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Not bad prices but if you seek out a private sale you can get below $250 and closer if not below $200.

1. Don't believe there won't be a record of what happened. Bureaucrats like all time accounted for. 2. Although there were things that may have been done differently, I really can't see what you can sue for. An easy way to see if there is something to sue for is see if you can get a lawyer to handle it for a contingency fee. If there is something there you won't have trobule finding a lawyer. If a lawyer will only do it for an hourly fee that should be telling you something.

Look around for a used S&W Model 10. Doesn't command the higher prices as most don't consider them sexy and there are plenty out there. Your budget will get you a 4" heavy barrel with a decent finish in good mechanical condition. Look for a private sale and you might find one for $100 as I did last summer. No I didn't steal it from Grandma the guy was just looking to get rid of it. Order of rarity (which affects price) is 4" heavy barrel, 4" pencil barrel, 3", 2", 6", and 5" (some will argue).

I have several of them. I got mine 15-20 yrs ago when they would give you a Solitaire free with every 4 pack of Camels.

There were several polymer tipped hollowpoints that were proclaimed NJ legal as not hollowpoints. Yes they do fit the definition you mentioned but the problem is your assessment is made with reason. There is little reason in NJ firearms law and like the AW law in NJ its all about appearance. Its the same reasoning that says a telescoping stock or flash surpressor makes a rifle more deadly.

What kind of shape is it in? I would just repair it as restoring an old gun destroys the value. For example, I have a GI 1911 that was restored. If it had been left with its original finish it would be worth $2500-3000. As its restored I'd be lucky to get $800. Collectors love that patina natural aging brings about.

Federal law is the law of the land. State laws can be more restrictive but not contrary. What you relate is an example of more restrictive as you can still get C&R firearms through FFLs. Needing a FID, matching address dl, and COE for a long gun is another. NJ could not say an out of state LEO can't carry in NJ. That would be contrary. NJ statutes provide for a means to legally own a NFA weapon. The fact no one does would have to tested in Federal courts. The difference between contrary and more restrictive isn't black and white. I'm not defending NJ as I believe a lot of it is contrary to Federal law and unconstitutional. Getting it to the courts is another thing.

If you lose your copy and the need for one arises the issuing pd has theirs on file and the NJSP enter the info on their database which can be accessed by most pds IIRC.

Just file it. There is no requirement to have a copy with the gun.

Alpo, this has been redacted to the point it looks like a creative writing exercise. Not saying it didn't happen but can't tell by what you've quoted. 1. Touche! Here's a verifiable case of someone being arrested only for hollowpoints in 2003: http://pqarchiver.nypost.com/nypost/access/344171041.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Jun+5%2C+2003&author=JAMIE+SCHRAM&pub=New+York+Post&edition=&startpage=023&desc=RAP+BIG+ARRESTED+AT+NEWARK http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=25626 The first link is for the abbreviated NY Post Archives search and the second for the full story on another forum. can't get the full story on the archive search unless you're a subscriber. This is the kind of proof I'm asking for. Interesting to note that he was checking a handgun at Newark and only charged with the hollowpoints. Qualify for the tiebreaker? 2. I am not refusing to provide evidence. I was a federal LEO working with state and local agencies on a regular basis. I would see them often charge someone when the only thing they had were hollowpoints because they had already disposed of the gun or found during a search warrant. I saw this done many times and when they stopped doing it I asked why. They told me of an AG directive to use it as an add on charge where a fireram is involved. It is unreasonable to ask me to produce evidence as: 1. I was a Fed. I did not enforce this law and never made an arrest of a violation. 2. What I relate is what state and local LEOs told me. I saw nor asked for any memo from the NJ AG. I had no need to acquire full knowledge of this law. 3. I ask for proof because I repeatedly see people post "you'll be arrested for that one hollowpoint you forgot rolling around in your trunk". There should be 100s of these arrests if this was true. This rates high among the common myths found on gun forums. I've also said that I agree with Vlad as you could be charged for that one hollowpoint. I never suggested anyone ignore the law. I'm just relating my experience in its application.

Customs and Immigration are pretty much rolled into one since DHS was formed. If you don't have a LE background (doing investigations) virtually all gun carrying jobs require a 4 year degree. I retired as a Federal LEO and I can't see how the National Guard could really be used as a stepping stone. I also had an Army career that started with active duty in 1967 (plus some other AD short tours over the years) and then the Guard and Reserve ending with retirement in 2009. The biggest difficulty I see for you is family finances when you're gone for initial entry training and any activation.

Checker is correct. It is illegal for pawn shops in NJ to deal in firearms.

They should still be good for all the reasons already said. I've fired factory ammo from the 1920s with no issues. I recently fired some ammo I loaded 35 years ago, no problems.

Alpo, if you can find a case where someone was arrested only for hollowpoints (no other charge of any kind) you've done better than anyone else. The reason I say one hollowpoint is because that's what everyone says happens. I'll accept any HP ammo charge by itself. Most criminal charges come via the County Prosecutors not the AGs office. There are reasons to charge a suspect with everything. The biggest is it gives a lot of room to plea bargain and avoid a trial. Just like they usually charge DUIs with Reckless Driving Kbased on the fact you were DUI). Plea to the DUI and they'll drop the reckless. This info I related is also at least 10-15 years as Vlad pointed out.

