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They didn't say "no gov't sales". They said "will no longer sell prohibited items to government agencies and personnel in states denying civilians to own those same items. It has been and will continue to be Cheaper Than Dirt's policy not to sell prohibited items to government agencies and agents in states, counties, cities and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their citizens."

I agree, but it should be applied equally, do all companies. Not demonize companies the douche in office doesn't like, like oil companies, but give billions to phony "green companies".

According to this, NJ is one of the 38 states that have a "one-party consent law". You don't have to advise that you are recording as long as you are a party to the conversation. http://www.citmedial...d-conversations Who must give permission to record a telephone or in-person conversation? Federal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. Furthermore, if you are not a party to the conversation, a "one-party consent" law will allow you to record the conversation or phone call so long as your source consents and has full knowledge that the communication will be recorded. In addition to federal law, thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have adopted "one-party consent" laws and permit individuals to record phone calls and conversations to which they are a party or when one party to the communication consents. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on state wiretapping laws. When must you get permission from everyone involved before recording? Twelve states require the consent of every party to a phone call or conversation in order to make the recording lawful. These "two-party consent" laws have been adopted in California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington (Hawai'i is also in general a one-party state, but requires two-party consent if the recording device is installed in a private place). Although they are referred to as "two-party consent" laws, consent must be obtained from every party to a phone call or conversation if it involves more than two people. In some of these states, it might be enough if all parties to the call or conversation know that you are recording and proceed with the communication anyway, even if they do not voice explicit consent. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on specific states' wiretapping laws.

I would guess that that is their normal policy. The statement above doesn't say they will no longer sell to gov't agencies, only that they will put the same restrictions on them as are on civilians in states that put limits on civilians.

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This was very surprising: Cheaper Than Dirt Supports Citizens' 2nd Amendment Rights Recently companies such as LaRue Tactical and Olympic Arms announced they will no longer sell prohibited items to government agencies and personnel in states denying civilians to own those same items. It has been and will continue to be Cheaper Than Dirt's policy not to sell prohibited items to government agencies and agents in states, counties, cities and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their citizens. We support and encourage other companies that share in this sentiment. I guess they will just rape private citizens instead.

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-facebook-gets-an-income-tax-refund-2013-2 http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=1910aec1-e693-4a41-9bdd-f91d67e30b92 http://www.huffingto..._n_2694368.html Facebook Paid No Income Taxes In 2012: Report The Huffington Post | By Bonnie Kavoussi Posted: 02/15/2013 12:42 pm EST | Updated: 02/15/2013 1:53 pm EST While taxes rose for most Americans at the beginning of year, some big companiesapparently paid no income taxes at all, according to a recent report. Facebook paid no net corporate income taxes in the U.S. last year, according to a new report from Citizens for Tax Justice, a left-leaning research and advocacy group. Instead, Facebook will rake in $429 million in net tax refunds for the year, the report said, citing Facebook's recent annual financial report. The company earned $1.1 billion in U.S. corporate profits last year. Facebook reduced its tax burden mainly by taking advantage of the tax deductibility of executive stock options, linked to its initial public offering last year, the report said. Thanks to this one tax break, Facebook will save a total of $3.2 billion in taxes, according to the report. Facebook didn't immediately respond to an e-mailed request for comment from The Huffington Post. If the report's allegations prove true, it would be just one of many ways Facebook is cutting its tax burden. The company also paid a foreign tax rate of just 0.3 percent in 2011, according to the Guardian. Facebook is one of many big companies that's faced accusations of avoiding taxes.Thirty of America's most profitable companies -- including General Electric, Boeing and Wells Fargo -- paid no net income taxes between 2008 and 2010, according to a2011 report from Citizens for Tax Justice. President Barack Obama advocated for "getting rid of tax loopholes and deductions for the well-off and well-connected" in his State of the Union address earlier this week. After-tax corporate profits have soared since 2000, according to Commerce Department data, as corporate profits have reached record highs and corporate tax avoidance has become increasingly common. Check out this graph of after-tax corporate profits:

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I remember when the boarding of vessels off the coast of Africa by pirates, there was talk of arming these vessels, but the problem with that was most countries they visited wouldn't allow arms on board in their waters or ports. We allow that?

