at as well. I'm sure it will get challenged and be un-enforceable, but I don't want to be the test case. I also want to leave my options open as much as possible.

They are saying that if it is over 26" it will be considered a rifle and not an SBR. I also think they were saying that the commenter was wrong in assuming that the 25" would not be a SBR while the 27" would. Ie, the commenter was wrong in assuming the 25" would not be a SBR. Either way, think about. If it is over 26" it will be considered a rifle? So does that mean barrel length does not matter anymore? You can have a 12.5" barrel rifle as long as it is over 26". No forward grip needed? If so then our Others are now subject to NJ rifle rules and cannot have an adjustable stock (or "brace") and cannot have a flash hider? And if so under NJ constructive intent/possession law does just removing them still make the firearm illegal?

From my understanding, You have 120 days from the time the file the rule with the Federal Registry to comply. I think the best thing to do would be to remove the brace from your Other before this rule gets filed. This way you can say that it never had a stock on it, and therefore can continue to be an Other. (The brace was not classified as a stock when it was on it). However, it looks like they may say that anything over 26" is a rifle and not a SBR, which means NJ rifle rules would now apply to Others. Not sure how that is possible since they have a barrel less than 16".

Really like this video, goes into what you need, why you need it, and where/how you should store or organize it.

Can you remove the quote from your post. I need to fix it. Thanks.

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https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/factoringcriteriaforfirearmswithattachedstabilizingbracespdf/download Search for "26 inches" The GCA uses the 26" determination, the NFA does not. I believe they are trying to just use the NFA definition. See Page 4. The NFA defines the term “firearm” differently and more narrowly than does the GCA. Under the NFA, the term “firearm” includes “a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length” and “a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length” (also known as “short-barreled rifle” as that term is defined under the GCA). 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3)–(4); 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(8). The NFA defines the term “rifle” as “a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge.” 26 U.S.C. 5845(c). The section of the NFA’s definition of “firearm” that includes a “rifle with a barrel or barrels less than 16 inches in length” and a “weapon made from a rifle” is nearly identical to the GCA’s definition of “short-barreled rifle.” Then see p113-114 Another commenter disagreed with the overall length requirement and incorrectly asserted that “if two AR-type pistols equipped with a stabilizing brace have the same weight, but one has an overall length of 24 [inches] and the other has an overall length of 27 [inches], the latter would automatically be a short-barreled rifle” Then see p122-123 The Department agrees with one commenter’s concerns regarding the outcome under the proposed Worksheet 4999 in a scenario in which two firearms with an attached “brace” device weigh the same and one is 25 inches in length and the other is 27 inches in length. The latter firearm under the worksheet would have been classified as a rifle when equipped with a “stabilizing brace,” not a short-barreled rifle as asserted by the commenter, on the basis that a firearm with an overall length exceeding 26 inches would be impractical and inaccurate to fire one handed due to the imbalance of the weapon, and thus would need to be shouldered.

It says anything with a barrel under 16" and a pistol brace is most likely a SBR. There is an example of a 25" and 27" equally configured. Still looking for parts of the document that make you think just because a firearm is over 26" a pistol brace will not be considered a stock? Look, I'd love to believe what you say. I would love to be wrong. But I'm just not seeing that and I would want to be sure.

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Quotes from the rule showing that firearms with barrels under 16" but OAL over 26" will not be considered a SBR?

Before anyone else weighs in on what they think is and is not legal now. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THESE LINKS FIRST!

Apparently anything over 26" with a brace is automatically a SBR. The worksheet just allows for some pistols to remain pistols, while everything else with a brace is now an SBR. https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/bracefinalruleguidance-non-commercial1-10/download https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/bracefinalruleguidance-commerciallypdf/download

Well shit. Most of the early posts in here did not age well. This sucks, but was a good thing we've been taken the braces off when we store our Others though. And everyone else should remove their braces before the ATF posts this to the National Register in a few days, thereby making sure their Others never had a stock on them. I guess we'll just have to start using our Others for some precision long range work on a bench and will need a tail support similar to this. https://blackcollararms.com/product/aps/

The 2 years is supposed to start the day its approved, not the day you submitted it. Those who have their sent to NJSP where the hold onto it for a few months before passing it on will lose significant time off their 2 years.

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