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I built an other from a stripped lower. I want to sell it so I can build a lightweight other. Can I sell the whole thing complete or do I have to sell it as parts minus the stripped lower? I thought I read somewhere that its kind of a grey area selling guns that you built. I want to make sure I don't run into any possible issues. Thanks.

PSA is totally out of their stripped lowers. Can you use a Complete Lower Kit if it comes with a SB3 for a Pistol to build an Other? https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-moe-ept-sba3-lower-5165448150.html

What does this mean? Examples? "so long as there is no actual purpose to use the weapon."

Given you can't conceal in NJ, why?

I mean are the effective immediately after signing or are the effective at a date in the future?

Fixed link. https://www.njcourts.gov/attorneys/assets/criminalcharges/justif005.pdf

When do these go in effect?

Harden the schools. Single point of entry, into a secured vestibule. ID checks for all those entering. Secure the classroom doors. Armed school resource officer willing to actually do their job. Security systems and surveillance systems that are secured but accessible to police. Training. But everyone seems to be ignoring the real issues. Mental health and glorifying those who commit these acts. We've had easier access to to guns of the same capabilities for over a century. The guns or access to them hasn't changed. What has changed is the amount of people prescribed drugs with suicidal and homicidal thoughts as side effects. We are the most medicated country in the world. Its rare to leave the doctors office with them offering to write you a prescription for something. My SIL is a drug rep. Its her job top influence doctors to write more prescriptions. We advertise prescription drugs to ordinary people and tell them to talk to their doctor if they want to be on it. This is backwards, you don't walk into a doctors office and say I saw a drug on TV that I think might be useful for me. You walk in, tell the doctor your problems and they should use their training and experience to prescribe the right medication for you if absolutely needed. Over 1/3 of Americans have been prescribed some form of anti-depressant. Way more than any other country. Most of the school shooters have been on some sort of drug with these negative side effects. They want to hold gun manufactures and the gun store liable when there is a shooting, but not drug manufacturers and the prescribing doctor. Unfortunately there is too much money to be lost by Big Pharma and the politicians to try to limit what drugs are sold and to whom as well as hold them responsible. Big Pharma is the largest lobbying industry, 2x bigger then the next biggest industry. Nothing is going to change until this gets the spotlight it deserves and the demand for change and reform of that industry. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/6/14/17458726/depression-drugs-suicide-side-effect https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3697/rr-4 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002271/ https://thewashingtonstandard.com/most-medicated-country-in-the-world-nearly-half-of-americans-have-taken-a-pharmaceutical-drug-within-the-last-30-days/ https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-USA-the-most-medicated-country-in-the-world-Why-do-Americans-take-more-prescription-drugs-than-anyone-else?share=1 https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/industries This person was clearly mentally ill and was looking for suicide by cop, but wanted to be famous so killed defenseless young kids. The first thing we found out was the shooters name and picture. Make it illegal to mention the shooters name or image. Deny them their infamy. When victims families haven't been notified its illegal to publish their names. We can do the same with shooters and mass murderers looking for attention and infamy. Unfortunately its not about the kids, its about power and money, so none of this will happen.

