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So how does Mr. Twyne recover damages for this?

I’m much less worried about supply - growing season is coming, NJ isn’t the desert, Etc. More concerned with private distribution. I think the economy fallout will be that some do wel and others don’t. Par for the course. The Cheesecake Factory revenue will probably drop. The Chinese food and Pizza parlor down the street will probably do great. Companies that produce stuff will still have to. Life does go on despite the doom and gloom. At least until the Nuclear reactors melt down. And even then most likely. Let’s face it. Everyone is reliant on revenue and payroll. Companies will want to continue producing and making money, people have to pay their mortgages. Even the federal government, who can and does just print money, will want “real” revenue. Any office jobs and stuff that can be done remotely will be so. Limitation of congregation is the key, so any food processing or manufacture that has large numbers of people may have to reduce staff and production (note, that’s not the pizza place or Chinese restaurant with three employees). The challenge will be how stores allow access and transactions. i was down in the Virgin Islands after Irma and after Maria. That’s a good microcosm because they were limited in anything from the outside world for a while. It remained orderly. We were safe. There was no power and there were curfews. Distribution of what was there and what slowly trickled in was the problem. The Home Depot had major mold issues and people couldn’t go in. They had to ask for items and be served, old school style. I suspect we may see that at the local shop rites and wegmans. Government mandated limitations on travel and congregation. Limited people allowed in, or nobody allowed in - place your order and pay, someone hands items and you leave. So getting some stuff might be slow. The other wild card is how the internet and networks hold up. I’d suspect many places will go to online ordering, slow processing with minimal staff, online payments, and get to a place at a prescribed time to pick up your stuff. Will be curious to see how ups deals with this. That’s an important cog as well as the ups man doesn’t necessarily face or touch many people, but gets a lot of stuff to a lot of people.

+10000

How long between criminal histor check complete and approval for established people? Does approval lie with the state, local CLEO, or local agent? After approval they still need to type out the items and get them signed, right?

No idea how liberal or anti 2A NJ was back in 1947... But I’d think back then it was a good state to live in - prosperity, industry, and an ideal location. I’d assume back then better heads prevailed?

That’s similar to my curiosity posted yesterday. That said, I’m not so sure he was carrying if he was heading from work to home - believe that carrying a firearm from one location to another is legit. It’s not like he was shopping in the mall. Of course it wasn’t unloaded in the trunk, and one thing leads to another... but are the ramifications of incorrectly transporting the same as other actions with a firearm? He could have turned himself in, been in the wrong, and then had the HP “add on”. Pure speculation at this point. Ridiculous all the same. These laws weren’t intended for this person, even if they were written in bad faith to harm 2A. And that amplifies the stupidity of the whole thing.

That’s how I learned about it. I donated because I feel for this guy. This guy has a job and is screwed, even if just for a while. And that’s absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps there’s some claimed “legitimacy” to the cop’s decision (I haven’t seen the full list of charges is one correct inline with the NJ statues?) - I cant find it as I understand this person possessed the bullets due to being in direct transit from work to domecile with authorized possession at both. But I hope regardless this brings focus on the idiocy of the laws, and, results in significant compensation to this person. If not financially independent he’s probably more scared than anything.

The employment verification is just silly. Totally ridiculous.

Thanks. It’s auto generated from the FARS system, like the other ones? Or does it actually come from the locals?

Curious what you mean by “approved”. Does this mean the gate where the criminal history check is completed, or is there some other gate? Who has the authority to approve you? Signature authority is with the PD chief, my understanding is that the local agent who handles permits has to fill/type them in before signature. Just trying to understand the gates/timeline between receiving notice of completion of the criminal history check and the receipt of permits.

+1. Love is a strong word, but the bay and meadows smell like home.

I just did a few. I went to my PD to sign the 066 mental health form in person. I paid $6 for three permits (mine won’t sign more than that with extensions). Then I went into FARS, entered all the info, and at the end had to pay a fee for the mental health check. It was like $18 plus a $3 processing fee or something like that. Paid to the state. It’s been a few years for me as well regarding permits, but going online to pay the mental health check has been the case for a long while now.

Location?

PA would be fine, DE as well. The challenge really is that once you’re much south of Easton/Allentown PA, there’s not much hope. Philly has sprawl, and either there’s the city, or Chester, or Wilmington. Getting west of that is a far worse hassle than driving anyplace in NJ IMO. Philly would be reasonable for me, but RE has gone way up. You can find stand-alone garages in Kensington for somewhat reasonable pricing, but it’s the city, it’s Kensington, and the space is limiting. The other side to this is that it has to be a reasonable distance if used for hobbies. Otherwise one will never use it. To drive two hours round trip to go mess around on some projects for a couple hours is hardly worth it. All that said, these aren’t readily listed or easily found properties. Any leads I’d appreciate folks letting me know. Simple, cheap, low tax of course are the key attributes

You realize that zoning is applied everywhere across the COUNTRY, generally - at least in relatively inhabited places? I have a friend in rural Indiana that had challenges. It’s not just NJ. That said, it would be interesting to know if there are any unincorporated areas in NJ that are actually accessible by roads and do not have zoning ordinances - are develop at will so long as state DEP and whatever else is satisfied.

