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I was speaking to a friend yesterday and he mentioned the waiting period for a pistol permit is 90 days or longer.The police chief mentioned they are swamped with hundreds and hundreds of permit requests. Is this a story to limit permits or are others finding this to be the case?

I used to have a wired Napco security system with a local alarm monitoring when I lived in NJ. When we moved into our new home I researched the heck out of all these "all in one" packages. All I have to say is ....... RIP OFF! ADT and 3 or 4 others all promised free installation which included a $1200 system @ $40 per month. Well, that $1200 system included one keypad, 2 sensors and one motion. I started researching and there is a lot of good systems but I ended up with a wireless Alexor DSC. I wanted this system because of the hidden "brain" that I can hide away from the keypads. I got a pretty good deal with 2-keypads, 2-motions, 10-window/door magnets (sensors), main controller, etc for about $525. I also use "Safe mart" for monitoring. They set up my system and monitor for $10 per month. So far I triggered my alarm system 4 times (on purpose) and they called back with in 30 seconds. It took me a total of 3.5 hrs or so to pull all items from the box, set everything up and then run it for about a week before monitoring. The hardest part was setting up the zones, but once you read up and figure it out after the first few, it flies bye pretty quick. I've had it for 7 months and it's been rock solid so far. Has battery back up,etc.