Tried out 3 recoil enabled training options for my Glock. Laser-Ammo Gen 3 Glock 17 with Green Gas (propane with oil), Laser-Ammo Gen 4 Glock 17 with CO2, and Coolfire Trainer with C02. The Laser-Ammo uses Umarex (Elite Force) Glock 17 6mm Airsoft pistols. These are Glock licensed products. Airsoft are considered toys and do not have to be registered (unlike BB guns). The frame looks and feels exactly like a real Glock. The trigger feels exactly the same. The slide is aluminum and the recoil spring is very light. This is a VERY noticeable difference to the real thing when you rack it and the reduced overall weight of the gun is also noticeable when you hold it. However when you add the steel gas magazines, the overall weight of the gun feels very similar to the real thing. The Umarex Glock 17 Gen 3 comes with a Green Gas magazine. You refill the magazine with an 8oz Green Gas bottle that costs around $15. Green Gas is basically unscented propane with oil. The oil lubes the parts and makes for less maintenance. Green Gas is also lower pressures than C02 so less and wear and tear on the gun. The downside to the lower pressures is that it has slightly less felt recoil vs CO2 which is noticeable if you try them out back to back. You probably would not notice much of a difference if it was like a day apart or something. The Umarex Glock 17 Gen 4 comes with a CO2 magazine. This is an extended grip magazine, which I did not like since I don't have any of these for my real gun. You reload the CO2 magazine with standard 12gram CO2 cartridges (about $1ea). The Umarex Gen 4 uses a dual recoil spring which seems to reduce felt recoil some . Enough that the Gen 3 with Green Gas felt fairly close to the Gen 4 with CO2. However you can use either magazine in either gun. So when using the CO2 magazine in the Gen 3, it was a little more noticeable recoil than with the Green Gas in the Gen 3. The Gen 3 with CO2 was definitely more recoil than the Gen 4 with Green Gas. Either way, its enough kick to feel it and cycle the slide properly, but not enough to really move your hand where you need to actually regain your sights for follow up shots. An issue I had was that the interface between slide and frame was not up to the same acceptable tolerance level of the real Glocks. Also with my real Glock, you have to pull the trigger before you can release the slide. With the Umarex Glocks, the trigger must be in the forward position to release the slide. Also the slide release button looks similar, but feels different when pulling it down. It requires attention and effort to pull sides of the button down evenly in order for it to release. Also on the Gen 4 I had, I there was interference with the trigger lever, preventing the slide from releasing. I ended up having to bend a piece of coat hanger and pull the trigger lever down in order to allow the slide to release on the Gen 4. Not ideal. This may have just been an issue with the one I got. The CO2 magazine lasts for around 110 shots or so. The slower you do it, the warmer the cartridge stays the more shots you get . Each cartridge costs around $1.00 so that's just under $0.01 a shot. The Green Gas magazine lasted just under 100 shots. I was unable to fill it up consistently (some times I did not insert it straight on and it would leak out the sides). I haven't gone through a whole bottle yet, but I'm told cost is similar to C02 per shot. One nice thing is that it is fairly easy and quick to refill Green Gas, where as with the CO2, you need a 6mm allen key to remove the old CO2 cartridge and install the next. Also you can top off the Green Gas at anytime, whereas with the C02, you need to wait until the cartridge is completely spent otherwise you are wasting CO2. What's nice is that if you run out of gas, you can just swap magazines, and re-rack just like you would if you ran out of ammo. Extra Magazines are around $50. I tried a flat bottom CO2 magazine and it did not seem to work on either the Gen 3 or Gen 4. You can purchase the Laser-Ammo guns for around $400, or you can buy the Umarex Airsoft Glocks for $169, and the Laser-Ammo barrel for $250. For the extra $16 you could then use the pistol for Airsoft as well if you want since it would come with the Airsoft barrel. A downside to the Umarex/Laser-Ammo recoil trainers is that if you have lights and red dot or whatever on your gun, you would have to buy them for this gun as well if you wanted to train with them. This can end up making the overall cost of the Laser-Ammo more expensive than the Coolfire. The Coolfire Laser Trainer replaces the barrel and recoil spring of your stock handgun. This is nice because it uses all of your upgrades and accessories to make the training more accurate to what you use. It uses C02 to cycle your slide and the recoil is significantly higher than the Gen 3 Umarex/Laser-Ammo Glock with CO2. It is not the same as real live fire, not even .22LR, but it is certainly a lot closer to .22LR than the Umarex/Laser Ammo trainer. It will move your hand and you will have to regain your sight picture between shots. For some reason the action seems slower than the Umarex/Laser Ammo. Its hard to describe, but it just seems like it takes longer to cycle. The regular Coolfire trainer lasts only about 15 shots before the recoil is significantly reduced and fully depleted by 20 shots. For all of the gas guns, it seems to shoot very consistent right up until the last 5 shots, and then it significantly drops off quick to the point that you would want to refill/reload as soon as it drops off. The Coolfire uses a massive 60L CO2 SodaMaker bottles which cost around $25ea. I don't know how many shots each 60L bottle lasts, but I'm pretty sure the cost per round will be cheaper than the Laser-Ammo options (ie, under $0.01 per shot). With the Coolfire trainer, you can top it off at anytime. It did however seem to leak down though. Like practically gone after 30 min. This wasn't a noticeable issue with the Umarex/Laser-Ammo magazines, however you aren't supposed to store them full though (not good for the seals). The biggest issue with all of these Recoil Laser Trainers is that the pulse of the laser lasts too long. Because of the movement of the recoil, you cannot get a single dot with the laser trainers, instead you get a vertical line 4-6" long (depends on distance to target). If you use a laser trainer app, the app cannot determine where you hit, so it is totally inconsistent. It essentially makes it very pointless to use with a laser trainer app if you care about accuracy. It's completely useless for shooting bullseye type targets, etc. If you want to use a laser training app like Mantis Laser Academy without having to manually rack the slide each time, you will probably have to go with a non-recoil enabled trigger restting option like the LaserLyte Laser Training Gun or DryFireMag auto-resetting trigger magazine and a vibration activated laser trainer.

