rauchman

I have 2 G19's (Gen2 & Gen3) amongst other Glocks, an M&P40 w/ M&P9 barrel and 15rnd mags, and M&P45 Fullsize and have shot the M&P9C. I've learned to like the M&P's ergo's (didn't like them at 1st and also relieve the area under the trigger guard) and really like the recoil characteristics. The M&P's in all calibers are very very tame in the recoil department. The M&P's come up to line of sight very nicely also. Accuracy on my M&P 40/9 is so-so in 9MM, but since it's a conversion, I'm not expecting bullseye accuracy. Accuracy in the .40 & .45 is very good. I DO NOT like that the rear sight must be removed to access the firing pin safety on the M&P. Overall, I think the M&P is not too bad to work on, but I think the Glock is still superior in its mechanical simplicity. In my mind though, I still prefer the G19. I still think it is the perfect modern 9mm. I also shoot it pretty well, can get 2nd shots off quickly and reasonably accurately, and it's reliable assuming one sticks to Glock mags and a parts/spring replacement every 5K cycles or so. I specifically say cycles and not rounds since I dry fire a shit load w/ my G19's. I really don't like that I have to replace trigger components on the M&P to get a decent trigger. While I prefer replacing the ridged trigger on a G19 w/ the non-ridged trigger of a G17, it's not mandatory. The Glock trigger out of the box is pretty good. Someone mentioned mag availability is a concern on the M&P's. I agree. My buddy recently got an M&P9 and M&P22. He's been relatively unsuccessful in getting mags for his pistols. AIM currently has Glock mags at about $24. All in all, while I like the M&P's, to me they are a series of pistols that are "almosts". S&W almost made this a great pistol....almost. Whereas the Glocks are what they are, but they work and work well. Some people say, as I used to, that the Glock shape doesn't fit the hand well. I've firmly moved to the camp of, one can learn any pattern pistol to a high degree of skill. For me, Glocks took more focus/time to learn, but it was worth it.

I was there for the 1st time about 3 weeks ago. As mentioned, the staff was very professional and courteous. Selection of firearms for sale was pretty extensive. Best selection of AR's I've seen in NJ. Like the fact that they rent and may take advantage of that at a later date. Thought ammo pricing for non-members was very expensive. The range itself was very cool and high tech. I'd go back.

Nice pistol. Congrats. Very overlooked pistol. A coworker that I got into shooting, picked one up as her 1st pistol. I've shot it a bit and it's very accurate w/ a great DA/SA trigger. I personally find the ergo's a little weird, but all in all, a nice pistol.

Greetings. Although trying to find anything right now is next to impossible, I purchased a few M&P9 15rnd mags from http://www.gandrtactical.com. I can't recommend them enough. Excellent CS and very very good pricing. I paid $27/each, while S&W wanted $42/each. These are pre CT shooting prices and have no idea what the current prices are. Good luck!

Wasn't there some kind of recall on the Caracals?

Signed both.

I thought this was going to be about rare 9mm's like the Steyr GB

For the barrel, I would go with http://www.fulton-armory.com/barrelfa16m4gicontourcm1x9threadedchromelined-1.aspx. Fulton Armory also carries A1 stocks and related parts. Good resource for AR related parts.

Congrats!

While I have not shot a Gen4 G34, I have a Gen2 G17, have shot a Gen3 G34, and recently shot a Gen4 G17. The one time I shot the G34 was a rental in Tuscon, AZ. I remember thinking it felt like driving a Corvette w/ only 6 cyclinders working. Maybe the pistol needed a little TLC but the recoil felt really slow. I know some people LOVE them, but for whatever reason, it didn't do "it" for me. I'd be curious to shoot a Gen4 version as the recoil impulse would likely feel more precision and less sloppy. I understand the G34 is the # 1 gun used in competition. OTOH, I've fallen in love w/ the Gen4 G17. Makes my Gen2 seem archaic and sloppy in comparison. Trigger was really nice for a Glock trigger.

I have one on a 16" midlength. Has less muzzle flash than having nothing on the end of the barrel. Was happy to see that it wasn't any louder than a non muzzle deviced barrel. Muzzle rise was slightly abated as well.

Excellent to hear your pistol is running well. How do you like it? Have you fired earlier generations of G17, or other Glocks, and how do you find they compare?

