DevsAdvocate

Now that's just not right. Isn't there some thing that prevents the gov't from depriving you of your property? Once it is used as evidence, it should be returned.

I was curious about this as well...

Firearms Guild has one right now. It's a beauty... used, all black with rubber grips. ~$550. I would've picked it up today if I had a PP and money burning a hole in my pocket. It's very sweet.

The ACLU is anti-gun? Really? I may hate and mock them occasionally, but they do stand up for people's constitutional rights. http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp? ... menu1362_2

Hope it happens after a Republican wins the election and puts conservative judges on the state supreme court. Maybe then some of the whacky laws can be declared unconstitutional.

Hearing this story makes me want to keep a firearm with access on the outside of my house. In this news item, having that loaded 870 Tactical in the closet with a light on it meant nothing if you walk into and ambush in your own home.

I love how the glock feels in my hand. But my 1911 is the best fit ever.

I hate them. Give me one week, and I might be able to kill a few thousand of them. But I would also need lots of ammo, grenades, and possibly a tactical nuclear weapon... maybe.

NJ.com does a good job as well for major crimes. Ideally, it would be nice to have a running list of home invasions, etc. Especially crime where having a firearm may have helped, or was used.

Can we make a sticky for violent crime in NJ... primarily home invasions?

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/0 ... invad.html "Salem police charge teens with invading home, holding family at gunpoint-- SALEM -- Police arrested five teenage boys for invading a city home and stealing electronics equipment while holding the family at gunpoint, a report in Today's Sunbeam said. According to the report, the teens face first-degree charges that include a state statute aimed at cracking down on illegal gang activity. Police told Today's Sunbeam they suspect the boys to be members of a Salem gang called the Mid-Town Mafia, or MTM. The teens were arrested after police pulled over the boys for not having headlights on, the report said." More.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/0 ... d_sou.html "Police said four masked men invaded a South Brunswick home Tuesday, taking valuables while holding the homeowner and housekeeper at gunpoint, a report in MyCentralJersey.com said. According to the report, the armed men first came in the Harmony Lane house and held up the housekeeper, police said. The homeowner walked in during the robbery, and was then also held at gunpoint while the robbers finished raiding the house, the report said. " Even if the homeowner was a gun owner, the lack of CCW meant he was entirely helpless in this situation.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/0 ... .html#more "Two men seen driving in a florist van forced their way into a Hanover home tonight and assaulted the woman they found inside, authorities said." They can't believe it happened in a neighborhood like theirs...

Never shoot a man in the back. Maybe the leg or something...

I agree with you, my house and my car are two different categories. I disagree ,that

Paintball is all about maneuver warfare and teamwork. Most realistic engagements are below 100 feet. Your gun may hit somewhat accurately out to 60-70 feet.

At the end of all of this I agree with you on the fundamentals. I wish there was something in place that allowed a homeowner to protect his/her family without the worry of the legal issues to follow. A Burglar once inside my house should have no rights, not to sue, not to live. Not saying I am going to go chase them down, or shoot as they open the door, but if I wake up to someone walking around my house I should have the right to end it right there without the worry about what will follow in the courts!! Exactly, that is the point I was trying to make. Without such legislation, you are at the mercy of your town police and local courts and their interpretation of your actions.

I'm just trying to say, that without established guidelines for home defense, it's all open to argument. Other states with established Castle Defense are a bit more "friendly" to those who defend themselves. In NJ... you can be crucified for one mistake. (If you kept a loaded weapon in a house full of kids, if you didn't issue a warning loud enough, etc.) Homeowners need to be protected. People who willingly enter a private premises without permission do not.

What does it mean? And how does it affect the performance of the round? What is the difference between a 115gr, 124gr, and 147gr 9mm round?

That whole situation you described sounds very excessive. Shooting upon entry seems to be a bit simpler and safer. Again... the situation is really dependent on the scenario. Hence the need an established rule of law that is simply this: If you enter my home without permission, all bets are off. Another scenario: Let's say I catch someone in my driveway trying to steal my car? Can I run out and point my gun at him or shoot him to prevent escape? He is intruding on private property and trying to steal said property... Nickjc, I know you are trying to help, and I agree with your assessment, but it seems that right now, there is no real adequate means of defending yourself without severe repercussion. What if that person you beat with a club sues you for damages and healthcare costs? What if you kill him, and his family sues you for lost wages?

Yeah... I gotta put money aside before buying. I try and save 75% of the cost of the gun in cash before buying one. It keeps my spending habits honest. :mrgreen:

The recoil is more than manageable.....and not bad at all... It is a fine rifle and shoot very straight... As stated I might have one for sale shortly...as an aside what is Cabelas in PA asking $$ for it.... They were asking around $1750 for it. With 2 10rnd mags.

Sounds like I may need to start an M1A fund... 8-)

Actually... does anyone have a scout squad I can shoot to try it out?

I think the issue here is that it varies from investigator to investigator. Here in NJ, we have no clear cut rules on HD. What if I shoot someone who is breaking into my home? Can they sue me? Where can I make my stand? Can I shoot them where they're entering? Or do I have to corner myself and wait there? What if I shoot them and they were only halfway into my house when I did? What if I did not yell a verbal command to stop? Can I "arrest" the person? What if he runs, or disobeys my commands to 'freeze'? Can I shoot him? How do I know he isn't armed and seeking cover? Maybe he has a toy gun? Too much ambiguity.