Like many small suburban NJ towns, space is at a premium and expensive. But since we live in a small state, and more rural land isn’t that far away, I’m looking to get more room for hobbies like cars, woodworking, etc. (not necessarily shooting but that would be an added plus). Since this is a site of primarily NJ folks, I’m hoping for some insight. Target area is 295-55-40 triangle, though I’d consider something close to wildwood/cape may , or if affordable, around 16w on the turnpike (less ideal but I know the area well). i know every town zones differently, and zoning officers can be lax or sticklers. But I’m looking for essentially a pole barn, big garage,,or standalone warehouse just to get more room. 1000-1500sf would be ideal. I don’t want to move, and don’t want to babysit property, so I really want a standalone no frills garage. I don’t need a storefront, office, or even a bathroom. Water would be nice but more to wash cars than anything else. The challenge is that this seems like an impossible ask. On residential land it seems impossible to get a sizable structure, at least to construct as new, because it’s an accessory structure and needs to have a residence associated. Usually that residence construction needs to be permitted before the accessory building too. There are places where garages exist (eg where a house burned down), but my experience is that towns want a CO for a residence and garage, and so if one goes and uses the garage, they’re in violation without having at least active construction occurring. Ag land seems plausible, but Qfarm ratings require 5 Acres. So I’m sort of at a loss. I see properties like I want, not many for sale. I don’t really want a real warehouse, at least not one in an industrial park, because I don’t want HOA type fees for upkeep. Any recommendations on how to find, and what to ask for in trying to get to yes with zoning in NJ towns? If it becomes too expensive it would be worth renting, don’t want to outlay hundreds of thousands of dollars I think that a reasonable “barn” as I’d like can be achieved for around $30k plus the land, but it’s gettting approved to do this that is the issue Recommendations? Thanks!

My PD requires mental health form done in person, and meeting with the agent before starting in FARS. Haven’t tried it yet.

This. But I can’t say that I feel for the business. As a taxpayer I fee this case is waste, fraud and abuse. Especially after finding the shop is not selling them. But NJ isn’t the first place with mag restrictions. And a business selling interstate should know better. We could argue that the item is legal in 4x states. But it’s not 50, that’s pretty much common knowledge, like it or not... and Im pretty sure “not knowing the law” is never a sufficient excuse, in guns or any other area of discussion.

The chief can give a 90 day extension, no? So doesn’t seem sensible. I thought the extension was at their discretion, so I’d think they could give you 90 days extension, permits are valid to the statutory length, and it’s effectively the same as denying an extension. So what am I missing? Don’t think the hold and deny concept holds water. Totally ridiculous that they have such a backlog. I thought the law said 30 days? To admit they’re back in September admits that they’re in violation. Sounds ripe for an NJ2AS stakeout...

Sure. I’m looking right at the NJSP form STS-033, which was the application for FPID and/or handgun purchase permit. Line 29 specifically states: “(29) Names, Addresses and Telephone Numbers of two reputable persons who are presently acquainted with the applicant, other than relatives:” Pretty clear to me, regardless of legality. If that clause was removed from the online documents, that’s great.

This is interesting. I’ve never seen indication that family is OK. I thought the old paper/pdf forms specifically restricted that in fact. Generally seems to me that family is who you want to be asking, since this isn’t a straw purchase and they would have reason to be most familiar. Anyone have a screenshot or indication that family members are now ok?

I’d tend to agree; the concept that “there’s no such thing as a dumb question” may apply here, and thus they need to ask the questions all the same to justify a ruling based upon weak or unacceptable basis. The challenge to that is that my take aways were that the city got rid of the law, and the state apparently set forth a law that prevented cities from enacting similar regulations going forward. If my take-away is accurate, then there is an intrinsic limitation on the ability of the city to escape on mootness and then re-apply the law at a later time, which to me is a concern. The state law prevents it, and thus it would also have to be overturned. Stranger things have happened of course, and I have no doubt that the city was in kahoots with the state when the new law was written. But it does create the potential of mootness based not upon the city’s actions, but the interlock that “assures” reoccurrence. If determined to be moot based upon that premise, it does create a higher standard, even if that standard is fragile.

Anyone know of any of the above in stock/for sale in the vicinity?

That’s part of the reason why I feel like it would be best to let this person attend. Denial means it’s spun into someone being “against” hearing another viewpoint (which of course is a key hypocrisy of the left). Allowance means thanks, now go away is the outcome, for the exact reason you mention, and everyone “had their say”.

Totally agree. But the court could say that after giving him ten minutes to describe his months of analysis... and then say “thanks, we’ll take that into consideration”. My concern is that some whiners cry foul. I couldn’t really care less about the person’s analysis, as I think I have developed my own opinion of what is meant by the 2A by the framers, and in Heller, and I assume the Justices have as well.