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Or, are these videos mostly troublemakers out there exercising their rights only in order to antagonize a police response by simply OC'ing where they know LE and civilians would be alarmed I think many of these people are trying to elicit a response and are looking for an argument. How many people carry around a video and/or a voice recorder on a regular basis? Some of the encounters I've seen on other forums: 1. Someone OC into a bar in PA (not illegal OC or concealed even if you're drinking). Someone at the bar calls police and they respond. The tell the OC person they have to leave. The OC responds that its legal, they are drinking cokes, the bar is not posted no carry, etc etc. The bar management isn't looking for trobule they just don't want someone OC in the bar. Not an otrageous idea. 2. The OC goes to say Wal-Mart, some patrons are alarmed. The manager asks the OC to conceal the gun or leave. Same arguments from the OC and demands to know what the store's policy is. In reality, the store doesn't care if the patrons don't. I support the 2A but if it means I'm going to lose business beacause some guy wants to OC. I will interfere with his 2A right if it means I'm losing business. 3. I read an account of a guy in TN or KY (not sure) who OC an AK pistol he had painted orange like a toy gun. This is a guy really looking for trobule AFAIC. He wondered (?) why the police stopped him. I dealt with OC both doing it myself and as a LEO in AZ in the late 70s, early 80s. OC was the only way people could carry in those days no concealed permits at all. It never was an issue for the people I dealt with if I separated them from their firearm and I never had any issues. OC was not that common in the cities at that time or in 1995 (last time I was in AZ) although you do see it sometimes.

They are not worth that much in shootable condition. A friend of mine picked one up recently for $150. I'd keep it as a wall hanger, family heirloom.

Has anyone used Unique. Is this a good starting powder in 9 mm? I do 99% of my pistol reloading with Bullseye, Unique, and W296. Bullseye and Unique work well in 9mm for me.

You talking about a NJ law? There is no law that says you have to lock up guns. There is a law that says you are guilty if you leave a firearm unsecured where a minor can get at it.

Can you even source ammo for it anymore? No original ammo is available. You can make cases from other brass (or buy them already made) but you have to convert the bolt to centerfire. You will also need to slug the bore to get what cast bullet size you need (they run .431-.432). It will cost about $150-200 for dies to do all this. It seems like a lot of work to go through for basically 45-70 ballistics. I may be able to put you in touch with someone who does this for himself and can steer you to some information sources. PM me if you're interested.

15 rds in the magazine. Bigger magazines that are permanently blocked to a capacity of 15 are legal. You cannot take possession of the magazines in NJ until they are blocked. You can do it yourself (outisde of NJ) or have them sent to a FFL (who can possess the magazines and have them blocked for you.

Do they even exist? There's an F of a lot of pressure, temp, friction, and velocity involved in .223. Not to mention an extremely small diameter bore and an elastomeric projectile. I make no claim to know even close to most things but if there were such a thing a rubber 223 bullets I'm sure I would have heard of them. Rubber bullets for crowd control are usually shot from 12 ga and (at least the ones I've seen) are like a buckshot load with larger balls. People have been killed and blinded by them so they can be categorized "as usually less than lethal".

ANYWAY, back to the discussion at hand Good idea. One issue that has not been addressed is it is much easier for the average troop to shoot the 5.56 vs the 7.62 NATO. Before I go further I need to acknowledge that the USMC has always taught Marines how to shoot their rifle. The fact is, in the Army anyway, most soldiers (including infantrymen) can't hit anything reliably past 200 meters. This goes back to at least WWII. Giving them a longer range cartridge like the 7.62 NATO is not going to change this. There has been efforts to rectify this with additional training in basic and training and equipping designated marksman. All in all, the 5.56 is a good caliber for general issue to the troops. There is evidence going back some time that lighter is considered better. The M1 carbine round has even worse ballistics than the 5.56 (about like a 357 in a carbine). Compare it to 30-06 M2 ball and its a pipsqueak cartridge. You have to remember it was adopted to replace the 1911 which, using FMJ rounds for both calibers, has better stopping power than the 30 carbine. But the 45 is much harder to hit with moreso if the range is over 25 meters or so (keep in mind we are talking the average troop). Just about anyone can put rounds from a 30 carbine center mass all day long. Use a hollowpoint or softpoint bullet and the 30 carbine is a totally different weapon. Guys who have been there told me in WWII airborne units you had a choice of a M1 Garand or M1 carbine with the additonal choice of a M1 Thompson if you were an officer or NCO. If you look at photos of Operation Market Garden (invasion of Holland) you will see a large number of paratroopers carrying M1 carbines. I understand weapon selection can be very dependent on what your job is but all of these guys knew they had to fight as infantry when they hit the ground. A lot of these guys were on their 2nd combat jump and they still chose the carbine. It was the 4th or 5th combat jump for some 82nd guys that had jumped in Sicily and Italy. Just something to consider.