http://forum.pafoa.org/pennsylvania-10/197003-harrisburg-23-jan-2013-1100-start.html Updated Friday 01/04/13 - There will be a rally in Harrisburg on January 23, 2013 which will occur at the Capitol building and surrounding area. This is occurring on the same day as CeaseFire PA plans to amass at the Capitol to promote their agenda of 'reasonable' gun control ( https://www.facebook.com/events/535161183175503/ ), which is nothing but unreasonable demands aimed at full control. WE NEED YOU THERE TO SHOW SUPPORT OF OUR 2A RIGHTS!! This rally is being promoted as the Pennsylvania Responsible Citizens March. While specifics are still being finalized at this moment, the latest updated information for the event will be posted here. For those that can offer help in the planning and execution of this event, shoot PreserveandProtect a PM and you can be included on his discussion link. The purpose of this march is to: 1) Reinforce the fact that responsible and ordinary citizens own and carry firearms, 2) Dispel the myth that gun owners are bad people, 3) Show solidarity and organization of Pro-2A citizens in an effort to prevent hostile gun restrictions and laws. WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS, we are the law-abiding citizens who understand the meaning and purpose of the Second Amendment, and are responsible in our efforts to abide by it. Our voices must be heard over those calling for knee-jerk reactive measures that will only punish the lawful citizens. We grieve over the sensless loss of innocent lives taken by a madman, and our focus is to not just maintain but foster our abilities to counter such evil. Please join us in this effort, and enlist as many of like-minded friends and family as you can get. Some preliminary info: - BE PROFESSIONAL in appearance and actions.. This includes style of clothing and language on signs, ie no profanity or obscene/provocative statements. - The majority of us will be participating in an outdoor rally, either in place or marching on the streets surrounding the Capitol (to be determined soon). We encourage signs and banners that positively champion our cause. In addition, a small contingent will enter the Capitol as repesentatives of our cause and meet with legislators (to be determined). Note: the Capitol Police are unable to provide secure storage of long guns if entry to the building is requested; long gun carriers must remain outside unless other arrangements have been made. - CC, OC and long arms are part of our daily routine, and are welcomed here. However, it is necessary that any CC or OC be done using a proper holster, and long guns be slung over the shoulder and never in a 'low port' position. - Remember that PA is still under 'State of Emergency' rules as they pertain to the carry of firearms. From the PA UFA: § 6107. Prohibited conduct during emergency. No person shall carry a firearm, rifle or shotgun upon the public streets or upon any public property during an emergency proclaimed by a State or municipal governmental executive unless that person is: 1) Actively engaged in a defense of that person's life or property from peril or threat. 2) Licensed to carry firearms under section 6109 (relating to licenses) or is exempt from licensing under section 6106(b) (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license). (June 13, 1995, 1st Sp.Sess., P.L.1024, No.17, eff. 120 days) - There are public parking areas near the assembly site, see http://www.harrisburgparking.org/ , however carpooling is highly recommended! - The exact rally point is yet to be determined. (updated 1/03/13) To understand the importance of this public demonstration, refer to this link for information provided by"The Community Tool Box": http://ctb.ku.edu/en/tablecontents/s...main_1258.aspx Public demonstration is a big-dot deal, it's what creates lasting videos and sound bites. While we are planning for this to be a success, keep in mind that the media covering this, as well as most of the flock of sheeple, are looking at us to fail miserably. We can avoid negative perception by keeping ourselves focused and delivering a clear message; we are responsible citizens against gun violence. We oppose any restrictions that punish our law-abiding community while doing nothing to address the root causes. WHAT WE CAN EXPECT DURING OUR DEMONSTRATION: - Media coverage - Probing and possibly leading questions by the media - Harassment by those of an opposing view. This will include taunting, baiting, viscious verbal