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$450 at impact guns but not in stock. So... $280-350 for any other model. Stock is $70. The scope mount is $10-20 depending on what you snag. Black A&B barrel $90. Caldwell bipod $35. So yeah, pretty hard to meet the package pricing on that.

Dude. The people calling for more gun control almost NEVER understand what the current set of laws were. If I had the money, I'd fund a poll whereby I would ask that question, then present a list of proposed legislation and ask them if they believe it is more strict, less strict, or equivalent to current legislation. I have yet to talk to a single anti that has a realistic notion of what current laws are. The preceding statement has applied for the last 25 years or so. This time we have 54-57% uninformed idiots. In the 90s, we had damn near 70% uninformed idiots. I don't care if they are idiots, it's about the proportion of prevailing opinions, and in that regard we have only stepped back to the dark ages of 2005-2007.

$0.60 a round for 147 grain surplus or equivalent blasting ammo? It's in the neighborhood of what I have seen the last year. $530-640 for 1000 depending on what it is. Anything remotely nice has been over $0.80 a round, closer to a buck a round.

Do I think you have a responsibility as a gun owner to take that into consideration? Definitely. IMO as a gun owner, your firearms should be under your immediate control, or locked up. By immediate control, I mean that you are capable of interfering in anyone messing with your gun in less time than it would take to make it ready to fire. However, I do not see any meaningful way to legislate that that is actually done. In the case of having a mentally ill person in your home, even locked up may not be sufficient if the person with an issue could have unsupervised access to the safe for durations long enough to compromise it.

Wilson makes overpriced stuff, but they usually don't make crap.

Maybe it's the use of 'twas the night before christmas thing. Makes it seem like a parody, and in poor taste IMO. Or maybe it's the way it seems like it says hey all you kids who didn't get gunned down, sucks to be you. It seems like it's selling the lighter side of mass murder rather than trying to be comforting, and is pretty disgusting. The religious content barely matters, it's really just the context for the horrible presentation.

You could ask to register them all you wanted. Getting into the registry was about as easy as getting a carry permit from what I understand.

You think anything going on is going to change the outcome of a carry case in NJ? No. Not even at the circuit level. The poltics are pretty entrenched.

It's a game changer. Because according to polls one by CBS, the other by ABC, 54% and 57% call for stricter gun control. Pol conducted 12-14 to 12-16 of this month. This is pretty much in line with answers for that poll form 2000-2008. It is significantly lower than polling for that question from 1990-2000 for which the lowest response was 62% and the highest over 70%. THe only thing watershed about opinions on this is the degree of spin.

Sit down and be quiet and don't think mean thoughts unless they are directed at white privilege?

When and with which phone? There was a period with the 4 and 4s where they all became broken due to enahncements in the OS for sound clarity. In theory newer versions of some of the shot timer apps now cope with that better.

Why wouldn't hey ban high cap mags? I'm not being defeatist, but they aren't clearly protected under the two SCOTUS rulings, they have done it before, and it has some relevance to the tragedy they are currently exploiting. I don't see what would prevent them form being on the table. An AWB could be forced to court for arguing common use. I'd argue why we went form seeing nearly zero uses of semi-auto rifles in crimes to seeing them in highly publicized crimes is ebcause they have become in common use.

To have no grandfathering, they woudl have to invoke the taking clause. This would require compensation at market value. Even if they fudged as they usually do and came up with an average of $400 a gun, it'd still be a pretty penny for something that matched the NJ AWB definition, not to mention something more extensive.

I would boycott CTD if it weren't for the fact that I never stopped boycotting them. Their business practices suck.

Officially, they are waiting until the funerals are over. To do what, who knows.

Quad rotors are much more stable than a helicopter.

For dry fire practice the ced8000 is the most featurific. The 7000 is a close second. The reality is my pocket pro ii is what gets used the most because it is capable, sturdy, and all it's features are easily accessible compared to the ced.

If structured like the 94 ban, no. They would have to be documented as assembled into an assault weapon prior to the effective date of the ban. Per ban uppers could be purchased, but if assembled onto anything not a rifle prior to the effective date, it was breaking the law.

Eh if they pass it, I'll switch from my reusable bags to just ordering the plastic ones by the case, then stop reusing them and recycling them. Mostly use reusable bags, but occasionally deliberately don't because I reuse them for tons of stuff. Or heck, I wonder how many you can cram in a tube the size of a 12oz can. Repurpose some old vending machines and park them out front of supermarkets.

For a hundred rounds fired, with relatively slow mag changes it would have slowed him down maybe a minute, minute and a half tops. Capacity limits are feel good bs. Doesn't mean they won't go for them. The reality is if you give someone 5-10 minutes to do what they want, they can off a lot of people. Making ammo exceptionally expensive would be a defacto ban and challengeable in court.As far as Obama doing something. Executive branch COULD dump money into putting armed guards in every school.

It doesn't spam you. Haven't gotten a single piece of mail from then outside of account change notices.

You know, because this might give them some info they don't have on you from when you bought a gun in NJ.

