ben

Does anyone know of or has tried filing a suit against the State of New Jersey for infringement of the Constitution? Of course, I'm talking about the right to bear arms. If not, I would love to get together with fellow citizens and possibly file a class-action suit and see where it goes. Any legal experts see the viability of such action?

Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone.

Definitely trying to do the same: a week or two off in August. A mix of natural beauty and city enjoyment is pretty much what I'm looking to do. Might just head down to Mexico.

Just looking to have a good time, outside of the country for a while.

Looking to take a trip to anywhere. Anyone have suggestions?

The question goes deeper than that. Can a business post the following rules without running afoul of the government? No Blacks Allowed No Women Allowed No Democrats Allowed Muslims will not be served. Service will be refused to anyone over 6' tall The Blind will not be served here Of course not... they would be publicly flogged, and rightfully so. We have a long way to go before the discrimination against legal CCW ends, but gov't does interfere in business affairs all the time, sometimes it's bad interference, and sometimes not. A world without rules isn't a Utopia, it's a Dystopia, where anarchy rules. Until civil rights laws extend to CCW (probably never), restaurants and other businesses can do what they want, make whatever restrictions they choose, and your only recourse is to go somewhere else, or picket in front of the place, as is your right. K You're really comparing apples to oranges here. These are the types of arguments that I would hear all the time from the right. Comparing racial discrimination to CCW discrimination is completely baseless. If we were to petition for CCW in NJ and cited racial discrimination as the basis for requested legislation, we would never be taken seriously.

Restricting CCW in a business is absolutely legitimate. As in, government should not be able to interfere in personal/business affairs on private property. I agree, positives always outweigh the negatives.

I can definitely see how the "antis" could use a similar argument. All I'm saying is this should have been a non-issue. I don't see the need for Arizona to put this issue into the national spotlight. To give my 2 cents on how I would have handled it, I would have left it up to the business owner to restrict firearms on their property, if they were so inclined, PERIOD. Whenever there is an issue where two parties don't agree, especially 2d Amendment or CCW, one side cannot get everything they want. Unfortunately, the only way to find some form of arbitration is through compromise. We can shout rhetoric all we want, but that will get us nowhere. I would love to exercise the 2d Amendment Right as intended by our forefathers, but times have changed, politically. I find it unfortunate that proponents of CCW and the 2d Amendment, WHICH I AM, always set ourselves up for failure, then complain about it when things don't go our way, i.e. a drunken fool with an itchy trigger finger. Obviously I do not think they should do away with police departments because of a few idiots. I'm not suggesting they get rid of CCW licenses because of a few idiots either.

The law doesnt allow DRINKING while CCW, it allows a person who is carrying to enter an establishment, such as a Restaurant that serves alcohol. Think of it this way, in Az you could NOT CCW if you were going out to dinner with your wife if the restaurant even only served Wine, you could not go to a Friday's, Houlihan's, or Chili's type restaurant, EVEN IF YOU NEVER WENT NEAR THE BAR. This redaction to the law removes that prohibition, while retaining the one that says you cannot CCW if you are CONSUMING alcohol. I realize this. If practicality and common sense prevailed, there would be no need for discussion. Unfortunately, this country is full of jack-asses. All it takes is one person to become drunk and have a negligent discharge. The media would grossly exaggerate all details and citizens on the fence of 2d Amendment Rights might starting leaning towards the restriction of said rights. Certainly, I agree with tbtrout in that people should be held personally responsible for their f*ckups. But that's not the world we live in. The actions of one could affect an entire demographic.

If one were to build a rifle, modular or otherwise, what can be shipped to a residence? From what I understand, the lower receiver needs to be transferred to an FFL. What about barrels, uppers, stocks?

I personally don't agree with this. It would be nice if all citizens were responsible firearm handlers. All it takes is one drunken idiot to ruin it for everyone.

Ben, how long did it take to get it from date of order to receiving date? Did you order from a vendor or direct from Milt Sparks website? And there's the problem. I ordered directly from Milt Sparks near the beginning of February. You can check Top Guns Supply, http://www.topgunsupply.com/holsters-milt-sparks/. If they don't have in stock, put yourself on their mailing list. They'll notify you as soon as they come in and you can order and receive within a week.

Damn. It's been a couple of months at the least. Still waiting on my purchase permits. Anyone remember it being this long after already holding a FID?

Just got my Versa Max II in the mail. Even better than the one I remember handling in the past. Really holds tight against the body. No visible printing. Too bad I can't ever use it in NJ.

Anyone have an opinion on it? Interested in an LWRC.

My 2 cents.... Check out Milt Sparks. Versa Max is great.

If you can find it, go to a range with steel targets and bring a friend with a stopwatch. Spend some time shooting groups until you get around a quarter size. Time yourself on drawing from a holster to impact on target afterward. That's how I would spend my time at a range before coming to NJ. A lot of places don't allow you to practice drawing from a holster. I think Bullethole might if you clear it with the ROs first. This is all for practical/home defense training of course.

IMHO, I would definitely use a cheaper model for home defense, as long as it is reliable. What's wrong with the Glock? Besides a wheel gun, I would consider that more of a nightstand gun than something you meticulously maintain. Like Ron Popeil, set it and forget it. Bottom line, I prefer something that can take a beating and function.

I'm trying to explain to a friend of mine that dry firing a weapon does NOT damage it. I realize there are a certain FEW which dry firing is not recommended due to design, but for the most part I would spend countless hours dry firing centerfire pistols for practice. The veterans on this forum know all too well what I'm talking about. Where do these rumors come from?

Ugh... You said clips.

so riddle me this Batman: what is it that is always coming, but never arrives? Ah. Classic riddle. The answer is of course, tomorrow.

I am Batman.

We simply have to ignore these types. They will never be converted to the other side of things. Just like none of us would be converted into hugging trees and giving up our guns. What we all should be concentrating on is talking to people who are on the fence of the 2nd Amendment issue or who simply don't care. If we can get their support, we can all really change the backwards gun laws in NJ.

For those who are LE/Military/NRA Instructors, link to the discount application form... http://www.lasermax.com/training/le/pdf/law_enforcement_military_nra_instructor_discount_form.pdf

Wasn't aware of that. So obtaining a C&R is impossible in NJ? Or can one obtain one through BATF and purchase any C&R pistols in conjunction with NJ pistol purchase permits?