attacks, and even being spit on or otherwise assaulted. WE MUST KEEP THE UPPER HAND AT ALL COSTS! Do not sink to the level of the antagonizers, that is EXACTLY what they want and EXACTLY what the media will play on the five, six, and eleven o'clock news! We have arranged this demonstration to show the public that we are not the evil in the world. We must do everything possible to convey that. If you're coming for pure confrontation or a physical fight, stay home instead, you won't help us at all. It is CRITICAL that we clearly understand our cause from the get-go. Update Friday 1/04/2013: There are certain stipulations specified in the use of the Capitol public areas that must be understood by those who participate in this rally: - The public areas of the Capitol Complex must be maintained as intact, attractive, safe and readily available to the thousands of individuals who visit and work there. The Capitol Complex also must be available to individuals who wish to exercise their constitutional rights to assemble and to communicate their views to government officials and the public. - Responsibilities of users of the Capitol Complex. Individuals or organizations are responsible for returning the areas used in conducting their events or exhibits to their original condition. Individuals or organizations are responsible for any vandalism, damage, breakage, loss or other destruction to the Capitol Complex caused by that individual or organization. The Department will assess individuals or organizations for damages incurred. The cost of the repair will include the costs for the services of specialists in relevant historical restoration skills as determined by the Secretary. - Obligation to the Commonwealth to indemnify and hold harmless. Individuals and organizations using the Capitol Complex will be required by the Department to indemnify and hold harmless the Commonwealth, its departments, agents and employees, from and against all suits, damages, claims or other liabilities due to personal injury or death, damage to or loss of property to the Commonwealth or to others, or for any other injury or damage arising out of or resulting from the use of the Capitol Complex. - Damage to Commonwealth property. Defacing or damaging in any manner the Capitol grounds, including (without limitation) trees, shrubbery, flowers, lawns, sidewalks, fences, lighting fixtures, light wells, fire hydrants, benches, statues, monuments, plaques and subterranean features that are necessary for the maintenance and operation of the Capitol (such as lawn sprinkler systems, sewer and water mains, electrical conduit, and the like), or any other feature is not allowed. Likewise, defacing or damaging the exterior walls and surfaces of the building, including the entrances, porches and staircases, is not allowed. - Limitations applicable to certain Commonwealth property. Stepping or climbing upon statues, monuments, fences, lighting fixtures, light wells, trees or parts of the buildings and grounds within the Capitol Complex not intended for these purposes is not allowed. - Demonstrations and leafleting. Picketing, demonstrations and the distribution of literature may not impede or interfere with Commonwealth business or public access to and use of the buildings within the Capitol Complex. Individuals distributing literature shall remove all discarded items from the grounds at the conclusion of their activity. - Driving stakes or other items into the ground prohibited. Due to the presence of underground utility, electrical and drainage lines, signs or banners may not be driven into the ground, nor may they be supported in or by any tree, monument or other structure affixed to the Capitol grounds, except as authorized by the Secretary. Signs (excluding disclaimer signs required under § 86.3(8)(iv) (relating to policy governing the public areas of the Capitol Complex) or banners supported by freestanding devices) may not be left unattended. An individual shall be stationed within 2 feet of a freestanding sign or banner at all times to prevent damage to the grounds, injury to individuals, and for security reasons. - Alcoholic beverages. Alcoholic beverages may not be served or consumed in any public area within the Capitol Complex... These are no-brainer stipulations, but it is critical that we abide by this code, maintain decorum, and police after ourselves when done. Stay tuned for details...this post will be in a constant state of editing/updating as specifics are developed! Regards - Don