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Agreed, we need everyone on board. But what what we really need is to boycott the companies like Glock or HK if they won't go along. Doesn't matter if most of the big companies cut-off LE if these 2 will continue to sell. If their civilian sales drop off in protest of them doing business with anti-states, that would really hurt them. Need to push it out there on other forums to refuse to give business to those who won't support the cause, and give our business to the companies who will.

Yeah, but at least they are starting to move.

Done! I gave at the rally Friday and just gave more today. Although I have given to the NRA and SAF and still will, we need to support the local groups that are fighting right here in NJ.

Yes, PA357. That would be a great step in support of States Rights

This is NJ. Full of Democrats.

Nice! Ed, do you believe this will pass?

Nice Scott. If you can, please post it here when it's available.

Think he'll have to surrender his CCW? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/15/jesse-jackson-jr-charged-spending/

Plus they will get a $429M refund. How's your tax return looking this year? Are you a big supporter/donor of Obama?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14505-firearm-makers-boycott-anti-gun-city-and-state-governments Firearm Makers Boycott Anti-Gun City and State Governments Written by Alex Newman Liberty-minded firearm companies concerned about recent assaults on the gun rights of law-abiding citizens by Obama and others are taking action to defend the Second Amendment even if it means lost revenue, with several major firms announcing that they would no longer be supplying equipment to hostile state and local governments or their police forces. Both New York and California — where out-of-touch politicians continue to trample on citizens’ constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms — have become primary targets. Activists and the companies are urging others to join the effort against more gun control now. Among the manufacturers that have publicly announced their plans to prohibit sales to anti-Second Amendment authorities so far are LaRue Tactical, Olympic Arms, Extreme Firepower (EFI, LLC), and Barrett Firearms. All four firms, in solidarity with citizens in jurisdictions victimized by a lawless political class that refuses to uphold the Constitution, have expressed strong support for Americans’ unalienable rights. Gun rights activists nationwide rushed to celebrate the companies’ valor. If citizens cannot purchase certain guns or accessories in places such as California, Chicago, or New York, then authorities cannot either, the companies essentially announced. In a press release posted online on Tuesday praising the Constitution and Bill of Rights, Olympic Arms President Brian Schuetz urged all firearm manufacturers to join the boycott effort, saying that they should stand together to repel politicians’ hostile assaults on the rights of citizens. “Olympic Arms is a staunch believer in and defender of the Constitution of the United States, and with special attention paid to the Bill of Rights that succinctly enumerates the security of our Divinely given Rights. One of those Rights is that to Keep and Bear Arms,” Schuetz said in the statement, which was widely lauded by gun rights activists. “Olympic Arms invites all firearms manufacturers, distributors and firearms dealers to join us in this action to refuse to do business with the State of New York. We must stand together, or we shall surely fall divided.” According to the major Washington State-based gun manufacturer, which also supplies all branches of the U.S. armed forces, legislation passed in New York purporting to outlaw AR15s and a wide range of other firearms is unconstitutional. The so-called “NY SAFE Act” — a bill that has sparked what analysts say may be the largest act of civil disobedience in state history, with potentially tens of thousands of citizens or more refusing to comply — also ignores recent Supreme Court rulings, the company said. Due to the passing of the unconstitutional legislation, the company announced that the State of New York, law enforcement departments, police officers, state government entities, and all government employees in the state would no longer be served as customers. “In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York — henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people,” the press release explained. Schuetz also said that if the political class was willing to limit the gun rights of free and law-abiding citizens of New York in spite of the Second Amendment, lawmakers and government entities in New York should have to abide by the same restrictions. There is also a deeply troubling moral element to the state government’s latest assault on the rights of law-abiding citizens, which are enshrined in the state Constitution using language even stronger — “cannot be infringed” — than that found in the Second Amendment. “This action has caused a division of the people into classes: Those the government deems valuable enough to protect with modern firearms, and those whose lives have been deemed as having less value, and whom the government has decided do not deserve the right to protect themselves with the same firearms,” Schuetz said. “Olympic Arms will not support such behavior or policy against any citizen of this great nation.” Another major, respected firm that joined in the effort to rein in lawless politicians’ assaults on the right to keep and bear arms isLaRue Tactical, which manufactures a broad range of parts and