mikelets456

http://deloc.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8175&start=0 The fight has officially been brought to my front door Last night I was out with a buddy of mine. I got a text from my wife that the cops and dyfs are at the house and they wanna check out my guns and needed me to open my safe. I'm instantly on my way. I get in contact with evan Nappen on the way. I explain the situation. I walk in my house and hand the phone to the first cop I see. Then direct all of em outside. Dyfs got a call because of a pic on my son holding a gun. They wanted to look around and check all my guns out, make sure they were all registered. Obviously that didn't go well because I refused. I had Nappen on speaker phone the entire time so they had to deal with both of us. They kept trying to pressure me to open my safe. They had no warrant, no charges, nothing. I didn't budge. I was told I was being "unreasonable" and that I was acting suspicious because I wouldn't open my safe. Told me they were gonna get a search warrant. Told em go ahead. Nappen (my lawyer) asked me for the dyfs workers name. she wouldnt give it. i asked for credentials and she wouldnt show em. i tried to take a pic of her and she turned around real fast and walked away. After a while of them threatening to take my kids, get warrants and intimidation they left. Empty handed and seeing nothing. People it can happen that fast. Most people wouldn't have stood up to them like I did. (go to site for photos)

Correct...even when it seems scary at times "fighting" for what is right, it has to be done. What's the alternative? Either way, whether we do nothing or do something, the end result will still be painful.

Great...I'll take 6 boxes of .223, 4 boxes of .40 and some .380...NOW!!! Hurry, or I'll give your store a bad rating with the Better Business Bureau.

I apologize, I just read my comments and they seemed condescending. I was only trying to make my point...sorry if it came across condescending.

...and giving 3 options without a search warrant or due process is "good"? Remember, this is based solely on one person's complaint. Would it be right if I said you threatened me with a gun and the police simply showed up at your house giving you 3 options? What would you do? The correct answer is "no, I'm not going...I need to call a lawyer". Better yet, simply, "no, I'm not going. Get a warrant". All 3 options were illegal and Unconstitutional...Stalin did this type of stuff. There is a reason the Bill of Rights exists....for this sole purpose.

Even if she did threaten him it gives the government the authority to confiscate your property? There is a thing called "due process" and just because someone makes a threat simply does not make the police arbitrators of confiscating property. It's his word against hers....bottom line the two of them would have to stand before a judge before anything can be done. Especially confiscating property! I'm a VERY sarcastic person and at times I've quoted lines from a movie while traveling...like Sunny Bono's line from "Airplane 2": "I'll have a pack of gum, a soda, that magazine and the 2nd bomb on the left..." So, if I'm caught saying "bomb" at the airport does it give them the right to confiscate my property at the airport and at home without a warrant? Without due process? Also, I'm Italian and make simple jokes that "I'm from NJ, drive a Lincoln and have a big trunk"....What happens if someone takes me seriously? One could argue that was a threat and we need to search and seize his car, house, etc! See, there's a reason for the 1A,2A, 4A,5A, etc, etc, etc....it's to protect us from unreasonable searches, confiscation and imprisonment!

That first story is VERY, VERY disturbing. My goodness, they just entered the home with no warrant, no knocking, NO nothing! I have to admit if someone was standing in my living room without me knowing I'd of called 911 and then proceeded to defend myself. The media would have had a field day with this if he ended up shooting at the "innocent" police officer. This is unbelievable...scary as all get out!

Whether she did or did not its his word against hers. Does it give the police the right to take her private property? What about " due process" ?

Well, here's something else to think about. Are property taxes "Constitutional"? What's fair? What's just? $1000? $10,000? $20,000? How come some pay it and some don't? How come some get rebates and some don't? We've been duped into believing that every tax is justified...I contend that property taxes are Unconstitutional. Because what happens if you can't pay them? Your assets are seized!