Alpo, none of the cases,you listed are an arrest for "one holowpoint" only. The Santana case also involved driving on the revoked list which is a MV offense one usually gets arrested for and drugs. Its not clear if the guy from Bethlehem was also charged with the hit and un. Even if I agree with you on that one that makes one case. The doctor pled out to the hollowpoint charge but had been arrested on multiple drug charges.

If you have the statutes in front of you go down to 2C:39-5d. It defines a weapon as anything capable of lethal use or inflicting serious bodily harm and requires a lawful use. You can't get by reading just some of the law.

Thanx for your input RTSP1. However there is no requirement to disclose if you have a CCW in NJ.

Thanks for the correction. I forget sometimes that the one corner of Middlesex...is actually Dunellen Don't get me wrong. I don't support their idoicy but think I understand what they did (well maybe). "M1 Carbine Type" is banned. Don't mix apples and oranges. Don't take something from the banned by name list (M1 Carbine) and compare it to the "substantially identical" evil features list. In determining if a gun is legal in NJ one has nothing to do with the other. The "M1 Carbine Type", not only covers GI, Plainfield, and Universal carbines (they are mentioned by name) but anything of similar design. For example they banned the AR15 by name. If they banned "AR15 type" there would be no ARs on the market made by anyone. A DPMS A-15 for example is not banned by name and doesn't have more than one evil feature. As I mentioned above, if its not on the list then you compare it to the substantially identical guidelines, never both. Its either on the list OR substantially identical.

Thinking that all police do is think up ways to screw people isn't indicative of anything either. I'm glad you never were screwed over by police. I can assure you all LEOs were not high school jackasses. I really can't comment on "antics" as you weren't specific enough. The "them and us" mentality is not exclusive to law enforcement. I obviously can't speak for all but you can't be a LEO unless you are willing to exert authority. That's a big part of the job. I do applaud you as you recognize there are all kinds of cops. Abuse of power? How the hell can you claim abuse of power when what I said is spelled out in the statute. Back in the 70s before there was reciprocity between all the states for unpaid tickets you had to arrest an out of state driver and have them post bond. I'm not familiar with current policies but when I worked on a police department there were specific motor vehicle violations you were expected to arrest someone for. DUI, Driving on the Revoked List, No Insurance, and others. If he or she asked if I had guns in the car, I'd tell them and take my chances with what followed. If you lie and they find out it is only normal to wonder what else you are lying about. I would not consent to a search and if asked why I would tell them "out of principle". However, as someone else asked, how many people have been asked if they had guns in the car when stopped in NJ? I've asked that question when I was working in places like AZ where people normally have guns. I've always asked that question boarding boats and in places like FL my suspicions would increase if they said they didn't have guns.

If you are familiar with the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure you are also aware that hearsay is acceptable in all stages of prosecution except the trial. There are also some instances where hearsay is admissible during the trial. Hearsay is also acceptable in developing probable cause. vlad, I don't expect anyone to do anything else than follow the law. I am posting this to explain the lack of arrests for that single hollowpoint bullet rolling around. That is also the problem with a law that is being governed by an appointed official's policy.

If you're asking me to produce documentation over 15 years old from the NJ AGs office when I was a Fed that didn't enforce that law I can't do it. This is what I had been told by the state and local guys I worked with. They had been charging people with only the hollowpoint law and then stopped doing it. The only proof I can offer is find me any cases where someone was arrested only for the hollowpoints in the past 10-15 years.

You are correct that can happen with the law as it is written. However, it was in the late 90s the NJ AG put out instriuctions not to charge with the hollowpoint charge only. This also how someone could be charged with the legendary one hollowpoint on the floor of the car. Still waiting for that case to be posted. To my knowledge the current AG has not changed the policy as far as charging someone under this law.

Please relate the last 5 times the police screwed you. I'm guessing that this was addressed to me being that 1001 is mentioned. Given the scenario you provided, I would probably spend some time checking you out. If that worked out, I could arrest you for 1001 but most likely wouldn't as there is no crime to tie the lie to, not that one is needed. I need to explain how that works and the easiest example i can think of is Martha Steward. She was under investigation for insider trading and lied to the FBI. If she had taken the fifth, that could not be used against her. But she lied. The FBI eventually developed enough info to arrest her and take her to trial, charging her with insider trading and false statement (1001). She was found not guilty of the insider trading but guilty of the false statement. If she had take the fifth during the initial questioning...she would have got off totally. She chose to lie and paid for it. There are many on this forum that know firearms law better than some cops but don't get yourself in trobule because "I don't know if the cops know the law". Those instances are few and far between otherwise we would be hearing about them here all the time.

You can do that. Having your lawyer present is a right you have if you are being investigated for a criminal violation. The cop in NJ can arrest you for any violation of Title 39 (yes you can get arrested for a red light, speeding, or parking by a fire hydrant), tow your car, and make you post bail.

If you are going to the range and are properly transporting your firearms you are commiting no crime. When you try to play games with evasive questions or taking the fifth you're making the cop think you are doing something wrong and challenging him or her to find it.