Give up your guns and your life will be anything but comfortable. I, for one, have a family to defend and I WILL not sit idly bye as they are pillaged and raped. Sorry, I will not live like that. I have become accustomed to being prepared and protected with firearms and I will NOT comply by giving up that last line of defense. If living in fear of thugs, unions and government for the rest of my life is considered "comfortable", count me out.

Got these from PAFOA and other places. Please got to other states gun sites and post as well. We need to overwhelm the system...Go,go,go! http://www.contactingthecongress.org/ http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/NJ Hello XXXXXXXXXXX, I am writing to you today regarding the tragedy that happened in Newtown, with all the emotional feelings and the loss its understandable to turn to guns as the problem and not look at the real issue. In reality we must realize that what we have been doing year after year is not working and that we must turn to other means of protecting our schools. I am letting you know that I am completely against any new gun laws, may it be federal or local, I will not support any new laws that will further restrict my rights as an American citizen. No new laws would have prevented the tragedy that happened in Newtown. It is estimated that Adam broke over 41 laws on that horrific day. He broke a law when he stole his mothers firarms, he broke a law when he killed his mother, he broke a local law when he drove with firearms in his vehicle from NJ to Connecticut, he broke a law when he took the firearms to the school, he broke a law when he brought the firearms into the school. There are many other laws that Adam broke on that day and none of them prevented the acts he committed. Recently politicians have been calling for an assault weapons ban and a high magazine ban, I am completely against both measures, not only because it will restrict my rights but because they will serve no purpose in preventing tragedies. It is said Adam stole the weapons from his mother who lives in NJ, well as you know NJ already has an assault weapons ban which is stricter than the old federal ban, Connecticut too also has an assault weapons ban, both state also have bans against high capacity magazines. Neither of these bans prevented the tragedy Adam committed, so any type of federal ban will not prevent a tragedy of this kind. Instead of focusing on gun control we must focus on school safety. There are many things we as people can do to make schools safer and banning any type of firearm is not one of them. We can look towards the lack of security our schools currently have. Something along the lines of installing metal detectors at a schools entrance, allowing only one entrance into a school building but having many exits, having an armed police officer or security guard man this entrance into the school. All of these are examples of how to make our schools safer and hopefully eliminate any future tragedies. I understand that such measures will cost us all but can we really put a price tag on our children’s safety? Our thoughts and prayers are with these families as we need to reach out to them at this time...as true Americans. Also, as a father of three children I feel responsible for their well being and safety inside and outside of our home. 99.99% of firearms owners (including myself) are responsible and enjoy sharing this God given right with them. We look forward to you preserving this right for MY children and their children so they have the right to protect themselves. "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good" -- George Washington "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi Also, Hitler and Stalin, among many leaders, instituted gun buy backs, registration, limits then bans. That did not end up so well. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Dear congressman / congresswoman, I am writing to you today to request that you vote against any gun control measures that may arise in response to the tragic events in Newtown, Connecticut. I am deeply disturbed by what happened on that day, but I know that the solution to such violence will not be found in enacting more gun control measures. Whether future proposals include restrictions on private sales, more regulatory hassle, or absolutely unacceptable “assault weapons” bans/magazine capacity limits, I urge you to stand strong with gun owners and defend our 2nd amendment, naturally-entitled rights. None of these measures will reduce violence in the United States and will only further degrade we the people’s ability to defend ourselves from whatever threats may come. In such trying times, it is important to remember that not only are we as Americans entitled to own the same weaponry as those who may oppress us, but also that having this ability is not a threat to our safety. Switzerland, for example, has a population of 6 million and is estimated to have 600,000 fully-automatic and 2 million total firearms in private hands, yet has almost no violent crime to speak of. Even here at home, murders have been decreasing at a consistent rate since the 1990s (even after the 2004 sunset of the 1994 “assault weapons” ban), and in 2011, more people were killed with fists and kicks than by semi-automatic rifles! It is apparent, then, that arms ownership does not cause violence, and that the solution to violence in the United States is not one of gun control. I’m not sure what the solution is to tragedies such as these, but I am sure that it is not banning types of firearms or limiting magazine capacities. Should you vote against firearms owners and the rights of Americans, we will ensure that 1994 repeats itself and that those who voted against us are not re-elected. Simply put, voting for any sort of gun control, whether big or small, will see someone else elected in your seat. Rather, voting against gun control, taking a principled stand against emotional scaremongering, and protecting Americans’ rights will earn you the loyalty and support of millions of voters. Please, I urge you, do the right thing: oppose any gun control measures. It is what’s best for this nation and best for your future representative career. You have millions of voters behind you in this effort, and turning your back on them would strike a blow to American freedom for generations. Support gun owners, support the people, and support the Constitution. Yours in freedom, (name) (address) _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Dear congressman / congresswoman, I am writing to you today with regards to legislation proposed by Senator Dianne Feinstein; specifically, legislation that calls for the ban of so-called “assault weapons.” I am urging you to vote against any and all gun control, especially assault weapons bans, limits on magazine capacity, and/or compulsory registrations of firearms -- all actions called for by Senator Feinstein’s proposal. These are wholly unnecessary measures that will do nothing to curb the amount or serverity of violence in the United States. Rather, the only thing these measures will do is diminish the ability of Americans to defend themselves from criminals and oppression while further restricting our 2nd Amendment, naturally-entitled rights. It is important to remember that Senator Feinstein’s plan has been tried before in the United States, and both the National Research Council and Department of Justice concluded that the 1994 “assault weapons” ban could not be linked to any decrease in crime. Additionally, Senator Feinstein’s foundational reasoning is questionable, as semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15 are the least used weapons in crime; more people are killed every year by fists and baseball bats than AR-15s! This is on top of the fact that banning magazines with capacities greater than 10 would do nothing to stop criminals; bad guys would simply carry more magazines than they did before. On the other hand, possessing AR-15s and standard-capacity magazines as citizens is imperative, as these tools can be used in self defense. For example, when we hear glass break in the middle of the night, the firearms we reach for in self defense are often loaded with only a single magazine. Ensuring that single magazine is carrying as many rounds as possible is CRUCIAL for defending ourselves and our families, especially if there are multiple assailants involved (misses will occur, and more than one round will need to be used per assailant). Additionally, owning AR-15s and standard-capacity magazines is an important part of the citizenry’s ability to resist enemies both foreign and domestic. Please, stand by the American people and do not repeat 1994. This will cost you your seat in Congress, just as it did many representatives then, and it will set American freedom back for generations to come. Take a principled stand for firearms owners, defend our freedoms, and protect the Constitution. This will earn you the loyalty and support of millions. Thank you for listening, and I pray you make the right choice. Yours in freedom, (name) (address)