.... Charged With ‘Terroristic Threats’ After Reading the Constitution at Tax Dispute Assembly http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/12/nj-mother-forced-to-turn-over-her-guns-charged-with-terroristic-threats-after-reading-the-constitution-at-tax-dispute-assembly/ A New Jersey mother was arrested and told to turn over her guns after reading the Constitution and peacefully protesting at a tax dispute forum, she says. Eileen Hart was with her husband Keith and her 7-year-old daughter on Saturday at the Gloucester Community Center to dispute a mandatory home re-evaluation that would roughly double her property value (and therefore dramatically increase her rates), objecting on multiple grounds. As an Orthodox Jew, she refused to have the inspectors in her home when her husband was away at work. As an American citizen, she objected to the seemingly arbitrary reappraisal, noting that she is not planning on selling her home and hasn’t renovated her kitchen in 30 years. But at the forum, Hart was allegedly told that since she didn’t let the inspectors into her home, the state has a right to “assume” its value. “How could they assume that my value had doubled when there is absolutely no housing market?” she asked TheBlaze rhetorically over the phone. “There is basically no GDP growth.” After Hart started citing the Constitution, a representative of Appraisal Systems, Inc.– the company contracted by the state to conduct appraisals– started “freaking out,” she said, and called for New Jersey tax assessor Robyn Glocker-Hammond. “Sit down and shut up,” Hart said Glocker-Hammond told her, adding that she (Glocker-Hammond) was there to “enforce the law.” “I didn’t see a badge,” Hart noted. “Her title is tax assessor, not law enforcement officer.” Glocker-Hammond started speaking to Hart’s husband like a “two-year-old,” Hart claimed, and after she objected, Glocker-Hammond once again told her to be quiet. “I have a right to speak out against this, this is a public place, my tax dollars pay your salary,” Hart objected to the tax assessor, already incredulous at the drastic increase in her rates. “I don’t work for you,” the assessor allegedly retorted. At that point, Appraisal Systems, Inc. representative Andrew Colavecchio started advancing towards her, she said, like he was about to grab her arm. “Don’t you dare touch me,” she said after he allegedly got so close he touched her coat. _____________________________________________________________________________________________ Seems that she's guilty until proven innocent. It's amazing this stuff goes on...a government official can simply walk in and take your stuff based on the story of another government official?

Even though I'm in PA right now, I'm looking at Oklahoma. Can't put a price on freedom....However, I'll stay in PA until the North East cancer spreads to this state. Luckily, for now, most of PA is rural with very conservative Reps in the PA house and senate. However, they are introducing the same BS laws that NJ is trying. Look at the New AG Kane...just one of the BS Bloomberg plants with unlimited funds put her there. Believe me, Bloomberg has his sites on PA, CO and many other states. To me, this guy is one of the most dangerous politician's/Rich corrupt people threatening freedom in this country. He is pure evil....I don't care what anyone says...he's very disingenuous.

I left 8-9 Months ago and there was no exit tax. That only pertains to houses as a 2nd residence or you lives there less than 5(?) years. Btw, there were a few reasons I left: 1-Car insurance. Was paying $6200 (+/-) for the 4 of us in NJ. Paying $2,300 now. 2- Paying about the same in property tax but have twice as much yard and literally twice the house. 3-Income tax. 3% vs 6% in NJ. With me and the wife working it's a HUGE difference.. Also, 6% vs 7% sales tax. I get gas in NJ. 4-Private schooling. I have no idea why it's so much cheaper but we're saving $7,000 per year and the kids are doing better...no PC BS. 5-Gun laws. Buy a pistol on Monday...decide you want another on Saturday you simply just go. Also, LTCF is 20 minutes and 20 bucks in my county. It varies through the state. 6-This was an ADDED bonus I did not expect. The mentality in NJ is all laws are right and anyone that deviates government authority is a radical. Meaning, government knows best and you're a radical if you question them. PA it's a bit different. They question why you DON'T have guns. They question why you're not involved with local school boards, elections etc. Also, in my area it's about a 65% to 35% Conservative to Liberal belief. So it's nice being around like minded people. Also, I'm amazed how there are 4-5 neighbors that know who George Soros is, that have shot guns daily and believe what I believe regarding this administration and the direction our country is headed. In my old area, none of my neighbors ever shot a gun and when I asked if they'd like to go, they did not talk to me since asking. Anyway, with that said, PA could end up being the next NJ. I don't really know of any save havens. You may buy yourself some time going to other states, but if the Feds keep growing at the rate they're growing something's gotta' give and it ain't gonna be pretty. Another reason I moved to PA, I know this sounds conspiratorial, but if NJ goes completely down the tubes it's a perfectly water locked state with the exception of North Jersey. This could spell disaster trying to get out if everything collapses. Not a main reason for the move, but something that crossed my mind a few times.