Are you using the CoolFire with a laser trainer app? With the recoil, it makes a 4" line instead of a quick red dot, making it hard for the laser trainer app to accurately detect where I shot.

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Its great to have better options for sure. Everyone's situation will be different though and even though you think you may not need it, its good to practice different techniques so you have more tools in your toolbox so you can select the right one for the job depending on the situation. You don't want to try something out for the first time when your life depends on it. I have little kids so can't leave a loaded battle belt under the bed. I also sleep in my boxers so no pockets and a mag won't stay in the waist band if I need to run down the hall. All I need to do is grab my gun and beat the bad guys to the top of my stairs, and I'm fairly confident given the layout of my house I could safely hold them off there if I had to, but I want a 2nd mag just in case there's more than I thought. It would be a totally different story if they got to the top of the stairs before I did, so I'm not going to take the time to put anything on. Yes your shooting ability will be diminished some with a mag in your weak hand, but not as much as you think especially if you practice. Even with practice, it still will probably be diminished a little, but you should still be very effective at close range typical of inside a home.

Admin, can you delete this thread. I posted another thread with drills here:

Drill 15 Operator Readiness Drill Requires a laser trainer that does not need to be racked in between shots (unless its a pump shotgun) for both long gun and handgun. LaserLyte, Live-Ammo or Coolfire practice pistols, MantisX for AR, etc.

Drill 14 TACTICAL SHOTGUN RELOADS: There are many ways to reload a shotgun. The video below does a good job at showing them. Practice a few and see what you like and get good at it. Having a side saddle with different types of shells gives you the ability to chose the right shell (buck, slug, less than lethal, etc) for the task at hand at that moment. Learn how to load a shell from the sidesaddle while still having shells in the magazine. The exact procedure for this will vary by gun. Because shotguns have a limited ammo supply, when you aren't shooting, you're reloading!

Drill 13 HUNT PRACTICE:

Drill 12 1-5 (aka CHAOS) DRILL: Requires a laser trainer that does not need to be racked in between shots (unless its a pump shotgun). Live-Ammo or Coolfire practice pistols, MantisX for AR, etc. With 5 IDPA type targets, from ready, hit #1 then #2, then #1 then #3, then #1 then #4, then #1 then #5, then #1 then #4, then #1 then #3, then #1 then #2. then #1. Maintain sight picture, then back to ready position. Do this timed. Reload as needed. Once you got this down, add moving into position before firing, and manipulating your light. This combines almost all of the skills into one drill.

DRILL 11 DOT TORTURE PRACTICE: Requires a laser trainer that does not need to be racked in between shots (unless its a pump shotgun). Live-Ammo or Coolfire practice pistols, MantisX for AR, etc. FYI, if you do the Dot Torture drill for live fire, recommend you load up 2 mags with 5 rounds each. Since most of these drills are either 5 or 10 rounds for each iteration, it will get you used to feeling what slide lock feels like as well as give you an opportunity to also practice mag changes.

Drills 9 & 10 MOVEMENT DRILLS You can do any of the above drills, but add movement. Start 2 yards away, either behind, left, right or even in front (mix it up). Walk smoothly, trying to keep your head level and not bobbing up and down, keeping eyes and gun on target. Don't hunt through your sights though. When moving, your head moves first and your gun follows. Start slow and build speed. Crawl, walk, run. Then start further away and run into position. When running, safety is on, finger off trigger, and gun pointed in a safe direction. Work on slowing down early and getting into ready to fire position as quickly as possible. As you start to stop, your gun starts to extend aiming at target, safety comes off and you are aquiring your sights on target, so that when you come to a complete stop, you are already in a good stance, arms extended properly, good grip on gun, and gun is covering target. MOVEMENT DRILL: Using laser trainer with shot timer, stand away from shooting position but at ready (finger off trigger, safety on). Similar to BASICS PRACTICE 2, but when shot timer goes off, move into position, aim, safety off, take shot, regain sight picture, analyze shot, then back to ready position, finger off trigger, safety on, move back over. Crawl, Walk, Run. Start slow and work on perfect muscle memory, avoiding training scars. MOVEMENT W/ LIGHT MANIPULATION DRILL: Same as MOVEMENT DRILL 1, but when shot timer goes off, from ready position use flashlight to identify target, turn flashlight off, finger off trigger, safety on, move into position, aim, safety off, flashlight on, take shot, regain sight picture, analyze shot, light off and back to ready position, finger off trigger, safety on, and move back over. Moving after you turn the light off is important as your target will think you are located where they last saw the light. Don't be an easy target. Crawl, Walk, Run. Start slow and work on perfect muscle memory, avoiding training scars.