Just to try to settle the issue. NAA Arms Mini Revolver, 22 LR, 40 gr at 600 fps is 31.97 ft/lbs Ruger Air Rifle, 5.1 gr (if that's correct) at 1500 fps (there are more powerful air guns) is 25.47 ft/lbs. I'm not standing in front of that.

http://www.afmo.com/Individual_First_Aid_Kit_FA102L_p/210-00055.htm I use something like this. I got used to carrying one in the Army. I modify the contents and include field dressings and blood clot. You will find one cheaper in Sportsman Guide. You may also want to bring some antivenom Where do you buy your antivenom? This is not a over the counter drug. Administering antivenom is not something for the first aider to do. There can be severe side effects (allergic reactions, cardiac arrest, etc) which can kill you if the snake bite doesn't. You need to see if the patient is allergic before administering antivenom. Liquid antivenom needs to refrigerated. I think too many people put too much in preparing for a snakebite. You just need to watch what you're doing. Most snakes will take off as long as they have a way out. My first exposure to a snake rich environment was Vietnam. Saw plenty of cobras, bamboo vipers, and other reptiles. The number of people I knew of bit by snakes was zero. I worked for two years on the Mexican Border in AZ. I lived in a National Park and the the naturalist Park Ranger told me there were 16 types of poisonous reptiles in the US and there were 13 of them living in the area. Scorpions are much more dangerous as they are harder to avoid (see). Number of snakebite victims when I was in AZ? Zero. There are about 70 people killed by lightning each year in the US vs 12 or so killed by snakebites. I have seen exactly one rattlesnake in NJ (up by Sunfish Pond) in over 50 years of living here and none in PA (even though I spent a lot of time in the woods around Indiantown Gap). Not trying to change this thread to snakebites but its really not much of an issue.

I can't understand why there are people with hundreds of Hummel figures. I know one guy who has...ready for this....about 150 chess sets! My guns are just as dangerous to upstanding citizens as Hummel figures or chess sets. I also have over 100 cameras in my collections and they never hurt anyone.

After that the government has no over sight on the company now. I wouldn't say the government has no oversight. They would have to get whatever permits the state requires for manufacturing and abide by health, safety, and labor laws. Tax incentives for the company are one reason for them to set up and stay here. Older companies like S&W, Colt, etc are where they are because they set up shop in the 1800s and NY, NJ, and New England were the manufacturing centers of the time. Raw materials, cheap hydro power (plenty of rivers), transportation centers, and cheap labor (many immigrants through Ellis Island) made these areas the logical place to set up shop back in the 1800s. I don't think Bloomberg or Chuckie Schumer care about having gun companies on their turf. Jobs are jobs and as glennp said tehy are not selling guns from the factory.

Yes except your problem would be you live in PA and I'm not sure that would fall under the exemption I can't see why it would make a difference where his home is as long as he is going from home to business. The statute doesn't say NJ home.

I would think that as long as you are the owner of the corporation that means it is your place of business. I know some people in similar situations who transport their handgun daily to their business premises from their homes (unloaded in the trunk etc). They carry their gun at work and in some cases the police are aware of this. If they were going to be arrested it would have been years ago. When I was a police officer (some time ago but same laws) we had a guy who owned a motel who open carried all the time. He was a PITA but there was nothing we could do as long as he was on his premises.

-Are there better rifles out there than the M-16/M-4? Yes. -Are these rifles such an improvement to offset the cost of upgrading? No. This is the part a lot of gun people forget. There is a lot more involved in changing calibers and/or weapons than running down to the gun shop with a wad of cash. We have forced the standard NATO round down our Allies throats since WWII. First the 30-06 M2, then 7.62 NATO, and then 5.56. We acquised to our Allies in adopting the 9mm (along with other reasons). The services have been upgarding M14s and issuing them. For a general issue weapon to the troops the M16/M4 in 5.56 is here to stay for some time.

I remember my dad telling me that the reason the M1 carbine was included in the NJAWB because of a few clowns used it in a bank robbery. Not sure if that's true. M1 carbines have been used in holdups for years (like my friend's bar back in the 70s). I think someone saw a M1A1 with folding stock and flash surpressor and said "we must include this"!