I thought the main point of going to a health "professional" was to get help regarding your health! Once these people turn into " government informants" they are no longer health professionals. Hence, it's time to stop going and associating with them. There are enough good doctors that an underground type of system will result. However, here is the main pillar of communism.....divide and conquer. When no one can be trusted and money is the main arbitrator over morals , we're doomed. This needs to stopped peacefully through the courts and contacting reps. If this does not work then other peaceful measures need to be considered to preserve freedom. Think outside of the box, be vigilant and never give up. Start locally and work outward going from house to house and show up at all council and school board meetings. You need to show up in numbers...always. The libs do it, so we need to twice as much.

Really? Call 911? I'm sorry, but this is why we're in the state we're in right now! Harassing a person, searching him, locking him up in jail.. that's not bothering anyone because he's carrying? Could be a cop, could be someone (gun friend with family) that got so used to carrying he simply forgot to lock his gun in his trunk. I don't know how many times I drive 2-3 miles from my house on the way to NJ and have to turn around because I forgot I had my carry on me. I could end up being in the same scenario...law abiding, tax paying honest citizen that made a mistake and you'd feel great reporting me, ruining my life over a law that is actually ILLEGAL. Thanks...thank you for ruining the life of upstanding citizens that do make mistakes. You want to live with that? I know I don't! Then what's the difference in the scenario above if he was pulling the tire out of his trunk and you noticed a gun in a case that he was transporting? How about several guns in cases? You could assume he's selling guns illegally and call the cops....once again, making the honest citizen a criminal. In NJ, he'd go to jail, ruin his life, be tied up with tens of thousands in legal fees and his life ruined. While you're at it, why don't you start reporting people that are speeding? How about out of date registration stickers? Wait...why not report anyone that goes through a RED light. How about people riding bicycles without a helmet? I could go on and on. Go ahead, turn over innocent people to the "Bloomberg's" of the world. That's what they want...be a good little soldier of the state. This mentality of ..."call 911" for every darn thing just boggles my mind. Face facts, you're NJ brainwashed and bought into the system.Assuming someone is GUILTY before assuming they're innocent. That's what freedom is all about...This is how it starts, look at history.

Democrats/Liberals are master, Middle East negotiators. They'll throw out a host of "wants" but really have one or two in mind. I really hope Christie vetoes but realistically he'll horse trade some smaller items to get items he's really been going after. I believe they'll get the mental illness, terrorist watch, internet sales and a few others. To us, these are big/HUGE, important items but to Christie they're bargaining chips to get what he wants and looks like he did his due diligence while getting something he's been pushing. In the end, there is NO WAY all this BS passes, but Christie will definitely bargain to get what he wants...I believe he is of the philosophy "what's best for the collective is best for society". So if it takes away (some) from the 8% (gun owners) but benefits the 70% (voters/tax payers)...guess where he's going?

I think Christie supports all kinds of expansions...

Guaranteed...100% of will, at some point.

They're used to hide all the money they keep stealing from us....

The Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Unless the Declaration of Independence is offensive as well, let's simply just get rid of that document as well...okay? This is a waste of a thread and I'm sorry I got sucked into it. I have letters to write to my Reps and more town halls to go to...so let just agree on the gun rights and move on? We need to write our Reps and go to functions, we all have work to do. VLAD, I apologize as we need to work together and get our Reps educated...lets get off this topic and get to work.