Drill 7 & 8 If you hear a bump in the night, chances are you aren't going to have time to get fully dressed and put on your battle belt with multiple mag carriers. You're probably going to grab your handgun and maybe an extra mag but have no where to put that extra mag. Here's what you do. 2 MAGAZINES PRACTICE: Place an empty magazine between the web of your pointer and middle finger of your weak hand, base in the palm of that hand with the projectiles facing your knuckles. This is similar to a "cigar hold' on a tactical flashlight. Practice shooting at target with laser trainer. Build proper muscle memory and avoid training scars. Purpose/Focus: To get used to putting 2nd magazine between fingers and still being able to get a good grip and proper shot placement. 2 MAGAZINES RELOAD DRILL: Using 2 magazines with either snap caps (no laser trainer in barrel), one magazine in gun and other magazine between web of pointer finger and middle finger, base in the palm of your hand. Practice racking, taking a shot, drop mag, insert new mag, slingshot rack, and take another shot. Maintain sight picture and analyze. Pick up mag, put between pointer and middle finger and rinse and repeat. Start slow and build speed. Crawl, Walk, Run. Build proper muscle memory and avoid training scars. To insert the 2nd magazine, drop the empty mag and bring the gun into your workspace. As you take your weak hand off the gun, start to squeeze your fingers (almost like you are trying to make a fist with the 2nd magazine still between your fingers), bringing the baseplate of the magazine closer to the palm of your hand. Start extending your index finger and grab the side of the magazine with your thumb. The magazine will now be between your thumb and middle finger, and your pointer finger indexing the side where the projectiles, are. The perfect hold for inserting the magazine into the gun. Purpose/Focus: Building on above drill, and quickly relaoding with a mag inbetween your fingers.

Drill 6 WEAPONS LIGHT PRACTICE: Add turning light on and off to the BASICS PRACTICE drill from above. Similar timing as safety manipulation. Safety off, then light on as you Aim. THEN finger on trigger and take shot. Regain sight picture and analyze. Light off, then safety off as you go back to ready position, finger off trigger. Purpose/Focus: In addition to using light to identify and analyze your target, you can use light to blind, distract, and confuse your target. Don't keep the light on all the time, which will ruin your night vision and advertise your location. You need to positively identify and analyze your target, but can also be used at the same time to buy yourself some time and a give you a tactical advantage. When you first aim, aim higher up on their body, this will allow you to identify the target and blinds them immediately before they can react, then move the light to see their hands to identify if they are a threat. This also places the gun center mass. If you can tolerate it, strobe works better to confuse and blind your threat than steady light if your light has that feature. If you have a light with laser that has a separate button for the laser, practice switching both light and laser on/off at the same time. How and why to use your light.

Drill 5 SPEED RELOAD DRILL: With snap caps in 2 magazines, practice firing a shot from ready, dropping the magazine, bring the gun into your workspace, grab the 2nd magazine between your thumb and middle finger and your index finger along the side of the magazine with the projectiles. While looking at the magwell, use your index finger to guide the magazine into the magwell, then push up hard and seat the magazine firmly with your palm. Don't be gentle. Pull the slide back to chamber a round and take another shot. You should also practice doing this by skipping the first shot and instead lock the slide back, aim, pull the trigger to feel a dead trigger and start your speed reload from there. You can also practice using your thumb to release the slide lock during a reload doing it this way.

Drill 4 BASICS PRACTICE: Use laser trainer to work on grip, stance, getting sights on target from ready position, proper sight alignment and sight picture, breathing, timing, finding the trigger wall, smooth trigger pull, proper trigger reset, getting back on target and maintaining sight picture after shot before re-racking and going back to ready position. Make sure target is at correct height so you build proper muscle memory when extending gun into position. Focus on basics, don't get sloppy, avoid training scars. This is the most important drill. If you haven't mastered this and built proper muscle memory, it will be easy to develop training scars in later drills. Almost all of the other drills build upon this drill. Take your time, do it right, start slowly and build speed, and do tons of reps. With snap caps or a laser trainer, you will have to manually rack the slide after each trigger pull. Take this opportunity to practice doing a Tap, Rack, Reassess drill when the gun goes Click instead of Bang. Please note, when you get the gun back up and operational, don't just pull the trigger. Instead, get a sight picture and Reassess if you need to pull the trigger again. Practice the habits/actions you want to do automatically in an emergency situation.

Drill 3 SLING PRACTICE: Practice taking gun out and putting sling on. Practice quickly adjusting sling, swapping shoulders. Going from admin to ready and back, etc.