All handgun transactions for the past 20 years or so have been entered in a database by the State Police from info on their copy of the purchase permit. They do go back further than that but are incomplete for whatever reason.

I read about these all the time in gun magazines, but of course they live in states that are gun-friendly I have lived in some gun friendly states but having grown up in Elizabeth could not bring myself to leaving anything in a vehicle I would be very upset about losing. I once had someone cut the top on my Austin Healey to try to steal my AM radio, If i could bring myself to do so it would be low maintenance firearms like a 357 revolver and/or an inexepnsive 12 GA pump.

Hmmm.... L85a2 Which I'm sure they could have taken but they chose M16s. AKs would have been an option, at least they may have looked like Iraqis from a distance.

If you want a testament to the reliability and effectiveness of the M16 platform read Bravo Two Zero by Andy McNab, a SAS trooper who led a team into Iraq during Gulf War I to find SCUD missle sites. I'm sure the SAS can use whatever they want and they all used the M16. I'm sure they could have picked FALs, AKs, or whatever they wanted to take. They had a running firefight for several days and if anything was going to make the M16 fail I imagine this would. McNab never makes mention of how bad the M16 is which I'm sure he would if it was. This was 20 years ago. I'm sure the SAS doesn't have some secret in maintaining their weapons. I think most complaints about reliability are maintenance problems. When I was in I Corps in Vietnam I remember Marines getting excited when we (the Army) gave them cleaning equipment. The Marines had few cleaning rods, brushes, LSA, etc. Problems with their rifles? I'm sure if they didn't have the means to maintain them. Remember when they first issued M16s they told guys they didn't have to clean them so yes there were problems.

It seems like most of our wars and civilian saving actions are in the middle east. We need to adapt and adopt a weapon that isn't so susceptible to sand. Does this mean we need to adopt a weapon system for each environment we may encounter (jungle, arctic,etc). The M14 rusts easily and wood stocks swell in humidity. These are things the M16 doesn't do. I am not a fan of the 5.56 cartridge either. The 5.56 is no where near a long range round as the 7.62 NATO. It is adequate at ranges most engagements take place at. It is also more accurate than the 7.62x39. Yes, I know some out that that have AKs that will shoot right along with a M16 but these are not the same AKs the enemy is using which are good if they shoot 6" at 100 meters. Haji doesn't care about that. He just steps over his wounded and keeps coming. Enemies like this are not new. We have been fighting them since at least the Moros in the Phillipines, Japanese in WWII, Chinese in Korea, and NVA in Vietnam. If you ask me it is grossly under powered. It was designed for a European adversary, under European compassions in combat. The round is designed not to kill, only injure. There are thousands of dead enemy soldiers that will argue this point. "The round is designed to wound" is a myth that has been perpetuated for nearly 50 years. The 5.56 gets a lot of its stopping power from the fragmentation in the target. The threshold is about 2600-2800 fps for this to happen. When you go to the handier, shorter barrel M4 a 55 gr bullet is only doing about 2800 fps from the muzzle. Heavier bullets are slower. I've seen enemy who failed to go down after multiple hits of 7.62 NATO. Maybe we all should all carry .50 cals? There are shortcomings in any weapon system.

I remember seeing these at Navy Arms back in the 90s for $75. These were new and all matching. I'd pay $250 for one of those now.

Many of you are too young to remember the "end of america as we know it" during the Carter administration. Carter repeatedly told us we would be cold in the winter, not eat as we were accustomed to, and America was finished as we knew it. We survived that and we can survive this.

I understand many people have them and have never had an issue with them. But how many are put to the extremes of an actual combat situation? I have used M16s, ARs, and M4s since 1968 and it would still be my battle rifle of choice. I have used them in more than one "actual combat situation" and it would still be my first pick of what's available. I have used them in just about every type of environment there is. Yes it does need more attention than a M1 or M14 (another battle rifle I've used for that purpose) but in return I get lighter weight and can carry more ammo. There are other rifles that meet this criteria but most of those I've used extensively (like the AUG) I don't have to test in combat because they failed my test without going to war. As far as AKs go I feel its a good rifle for the other side to use.

There was a clarification issued by the AG that allowed Colt HBAR's and M1A's. There is no grandfathering or pre-ban / post-ban configurations in NJ. The only other rifle you could keep (as long as you registered it and belonged to a club at the time) was the M1 carbine. You are correct as its either compliant with current law or banned. No accommodation for anyone moving into the state after the ban went into effect. There is a process to get a permit to own an "assault rifle". It is the same as getting a permit for a full auto weapon and we all know how many of those are in private hands in NJ.