Nice. Care to post where you got that? Also, did you hear of a thing called over crowded prisons? Gee, how many thugs are on the streets because of our corrupt legal system. Btw, are you saying we're much better off as a society now? http://t.answers.com/answers/#!/entry/what-are-the-statistics-of-violence-before-and-after-prayer,4fe69e914b672622b852f9a6/5 Btw, your ammo for the democrats and the president in " bitter bible clingers" should be the first clue we're getting to them. Gee, since you're a history buff what's the first thing all Marxists, nazis and takeovers get rid of? Come on, I know you can figure it out. Yes, very good....God, Bibles and Christianity. How do you get rid of that? By lying and slandering. My goodness, this is statist takeover 101. But go ahead and keep buying into Chris Matthews and al sharpton that God is the cause of all problems and government is the answer. You're okay with the 50,000 or more man made laws but offended by the 2 from God. Go ahead and keep blaming God and Christians for all the worlds problems. As God is removed farther and farther from our core it's pretty obvious how society has degraded rapidly and to deny it is ignorant. Good luck as I'm out on this subject. It amazes me that you think society is much better off now as we move away from God. Keep blaming Christians as you're completely taken over.

Amazing and your argument is winning how? So let me get this straight... Pull prayer out of school in 1963. Divorce rates jump exponentially year after year along with murder, theft, rapes, unwed mothers, suicides, mass killings, massacres. Then all morals and values fly out the window along with ethics and many many other problems. Inflation, welfare, blaming others and no more admittance of wrong doing or guilt. I could go on and on but a quick research of history reveals how society has broken down immensely from this point in. The more I think about it if the people in those days would have stuck with their belief in God, the founding fathers and all that 'offensive' crazy talk we would not be in this predicament that we are today . So go ahead keep making excuses and believe that God offends people and see the last few rights we have disappear because you feel God offends people. How's your argument working so far. Btw, tell the truth long enough eventually people will believe it. Go ahead, keep pandering to what the media wants you to believe. Keep being their puppets as you're falling right into their hands like over ripe fruit.

God given rights "can't" be taken away, man made rights can....what's so hard and offensive about that? Really? You that wimpified? First off, this BS PC pandering is what got us into this predicament. What's next? Don't call it a gun, it really offends them? My goodness, to post stuff like this is total BS and shows how weak minded you really are. I'm a Christian and an American and it offends me that you post crap like this. Look at the polls, 86% of Americans believe in God and about 60% are practicing Christians. Right off the bat you're pandering to 14% of the public that will never change their minds. Kind of like when Walmart was calling "Christmas" shopping, Holiday shopping...duh! Just who do you think shops at Christmas? They paid (literally) for this foul up. The founders believed that Rights come from "Almighty God" and not government....because Rights from Government can be taken away. I'm sure you're familiar enough with History to know that. BTW, FWIW, I NEVER mention the 2A or any of the Bill of Rights as "Rights from God" until I get into the history and reasoning during a debate. See, the point of coming on here and making statements like this really tick me off because there is no reason as to why you're making such a blanket statement. If your debates evolve that quickly then you're debating incorrectly. It depends on the venue, who's around, who you're talking to, how much time you have, etc, etc, etc. But to simply write a one paragraph post stating "take God out of gun discussions" is...well, ummm....I'll refrain. Go ahead, keep marginalizing God, the Founders, Morals, values and you'll soon see where we really end up....with nothing. It's compromising like you suggest and pandering to a group that wants to destroy us that's got us in this mess and worse, we lose everything!

Reminder snopes is a total left leaning site founded by two radical lecture es bent on shaping the truth.

My goodness there are so many illegal and unconstitutional phrases in there it's sickening. It's also so vague that anything could be considered 'crazy'. "You believe in God"? CRAZY! You believe in freedom? Crazy! You're a conservative? Dangerous! If this bs passes it better be a wake up call to all of us that it's time to not comply!

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=218&Itemid=1 February 19, 2013: A bill working its way very rapidly through the New Jersey legislature has just been amended without a hearing to include "any dangerous knife" to proposed enhanced "weapons free zones," creating a dangerous trap for the unwary citizen that could result in fines and jail time for possession of common pocket knives or utility knives within those "zones." We need EVERYONE to WRITE TODAY to help stop this insanity! (For details click on Read More >>>> below) New Jersey Assembly bill A1387 would permit municipalities to establish huge swaths of "weapons free zones" around schools, parks and public facilities within which possession of "any dangerous knife" would be prohibited, under penalty of fine and imprisonment. WRITE TODAY to help stop this insanity! (see below)