You know, I just looked at my 2012 calendar and it ends on December 31st of this year!!! There's nothing after that date and I checked numerous times. WTF? Why isn't anyone talking about this!!!???? The horror....

Bingo!!! Parents are too afraid to utter the word "NO" in fear their kids may not like them. Parents need to get back to parenting, taking time TEACHING their kids again and stop pandering to them, making excuses and believing everything the media tells you.

Yes, you're correct. But the point is, a bit of research on Obama will really open who he really is...from his books, to him being on record that the Constitution is a flawed document, banning hand guns, creating a registration, spreading the wealth, under his cap and trade plan energy prices will necessarily sky rocket. My goodness I could go on and on and on. But the thread was started because of people on this thread stating Obama has not done anything to prohibit guns. However, his actions in IL, his stance and even stating it in the debates and people still say he's gun friendly. The time for playing games and skirting around issues is over... I'm done. This is serious stuff and we need to wake up, call senators, Reps, NRA, SAF, GOA, local Reps, state senators, picket peacefully, etc.

Hybrid letter (part from someone else and part mine morphed together) sent to Reps and Senators....use, change or whatever: Hello XXXXXXXXXXX, I am writing to you today regarding the tragedy that happened in Newtown, with all the emotional feelings and the loss its understandable to turn to guns as the problem and not look at the real issue. In reality we must realize that what we have been doing year after year is not working and that we must turn to other means of protecting our schools. I am letting you know that I am completely against any new gun laws, may it be federal or local, I will not support any new laws that will further restrict my rights as an American citizen. No new laws would have prevented the tragedy that happened in Newtown. It is estimated that Adam broke over 41 laws on that horrific day. He broke a law when he stole his mothers firarms, he broke a law when he killed his mother, he broke a local law when he drove with firearms in his vehicle from NJ to Connecticut, he broke a law when he took the firearms to the school, he broke a law when he brought the firearms into the school. There are many other laws that Adam broke on that day and none of them prevented the acts he committed. Recently politicians have been calling for an assault weapons ban and a high magazine ban, I am completely against both measures, not only because it will restrict my rights but because they will serve no purpose in preventing tragedies. It is said Adam stole the weapons from his mother who lives in NJ, well as you know NJ already has an assault weapons ban which is stricter than the old federal ban, Connecticut too also has an assault weapons ban, both state also have bans against high capacity magazines. Neither of these bans prevented the tragedy Adam committed, so any type of federal ban will not prevent a tragedy of this kind. Instead of focusing on gun control we must focus on school safety. There are many things we as people can do to make schools safer and banning any type of firearm is not one of them. We can look towards the lack of security our schools currently have. Something along the lines of installing metal detectors at a schools entrance, allowing only one entrance into a school building but having many exits, having an armed police officer or security guard man this entrance into the school. All of these are examples of how to make our schools safer and hopefully eliminate any future tragedies. I understand that such measures will cost us all but can we really put a price tag on our children’s safety? Our thoughts and prayers are with these families as we need to reach out to them at this time...as true Americans. Also, as a father of three children I feel responsible for their well being and safety inside and outside of our home. 99.99% of firearms owners (including myself) are responsible and enjoy sharing this God given right with them. We look forward to you preserving this right for MY children and their children so they have the right to protect themselves. "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good" -- George Washington "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi

After a stressed out day, that gave me a good "chuckle"...Thanks!

White House: Obama ‘Actively Supportive’ of Assault Weapons Ban http://www.theblaze.com/stories/white-house-obama-actively-supportive-of-assault-weapons-ban/#comment-4621723 (TheBlaze/AP) — The White House says President Barack Obama is “actively supportive” of efforts on Capitol Hill to reinstate an assault weapons ban, marking a change from the more open-ended support of “change” in days and years past. President Obama has long backed stricter gun laws, but failed to make significant headway during his first term. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) plans to introduce legislation to reinstate the ban early next year, and while White House spokesman Jay Carney was noncommittal yesterday, he’s now put the White House on record. “He is actively supportive of, for example, Sen. [Dianne] Feinstein’s stated intent to revive a piece of legislation that would reinstate the assault weapons ban,” Carney remarked Tuesday during his daily briefing. Carney says Obama would also consider legislation to close the gun show “loophole,” and regulate certain ammunition clips. Carney explained: “He supports and would support legislation that addresses the problem of the so-called gun show loophole, and there are other elements of gun legislation that he could support … high capacity ammunition clips, for example. That is certainly something he would be interested in looking at.” __________________________________________________________________________________________ Start calling Reps, Senators and so forth. I see this as the first step. Then another shooting will happen with a call for more bans until we're left with a BB gun

Really? Is there some information you'd like to share? Just like 4 years ago when we said Obamacare would never happen? NDAA would never happen? Bailouts would never happen? 401K nationalization COULD NEVER even be considered? Please enlighten me because I've been hearing stuff like "take off the tinfoil hat...calm down....conspiracy theorist" for several years, yet it all seems to happen. Every country that lost their freedoms happened over a 10-15 year period. Bush 2 and Bush 3 (Obama) are close to the 15 years.