Hey you left out doing all that with rabid reporters swarming over everything trying to make more news out of anything they could. It's not like the press didn't get there for a couple of days. Or evne the local LEOs. I mean heck they must all hate gun owners so much they were willing to let 20 kids get murdered to show them.. Seriously, some people. I thiik we are on the same page about this bit Nick.

Man, you guys are defeatist. Ok, my perspective on this. Yes, we are going to have to fight that fight for the bajillionth time. Welcome to being the group someone is trying to oppress, get used to it. Even if we get all the favorable court rulings in the world, this will be the situation. Deal with it. However, there are fundamental processes in effect for what this issue can turn into. There's a reason the battle cry for the antis had been we must do SOMETHING rather than anything specific. Proposing a return to the national 55mph speed limit to prevent this tragedy isn't really something that could ever possibly have traction. I know that is an absurd example, but less absurd is the example of proposing we close the black powder loophole to prevent another tragedy of this type. The black powder loophole is actually something the antis have on their agenda, and is not something that will be proposed because it also simply makes no sense, not just logically, but on the basic level of being emotionally pleasing. They have to come up with something that is emotionally pleasing. Why do they have to come up with something emotionally pleasing? Well because gun control is not an issue that people get out and vote for. The anti cause is something that only gets consistently backed as an issue by a very small number of ideologues. Gun control IS something people get out and vote against. Why is this? Because of the monkeysphere. The short explanation of that is you can only really care in detail about a relatively small number of people. Google it for a more thorough explanation. People get upset about it when it is the 24-7 newscycle becuase they project the issue onto the people they know. There will be no trial, without a copycat or two, this thing will not be the major headline in a month because it will have gone form sensational to boring dissection of reports. We'll be talking about a missing hot blonde, who's banging whom or divorcing whom, or even just making way for sweeps and an infinite supply of american idol so that people can erroneously believe that the thing relevant to their monkeysphere is celebrity. THe president said it was ok to kill toddlers in the middle east as part of day to day business. The gun owners are the only ones making a stink at the moment, and that is largely because it is convenient, not because we know dead afghanis as people and grieve for them in our day to day lives. The RKBA crowd gets out there and votes because the legislation will affect them directly, a monkeysphere size of one. This will not turn a red state blue or a blue state red, especially not so over the long term. The biggest threat would be the GOP throwing gun owners under the bus to get their wishlist for the fiscal cliff BS. The only issue with that is all the chatter has any gun control bill showing up in the new session, not the old session, so there is no forced urgency, which is half of why you would give something up easily. So what this means is that the threat isn't about a wave of consensus, but rather back and forth between lobbyists and politicians, and what will be at risk are things that "so you are pro school shooting" can be used as a threat and carry any weight. Magazine capacity limitations are probably on the table. They aren't clearly protected in cases to date. Logically irrelevant, but emotionally appealing. However there is an existing huge supply and a manufacturing infrastructure preceding any effective date. Short of drafting ex post facto legislation, you will still have a huge flood. Revisions to NICS are on the table, especially since the NRA was willing to give ground previously if they thought they were getting something. Depending on the revision proposed it might even be relevant to this instance. An example of something I see being hard to fight would be delivering states free bags of money to get into compliance on mental health records reporting and ongoing sums to remain compliant, and funding it by increasing the excise tax on firearms. Face to face transfers could be on the table as one could argue that prohibited persons are a much higher risk for illegal sales across state lines, however it would have changed this event not one bit. Today I heard some vague crap about "exceptionally deadly" special bullets used. We'll see if they actually mean something other than a rifle round. But this is another area not clearly protected that can be fought emotionally rather than logically. Or if he was running around with a bunch of already discontinued zombie max ammo. IF we are lucky, maybe it will just be extreme shock ammo and we can stop listening to idiots pushing magic bullets and just wind up listening to people complain about bogus ammo nobody should care about.

To be honest they occupy a really strange are in the regulations. Sensible people know they are legal because they are manufactured, sold, purchased and used with law enforcement and BATFE perfectly aware of such and nobody seems concerned. Once you get to the point of knowing a lot of the regulations and ask how they are legal, the answer gets a bit confusing. Cause the answer is that it's not a rifle... it's smooth bore. It's not a shotgun, it is not transferred as one, and isn't to be transferred as one... It's not transferable to someone under 21, but it's not a handgun... It's not a shotgun, and not a handgun, thus the minimum barrel length should be 16 inches, but the BATFE says do NOT shorten it beyond 18 inches. When trying to explain what a pistol gripped shotgun actually IS, they refer to the definition for an AOW, but their actions tell you it cannot be a title II weapon. Even they clearly say that it is not a title II AOW unless you conceal it, but they note that any weapon made form a rifle or shotgun that you can conceal can be determined to be a title II AOW even if it has a longer than 16"/18" barrel. However they let mossberg make and sell a pistol gripped 500 with a 17" and change barrel rather than an 18" + barrel at some point, don't care to round them up, and when queried about it have said they are title I firearms. So I can see why someone might be confused once you step beyond the empirical evidence that mossberg is licensed ot make them, distributes them to non class 3 dealers, thos non class 3 dealers sell them, and people buy them, and at no point is anyone in that chain hassled about their licensing nor arrested, nor doing anything in secret, so it must be legal.