DirtyDigz

You are not obligated to leave your home in a self-defense situation.

I thought about this when a buyback was held near me. As far as I can figure: - The buyer is legally in the clear as long as he has his FID on him, only buys long guns that are legal in NJ and the transaction doesn't take place on space where firearms are prohibited (school property etc.) - The seller is in the clear if they also have FID along with the rest of the conditions listed above. However, I think chances are good that sellers coming to these events will not have FID. If the seller doesn't have an FID, they would technically be outside of the exemptions for long guns and subject to charges if caught possessing the weapon prior to the paperwork/transfer being completed.

One retailer I know that will sell to NJ is: http://www.bulletproofme.com

According to NJ law "civvies" can own and wear body armor. If you are wearing it during the commission of a crime then it is an extra charge. I believe it is a federal law that no one convicted of a violent crime can own body armor. Some retailers choose to restrict their sales to LEO/MIL/GOV only, but that's the retailer's policy, not NJ law.

Not to derail the thread, but it's my understanding that Olofson's case was harmed much more by the fact that his rifle could empty a magazine with one trigger pull (when tested by the ATF and using a specific kind of ammo with a very sensitive primer) than the fact his lower had a full-auto marking.

Thank you kindly for the heads up on this - I'm eligible for the program. I tried several years ago to take advantage of it via Lawmen's Supply but could never get their full cooperation, I'm guessing because I wasn't current/ex LEO. I understand you don't have any 19's in stock under this program, but could they be ordered with the program pricing?

Relevant to discussion: http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/index.html - test on drywall penetration with a mix of handgun, shotgun and rifle ammo. Executive summary: .223/5.56 soft point ammo for the "less penetration win".

I detect a distinct absence of handguns...

What type of guns did you own?

British couple finds old ammo scattered in the backyard and pond of their rented house, lose their wigs and the authorities go into full CSI-mode: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2350657/Couple-discover-7-500-machine-gun-shotgun-pistol-bullets-garden-weeding-pond.html#ixzz2XlBZfdRe

Hasn't happened to me yet, but not for lack of opportunities on UPS's part. I've had some retailers ship ammo that was simply the factory carton, labeled as to manufacturer, caliber and quantity, with a shipping label slapped on. I've had other retailers send ammo re-packed in a non-descript box, but lacking any padding so the ammo inside wore through the box in places and anyone handling the box could see what was inside.

Reinforced door frames and deadbolts and either steel or solid wood (no hollow core) doors that can not be simply kicked in. This repels "casual" intruders and delays intruders determined enough to bring and use use tools. If there are glass patio doors/french doors/large windows at ground level that could conceivably be used to enter then they should have security film applied.

PMC Ammunition X-TAC 5.56mm NATO 55gr FMJ 1000rd Case - $524.95 shipped (free shipping orders over $90) http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/PMC_Ammunition_X_TAC_5_56mm_NATO_55gr_FMJ_1000rd_p/amu-pmxp193-case.htm?CartID=1 PMC Ammunition X-TAC 5.56mm NATO 62gr GREEN TIP 1000rd Case - $574.95 shipped http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/PMC_Ammunition_X_TAC_5_56mm_NATO_62gr_GREEN_TIP_10_p/amu-pmc556kcase.htm

So a Massachusetts agency can serve an injunction on a Georgia company? I highly doubt it. More likely the Mass. A.G. sent some very mean sounding letters.

Anyone heard of a retailer who has been threatened with a lawsuit by NJ?

Touchy a bit? I was not attempting to impart an opinion on whether PMC bronze was good or bad, just trying to help "flesh out" the deal so peeps knew what ammo was being sold at that price. I appreciate every ammo deal you've shared, and have benefited from a couple. I hope you'll continue to post them.

The $265/1K ammo is PMC bronze.

Anyone can file a lawsuit against anyone else for anything, but not every lawsuit has a chance of being successful. I have yet to see an example of NJ filing a lawsuit against an out-of-state ammunition retailer for not collecting FID information, let alone *winning* such a lawsuit.

Gotta shut this rumor down before it goes further: Here's the deal - if you're *SUBJECT TO NEW JERSEY LAW* (meaning you're physically in the state of New Jersey), then it is illegal for you to either sell handgun ammunition to someone who doesn't either have a FID card or a Pistol Purchase Permit or to *RECEIVE* handgun ammunition if you don't have a FID card or Pistol Purchase Permit. Bulkammo.com ships from Georgia (at least they did for my last order), so I assume they're located in Georgia. As a retailer in Georgia, they are subject to Georgia and Federal law, but not New Jersey law. If bulkammo.com ships handgun ammo to someone in NJ who doesn't have a FID, bulkammo.com has not broken any law that they are subject to. However, the person who *RECEIVES* the handgun ammo in NJ will have broken a law if they don't have a FID card or a Pistol Purchase Permit at the time they receive the ammo from bulkammo. What bulkammo.com is doing by requiring evidence of FID possession before shipping handgun ammo is attempting to ensure that their NJ customers are not breaking NJ law. However, they are doing that by choice - Bulkammo.com is *NOT* obligated to follow NJ law, and could choose not to require evidence of FID. Said another way - ammo retailers in states outside of NJ are *NOT* breaking NJ law if they don't require evidence of FID (or Pistol Purchase Permit). A NJ agency could try to bring suit against them, but the Georgia judge (or whatever other jurisdiction outside of NJ the retailer might be in) should dismiss the suit because they are not subject to this NJ law. Those ammo retailers outside of NJ that do require FID's are attempting to make sure their NJ customers are not breaking NJ law.

Thanks for sharing Bravozulu, and sending out mental thanks to the victim for sharing that video. I work and live in the area as well and it's true and concur with earlier posters - all the high net worth communities that are immediately off of Rt. 24/Rt. 78 are vulnerable to this. I've even picked up some banged up LEO's as a volunteer EMT in my town after they played bumper cars with an auto theft gang. I detest the Short Hills mall but am occasionally dragged there by the GF; I'm always in condition yellow at that place, and always park in the garage where the only exit is a slow corkscrew ramp out.

Excellent-glad to see someone step up against this.

Noted BLF - anyone else have a similar or opposite experience with Sportsman's guide? Want to know if this is a new policy for them or just an individual screw-up on one order. Added LAX ammunition.

I'll earmark it for you. PM me and we'll discuss meetup options.

Order placed. 2 - me 2 - mikeyjones 1 - lowslowmiata 1 - dbldune109 1 - extra, available as of this writing (dimitrge?)

Last call for Morristown area peeps, going to place the order shortly.