Wow... that's so nice of her to trample an actual right of ours and let us keep a few parts of it for our own. These freaking people are pissing me off...They have been looking and waiting for a time like this to ram this down our throats because this is the last link between preserving freedom and living in tyranny. My goodness, they tout everything from a phone to cable to healthcare as a right, but when ever there is an actual "written in stone right", they take it away. This is NON Negotiable and our duty lies in the Declaration of Independence. Now is the time to call, write, peacefully assemble and tell your Reps how you feel. History is very clear and this is obviously an agenda. Over 2800 lives a year are saved from responsible gun owners. 30-60 innocent lives a year are taken from whacked out criminals and and average of 2,500,000 innocent lives are taken a year from governments after firearms are confiscated.or limited. At what point is this treason? At what point do we make them understand "shall not be infringed"?

No.. I moved out 6 months ago. Here are a few reasons: -Car insurance for the 4 of us in NJ=$4900 no accidents or tickets -PA $2300 -Income tax in NJ 6.01% -PA 3% flat tax. -Sales tax NJ 7% -PA 6% -School in (private) in NJ $15,800 for 2 kids -PA $8400 for 2 kids. Property taxes= $7900 in NJ 1/3 acre PA $8200 1/2 acre and a house MUCH larger. I get gas in NJ because I work there. A few things I've noticed since moving and please no offense. First, there are NO (stupid---subsidized) solar panels. Also, I've noticed in the areas I frequent that most shopping carts are put back in their bins, MUCH fewer people abuse the handicapped spots. (Which is a big pet peeve of mine). Many more "thank you's, you're welcome's and I'm sorry's". Lastly, seems to be a bit more of a "less inward" focus on the individual. For example, when living in NJ if I wanted to pull out of a side street into to very slow moving or not moving traffic, I literally would have to force my way in as most times people will not let you in. Then it would cause an argument, horns honking and finger flying. I have rarely experience that in PA. Also, a few nights ago while waiting at a traffic light in PA, the light turned green... the car in front did not move and to my amazement NOBODY honked. I thought I was in a twilight zone moving...even weirder I didn't honk either. As impatient as I can be I scared myself. Last, COPS! I have not kept count but I see at least 1-2 cops per day taking radar or pulling someone over on my way to and from work. In PA, I have seen ONE taking radar. Granted my highway travels in PA are limited to a 3-5 miles and RTE 295 in NJ are 12 - 15 miles. However, my son travels 12 miles of highway to his PA school daily and has yet to see a cop taking radar. For me...no! So far PA (Philadelphia aside) seems to be a different mentality. The only way I can describe it is like going to a gun show and that type of crowd as opposed to going to Produce Junction...

63% to 37% that gun laws are not the problem. BTW, I think most people are seeing this as a TOTAL whacked out nut case that would have done this regardless of gun laws more than seeing it as an everyday person that went crazy.

Pulled from another site and thought this was interesting in the wake of more AWB talks: The Federal "Assault Weapon Ban" was in effect from 1994 to 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...lt_Weapons_Ban Over that period... 1994–1995 (17 Homicides and 20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.) 1995–1996 (29 Homicides and 35 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.) 1996–1997 (23 Homicides and 25 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.) 1997–1998 (35 Homicides and 40 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.) 1998–1999 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.) 1999–2000 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.) 2000-2004: February 29, 2000: Unidentified 6-year-old offender in Michigan school shooting. 1 student fatality.[40] May 26, 2000: Lake Worth, Florida Lake Worth Middle School Florida teacher Barry Grunow was fatally shot by his student, 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill, who had returned to school after being sent home at 1 p.m. by the assistant principal for throwing water balloons. Brazill returned to school on his bike with a 5 inch Raven and four bullets stolen from his grandfather the week before. Brazill was an honor student. Grunow was a popular teacher and Brazill's favorite.[40] August 28, 2000: University of Arkansas shooting at Fayetteville, Arkansas At approximately 12:14 pm, Dr. John R. Locke, 67, Director of the Comparative Literature Program was shot and killed in his office by James E. Kelly, 36, a Comparative Literature PhD candidate who had recently been dismissed from the program for lack of progress towards his degree. Kelly shot Dr. Locke three times before taking his own life in Dr. Locke's office after it was cordoned off by campus police.[41][42][43] September 26, 2000: Darrel Johnson, 13, offender in Louisiana school shooting with 1 student fatality.[40] March 5, 2001: Charles Andrew William, age 15, offender in California school shooting, 15 wounded 2 of which died.[40] March 30, 2001: Donald R. Burt Jr., age 18, offender in Indiana school shooting with 1 student fatality.[40] September 24, 2003: John Jason McLaughlin, age 15, offender in Minnesota school shooting with 2 student fatalities.[40] February 2, 2004: Unidentified offender in Washington, DC school shooting with 1 student fatality.[40] May 7, 2004: Unidentified 17 year old offender in Maryland school shooting with 1 student fatality.[40] Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...d_States#1990s For the remainder of the time after the ban expired, most of the shootings involved none of the so called "assault weapons", including the major ones: Virginia Tech massacre, Red Lake massacre, Amish school shooting, Northern Illinois University Shooting, and Oikos University shooting.

