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I was thinking HK UMP

Ill reweld my steel target by the next class

GAPP will be offering an AR beginners course on August 7, 2011 at Fort Dix Range 14. This course is the NRA First steps rifle course (specifically for the AR rifle platform). It is designed to introduce the new AR-15 owner to their rifle properly and safely. The classroom portion covers the history of the platform, disassembly, reassembly, cleaning, and aftermarket accessories... as well as the laws regarding rifles of this type. Several models are available to look at and will be used for demonstration in the classroom... and one can be provided for use on the range if you dont own an AR yet and just want to learn how to shoot one. After lunch, we head out to the range and zero your rifle... and see if you can hit a steel plate at 200 yards. The course length is approximately 6 hours and the cost is $175. If youre a new AR owner or if you've had one sitting in your safe for a while, come out and learn more about it. For registration info, go to www.gappnj.com and look at our upcoming courses. The class size is limited and two are signed up already so register soon.

What if you get into an accident? Lets say you're injured and need medical attention. Through no fault of your own, now your vehicle is towed and you have first responders searching your vehicle... and now they find your loaded mags, unlocked gun case, ammunition stored in the same container as the gun, etc. Call me paraniod but IMHO, an ounce of prevention is worth the ton of cure your going to need to get you through the legal nightmare you could face.

I have seen a big jump in first time gun owners getting training. I think the majority of the veteran gun owners (for lack of a better term) have themselves pretty squared away. Personally, because of the political climate, have been buying high cap mags (and storing them out of state) and ammunition.

I would never let go one of my "clunckers" for something like this. It just fuels the gun grabbers and gives them momentum in their quest to get the rest of them.

I have had the same conversation with Evan. The way the laws are written in NJ (the existing gray area and the way they are interpretted) and the chance of running into an uninformed LEO, I would rather error on the side of caution. It may be overkill but if you follow the law of safe passage, you cant go wrong. Look at safe passage provision

Thanks for the plug smoothie. My class does offer the FL and UT permits but I have VA permits on hand and with the extra prints and passport photos I give you, you can apply for that one too. Im in the process of having my class approved by CT to fill thier training requirement also. If you're interested in the course, check out www.gappnj.com

Joe, great to hear you enjoyed the class.

I just put another course on my site... August 7 at Fort Dix.

Just updated my site and the AR course scheduled for August 7 is now listed.

Get your high capacity mags now folks... and keep them out of state ofcourse

Mark, Thanks for clearing that up. I still believe, however, you can expect to write a pretty hefty check for your legal defense in NJ regardless of what the statute says (if not a criminal case, definately a civil case). The lawyers and LEO I deal with for classes all agree any self defense incident in NJ will be treated initially as a homicide... and depending on the actions of the home owner and the intentions of the police and prosecuting attorney, may continue to be treated as such. With the convoluted laws in NJ, a PA is more likely to let the courts decide a home owners innocence rather than take that burden upon themselves. That being said, I think we can agree, if it came to it, a responsible citizen can use lethal force to defend themselves or their family... even in NJ... but I think you should expect to and be prepared to defend yourself legally.

Thanks for posting the specific statute. I have read (and had a lawyer read in my presence many times in class) the NJ laws regarding justifiable homicide. I wouldnt consider the above statute a "castle doctrine." The difference (as I understand it) is a true castle doctrine not only allows for legal self defense inside a home (and in some states anyplace legally occupied) but also for protection against civil litigation that may follow. Can someone please clarify?

If possible, be on the phone with a 911 operator when number 1 happens. Your verbal warning to "GET OUT, I HAVE A GUN" being recorded, the fear and urgency in your voice, and being locked in your saferoom when the bad guy came in to get you can all go a long way in a court. As for the order you have listed above... number 2 should be moved to the last place. Yes NJ laws are complicated and often not in favor of legal home defense... but dont give the police, a prosecuting attorney, or a jury in a civil case any reason to suspect there was anything other than self defense involved. And for the record, NJ doenst have a weak castle doctrine... they have NO castle doctrine.

Seats are still available for this class. Anyone interested, check out my webpage... www.gappnj.com

Sorry for the late reply... Ive been coming up with a date for the course and wanted to be sure before I posted it up. I will be running this class again August 7th at Fort Dix Range 14. If you're interested, check out my webpage, the course will be posted there in the next few days.

I appreciate the review... and Im glad you enjoyed the class!!

Good read... thanks

GAPP has another CCW class coming up. This one will be held at Buckeye Gun Club in Barnegat, NJ.... so all of you South Jersey shooters interested in CCW should consider coming to the class. The last class we ran at Buckeyed filled up pretty quick so dont wait to register. Florida and Utah are the most sought after permits in the nation because they are the most widely recognized. We provide all services necessary to get a concealed carry permit in both UT and FL including the applications, envelopes, passport photos, finger prints, notary seal, and UT CFP instructor seal... pretty much one stop shopping to get your CCW in multiple states. We also help you fill in the application so it wont be returned for being completed improperly. For a full course description, registration information, and other class dates, go to www.gappnj.com.

We had a pretty good class yesterday. I know a few members of this sight have been to my UT/FL CCW class and I would love to hear your feedback. So either send me a PM or post up here if you have anything to say.

Glad to hear it, Ill see you there.

I talked to both my attorney buddies... and they had different takes from each other but both agreed on one thing, the Philidelphia law is ultimately going to be overturned in the courts... but it will take intervention by the state (injunction saying the law is invalid) or a court case (either lawsuit or criminal case). But the named states dont do much to protect a person carrying on the street... but could do something to protect them in the courts... but at that point, the law will be overturned anyway. I wouldnt want to be the test criminal case that overturns the law however... so Ill instruct my students accordingly. Thanks for the research Bob.

Bob is correct, any NRA course will fill the requirement. Just an FYI, I also offer a CCW application course where you can get your prints, passport photos, etc all in one shot.

It may come down to me shipping it but if I'm going to do that, I may was well send it to the manufacturer. But if I talk to them and dont like what I hear, Ill get the contact info from you. Thanks for the help