While the Glock trigger is..... an acquired taste, I find that they do have very positive attributes. The 1st time I shot a Glock was a Gen2 G23 in the early/mid 90's and DID NOT like it. I was coming from a Beretta 92FS and Sig P226. Quite a difference in trigger feel. I've learned to appreciate the Glock trigger for what it is though. So far, the best triggers I've found on a polymer pistol Striker Fired = Walther PPQ DA/SA = Sig P2022 Have not handled/shot a broken in Steyr.

Greetings all, Was at Bullet Hole 2 weekends ago doing some pistol shooting. I had a Gen2 G17, Sig P226 9mm (yes, of course the older all German w/ folded sheet metal slide) and an M&P40 using an M&P 9mm barrel and mag. A couple of guys in the port next to me were shooting their new Gen4 G17's. They were kind enough to let me shoot a few rounds through it and I really thought it was a noticeable difference for the better as compared to my old G17. I'm giving thought to selling off my Gen2 for a Gen4, but have heard numerous horror stores related to 9mm Gen4 Glocks. Anyone have any time on the Gen4 G17? Preferably w/ higher round counts as I understand the potential Gen4 9mm Glock problems tend to show up after 2000 or so rounds. Gotta say, assuming reliability is equal to the older ones, Glock really did a nice job w/ the Gen4. Recoil impulse is noticeably different. The pulse is quicker but softer and overall the pistol feels like it's more precision in all its movements. I can't prove it, but I do think they are a bit more mechanically accurate as well. Also, with the new frame w/out backstrap attached, I found I'm not getting as much lateral wobble in my sight picture as compared to the older model.

As mentioned in my 1st reply, get something used. It opens more doors as to what you'll be able to afford. Roughy 1/2 of the 20 pistols I own, I bought used. You're making me want to play Fallout New Vegas again!!!

+1!!!

Good choice on the Sigs. I, as well as 4 friends of mine, have the P226. One of the best examples of a DA/SA metal frame fullsize handgun. Really accurate and very eay to control. My cousin has a 9mm P229 that I've fired a couple of times. Really really nice pistol, and very accurate. My buddy has 8 P-series Sigs. Just some advice,... don't rule out the P228's. One of Sig's best models. Sig are some of the easiest pistols to shoot accurately. They also have excellent mechanical accuracy for a service pistol. As a couple of people have already mentioned, if you can, start getting mags now. Just one cautionary note ( and I sometimes wonder if this gets too overblown on the web), is try to stick to pre 2005 Sigs as those guns have a better reliability track record. The 1911 in 9mm sounds great, but, I may be very wrong on this, I get the impression 9mm in a 1911 is a less than perfect combination. I've read a few accounts of less than stellar reliability in this setup. Just about every negative review I've read centers around magazine problems. AFAIK, there is no "standard" on 9mm 1911 mags. Don't get me wrong, I think a 9mm 1911 would be very desirable in that recoil would be next to nothing and there is no trigger in any handgun I know of that could be turned into a more amazing trigger, than a 1911.

I see I'm not the only one! Yup, like you, outside of scratching the itch once in a while, the DA/SA's barely get used anymore. I understand the newest production M&P's have better triggers and tighter barrel lockup on the 9mm's for better accuracy. Seriously toying w/ getting rid of some of my inventory that hardly ever gets shot, and getting another M&P, or 2, or more. Also have an M&P45 that shoots pretty nicely. My Glocks are getting nervous.

Excellent choice! Walther makes a great handgun that, for whatever reason, never gets the popularity of other makes. I have a PPQ and a P5. Outstanding pistols. Congrats!

Excellent! Curious, do you have to keep the gun stock or can the Apex sear/trigger parts be installed? I found the Apex sear made a difference. Anyway, stay safe!

I didn't see it mentioned, but is it 9mm? A friend of mine got one not too long ago and he loves it. Congrats!

Going, and have gotten 4 other people to go!

Totally agree with you. It's ashame that LEO's don't get more support for shooting. If I was carrying a gun for a living and heading into harms way, I'd want to be the best shooter I could possibly be. I can't say I know many LEO's, but outside of a few exceptions, of the one's I've met, none were what I'd call gun people. I take it from your other post that you're an LEO? If so, do you carry the M&P40? Gotta say, especially in the .40, the M&P is a great pistol. Stay safe!

Just called and s/w Aggie (very nice woman). She asked what count I lived in (Bergen) and said she would pass along the info to the state Senate. Highly encourge you all to call!!! Calling friends now to get them to call.

2nd M&P9. After all, 2 is 1 and 1 is none.