Pretty much this^^^^^ However, I like this other post from another site...got me thinking a bit: "Ya know . . . Years back there were sincere people who tried to find the true root of this public mass murder problem of modern times. For the most part, the shooters have been young males who are described these killers as sociopath zombie-like characters. Starting back in the 1970s, the widespread use of prescription drugs to control "problematic" behavior in children really got underway. It seemed that liberal elitists as part of their utopian world dream concepts worked hard to prevent boys from being boys. It might be that in their effort to create the ideal little metro-sexual beta-male using behavior altering drugs, that monsters were hatched".

Yup... when you're held accountable to the creator of the universe, taught to treat others as you want to be treated and believe and OBEY you have a transformation. When you have to answer to God, there are NO excuses....and yeah, there is that whole eternity thing. Prayers with the kids and families. Life will never be perfect, but what was done here is pure evil. Can't always blame 100% on the parents but every avenue these kids take lead to unrealistic outcomes. Couple that with rarely being told "no", getting everything you want and thinking only of yourself eventually this is what happens. Maybe the conversations about gun violence should start being focused on culture of self centered, self pity angry kids with broken homes, a society that blames and does not take responsibility and removal of God. Look up the stats when prayer was taken out of school in 1963...coincidence? Nope!

But our lives and freedom have been greatly restricted since then and these progressives have a great argument that nothing happened since then. I know what you mean and agree with you. It is sick twisted people and we know far, far more people are killed once firearms are banned. I feel for the families of all that have died. I know the horrors of this first hand after the brutal stabbing of my nephew. I saw how that ripped aprt his family and the effects of this senseless murder still are rippling outward. Prayers and thoughts are with the families

<div class="float_left"> </div> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/CNN/status/279666440385220608" target="_hplink">CNN has identified</a> the alleged gunman at <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting_n_2300831.html" target="_hplink">Sandy Hook Elementary School</a> in Newtown, Conn. as Ryan Lanza.</p> <p>A quick search of Facebook shows <a href="https://www.facebook.com/rlanza" target="_hplink">what appears to be Lanza's page</a>. At this time, The Huffington Post cannot confirm the authenticity of Lanza's page, though the details on it fit the apparent profile of the alleged shooter.</p> <p>It shows Lanza as a resident of Hoboken, N.J., with a hometown of Newtown, Conn. He appears to be student or have some connection to Quinnipiac University in Hamden, Conn., as he is a member of Quinnipiac's Facebook network.</p>

Because we have an administration and President on record MANY times calling for AWB, gun registration, etc. But I see your point as well. BTW, I believe the AWB was in 1995 and Columbine was in 1999? Is that correct?

http://www.ssaa.org.au/research/2008/2008-06_evaluating-britains-handgun-ban.html

Thanks. Interestingly enough, UK firearms related incidents have doubled since the ban.... yet you don't hear about that.

I swear, and I don't care what anyone thinks, but this is the result of top down, bottom up BS to ban firearms. The people will PLEAD for something to be done and our wonderful politicians will have to meet the demands of their constituents. These groups are anti freedom, anti-life and put their agenda in front of anything. Pure evil and yes, it does exist. On a side note, prayers and support for these stricken families are our main priority. God bless and direct them all giving them peace.

I don't recall that incident... when was that?