KpdPipes

There's the kicker..the so-called "Blast" Tear gas and OC 37mm rounds are acceptable under the statute, because they arent projetiles, they just shoot a big cloud out of the muzzle. Once you get into the "Ferret, Barrier Penetrating, Triple-Chaser" or other Gas Projectiles then you fall into destructive device range. Even though the gas projos are not ment to strike the bad guy, they are still AP rounds.

The BEST place to ask questions about this stuff is Grog's Forum. http://www.freewebs.com/grog/

Those are fine Ted.. that Particular combination is about $500 IIRC it looks like a Bates and Dittus.. VERY High Quality, but also high priced. If you shop around you can find an old Federal Signal 37mm single shot for a lot cheaper..not as High-speed tactical, but does the same job..

40mm Barrels are rifled, which is why they are automatically DD's

I Gave FAR more breaks to Joe and Jane Citizen during my career than to other cops..or firefighters, or Docs, Nirses, EMT's Servicemen.......

if it was a "grenade launcher" than you would not be able to possess any 37mm laumcher in ANY form in this state.....whether it is attached to a rifle or not. It's a Flare Launcher pure and simple.

it's Legal...Dumb, and utterly Useless, but Legal. It is a Flare Projector, not a "Grenade Launcher" As far as Tear gas rounds, yes, they are available, however, since they are "Antipersonnel" munitions, your Flare Projector is now a Destructive Device if you possess them both at the same time, and a Violation of the National Firearms Act.

I think the "months' part comes from their pretty much 100% Focus on OEM Issues. they're a small agency to begin with. Right now just the day-to-day work of getting things back to normal is the priority

that was the take I got. According to the Capt i spoke to who's a friend, they lose EVERY paper record that was on the first floor of the building. So far they dont have ANY state computer access set up, and when they do it's going to be limited, so no background checks for a while either.

I realize that, and you're probably right. This is definitly one of the times i wish Lt Schuleter was still running the FIU..he was reasonable, and would have recognized the larger problem here with so many departments that are affected. The guy in there now?? I dont know..IIRC he was the one that went running to the AG over Schuleter's Carbine Letter.

Take your anti-cop crap to another thread..the adults are talking here skippy.

It is what it is..but i'd be in the EXACT same place if i had put my permit app in 29 days before the storm. The problem here is this falls into a seeming regulatory gap. the default answer is "Local PD must issue the permits" the Local PD is not a factor, because they physically CANT issue any permits, they have no facilities, and every person on the dept, including the civilian secretary who handles records and permits in totally involved with OEM stuff. the questio is if the State Police will step in and handle it until KPD (And the rest of them who are in the same boat) are back up and running again.

I'll just drop this off here... 2C:20-6: Theft of Property, lost, Mislaid, or DELIVERED BY MISTAKE (my emphasis) A person who comes into control of property of another that he knows to have been lost, mislaid, or delivered under a mistake as to the nature or amount of the property or the identity of the recipient is guilty of theft if, knowing the identity of the owner and with purpose to deprive said owner thereof, he converts the property to his own use. L.1978, c. 95, s. 2C:20-6, eff. Sept. 1, 1979.

I applied for several permits from the local PD back in August. Normal time is 7-8 weeks wait. Between family issues and a few other higher priority things going on I didnt get a chance to check on my permits until the week before the storm. The lady who handles permits was on bereavement leave. NOT a problem, I understand that. A few days later the storm hits, and the PD is effectively destroyed. paper records are trashed, and most likely all of their computers are as well. Pretty much knowing the answer I was going to get I checked with them a few days ago, and had my fears confirmed..so, it's going to be months before they even begin taking new permit applications, and the permit app already in the pipeline is effectively Null and Void. I called NJSP Firearms unit today, and explained my problem to the secretary there, and at least she was Honest enough to tell me she didnt have a clue of what i should do, and also understood that this problem is going to escalate considering how many PD's are in the same shape as Keansburg's. Unfortunately all of the FIU Troopers are assigned to other duties relating to the storm right now and she was holding the fort alone. She said that they should be back in the office next week, So I'll try then. Hopefully they can come up with a solution, such as the local NJSP barracks handling it. I'll let you guys know what happens. ***NOTE*** this is NOT a Knock on Keansburg's PD..they have MUCH more important things to worry about right now than permits, with their HQ gone, and a significant portion of the town devastated by the storm.

The Feds dont consider M-16 BCGs to be a factor, but that particular state does. they dont allow possession of ANY M-16 FCP I believe. much like here in NJ Black powder and Bb guns are "Firearms" by State law, but BATFE does NOT consider them "Firearms"

there are no FFL's in DC AFAIK other than One guy, who holds the Sole FFL so DC can say thay have one. However he's a Gun Control Freak who wont sell any guns IIRC. it's complicated

Ayup but it doesnt do SH*T for a Domestic Beef......as more than a few NYPD guys have found out, nevermind their Administrative charges additionally for living in NJ.

Chicago just did the exact same thing, and Jesse Jackson Jr is under indictment even as he won his re-election.

I think your definition of the word "Luck" it a little off there.

Paul, I thought the price pointing on the UTS was about double that of the KSG...

John, someone could come up with pics of him snoring a line of coke off a dead hooker's a$$ and they wouldnt impeach him

There are dozens of other FFL's out there.....you can find one that treats you and your dad better than CMO. Nice Rifle though

Thing is, a TRUE "Flash Hider" served one purpose..to allow the shooter to use his firearm at night without Blinding HIMSELF..... the Grabbers took the adjective "Hider" to mean "Hiding the flash from others to shoot from stealth" Not the first time people whore legislation without knowing WTF they were speaking of, and it wont be the last.

ANJRPC is the spogesorg for NRA in NJ..they and SAF have been behind several lawsuits to try and change things here.

What EXACTLY has GOA managed to accomplish, legislatively???