firearm accessories. In a press release posted over the weekend, the Texas-based firm — described by analysts as “a company of patriots” — also announced that it would apply all state and local restrictions imposed on the rights of citizens to the governments and agencies imposing the unconstitutional infringements. “Due to the recent and numerous new Anti-gun/Anti-2nd Amendment laws passed and/or pending across our country, LaRue Tactical has been forced to reconsider how we provide products to state and local agencies,” company chief Mark LaRue said in the statement. “Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tactical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement/ government agencies.” LaRue also noted that it takes seriously the constitutionally guaranteed rights of citizens, as well as the efforts of state and local officials to restrict those rights. “We realize this effort will have an impact on this firm’s sales — and have decided the lost sales are less danger to this firm than potential lawsuits from erroneous shipments generated by something as simple as human error,” the statement concluded. While the loss of revenue from the move may be significant, gun rights activists have showered the company with applause for its courageous stand — and some commentators expect the bold move to earn new customers for the firm that could minimize the financial impact. Activists, meanwhile, are urging gun rights supporters to contact other firearm manufacturers that do still sell to New York government agencies and encourage them to take a similar stand. “The Second Amendment has always had fair-weather friends. LaRue Tactical, manufacturers of firearms and firearm accessories, is one company that will never be accused of being our fair-weather friend,” noted the liberty-minded Grass Roots North Carolina organization in a statement praising the move and identifying companies such as Glock, Smith & Wesson, and SIG Sauer that should join the effort. “Will other firearm manufacturers have the guts to stand up like LaRue and Barrett do?” Another company that has joined the effort to defend the Second Amendment, Extreme Firepower (EFI, LLC), recently updated the government-sales policies on its website to explain its restrictions on selling to anti-gun rights authorities. Announcing the move on Facebook in January, the firm encouraged people to support boycotting sales to towns, counties, states, and even the federal government if they refuse to respect the right to keep and bear arms. It also warned other manufacturers that they may face boycotts themselves if they put profits over citizens’ rights. “The Federal Government and several states have enacted gun control laws that restrict the public from owning and possessing certain types of firearms. Law-enforcement agencies are typically exempt from these restrictions,” the firm notes on its website. “EFI, LLC does not recognize law-enforcement exemptions to local, state, and federal gun control laws. If a product that we manufacture is not legal for a private citizen to own in a jurisdiction, we will not sell that product to a law-enforcement agency in that jurisdiction.” California is specifically mentioned on the policy page, with EFI stating that it will not, “under any circumstances,” sell its products to law enforcement or state agencies until the legislature repeals its unconstitutional gun control laws. Other governments prohibited from purchasing the firm’s reputable equipment include New York State as well as the City of Chicago and Washington, D.C. — jurisdictions with among the most draconian infringements on the rights of law-abiding citizens. The recent surge in companies refusing to do business with lawless governments hostile to citizens’ rights may have been partly inspired by Ronnie Barrett, owner and CEO of Barrett Firearms Manufacturing. His company, which produces among the most popular .50-caliber weapons in the world, refused to sell the firearms to officials or agencies in California after lawmakers there some years ago banned civilian ownership of the high-caliber guns. “It's hard to believe we live in such a dark time that someone has actually banned a single shot rifle. But as you will see, this is the cleverest of all gun bans, and the end goal is civilian disarmament, the confiscation of your tools of liberty, your rifles,” the respected CEO wrote in a piece at the time explaining his company’s boycott. “Barrett cannot legally sell any of its products to lawbreakers. Therefore, since California's passing of AB50, the state is not in compliance with the US Constitution's 2nd and 14th Amendments, and we will not sell nor service any of our products to any government agency of the State of California.” Gun rights activists celebrated the decisions of the four companies to stand up for the rights of Americans. Analysts expect more firms to stand up soon, noting that otherwise, gun owners may choose to purchase from other manufacturers in the future. Across America, state governments, sheriffs, and even some city and county governments are working hard to protect the right to keep and bear arms regardless of any unconstitutional federal “laws” or edicts from President Obama to the contrary. Activists say it is time for all gun makers to join the effort or potentially face a boycott themselves. Alex Newman is a correspondent for The New American, covering economics, politics, and more. He can be reached [email protected].

Agreed Bob, but it's crazy where many Dems in this country are looking to do.

LOL. Thanks Ray. I was going to say that too, but didn't want to kick the kid.