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This>>>>>>>> It appears there is unfortunately no shortage of deranged people in the world who are sick enough to go after children. Even today in China a man slashed 22 children with a knife. http://www.rediff.co...rt/20121214.htm

I don't have any proof, but when I lived in NJ and applied for my second round of permits (late 2010) I asked the police chief if he was busy doing permits and FID cards. His answer was "2-3 years ago we were doing 2-3 per week now we're doing 5-8 per day..." I guess that's a pretty significant increase. Also, many of my friends who had the mentality of "why do you need one" are now asking about shooting, is it fun, safe,etc. I try not get in to the reason (just yet) why the founders put it in there, but explain they have a right to defend themselves. The best way to create a "gun friendly" state or area, start taking people to the range. Bribe them with dinner or something afterwards, but once they go they'll be hooked and they'll let others know. BTW, there is a completely different mentality in PA. It seems that in NJ people wonder why you have a gun, in PA they wonder why you DON'T have a gun. I was amazed that 4 of my new neighbors, all of them shoot or at least have a gun. Another reloads...My old neighborhood(18 years there) not one owned a gun let alone fired one.

I hope this opens up carry for NJ, MD, NYC, etc. I'm in NJ 50% of the time during the week and would love to see these BS laws disappear from all states. However, Mcdonald vs Chicago really did not have the impact that I thought it would.... It's a shame that we have to rely on a branch of government to "okay" a right that's already an absolute right. F-ed up!

The 2A is a guaranteed right? Correct? "Shall not be infringed"...correct? Why do you continue to put limits and stipulations on an ACTUAL, written in stone, "Right"? Also, what "Qel hoth" posted above (#27) is exactly correct here in the USA. That is not the government's job to buy back guns and dispose of them. It's just another bloated government waste program that's a "feel good" liberal program. Probably so someone can use this as a talking point in the next election or justify that they are on record for "cutting gun crimes". Sadly, the average citizen will think it a great idea. However, it's no different than having a buy back program for free speech... really no different.

Okay, if that's the case then it makes MUCH more sense and I never thought of it like that. Thanks ...

What would happen to the NJSP if they searched and found out the picture was a fake or it was a plastic [fake] gun? Could he sue or would it simply be "sorry for illegally searching you...everything is okay now" scenario? Did they knock the door down? Make a huge "stink" in the neighborhood? What I'm getting at, what if his photo was a hoax, then what? I can not believe the government has this much power to enter a home on a twitter photo. What's next? Could I be evicted from my home because I posted that I fixed a railing on my deck then find out I needed a permit? Where does it end?

My cousin went from "I don't need a gun" to realizing that if someone broke in he would literally be defenseless. We are now in the process of getting him a firearm. I did the same thing... I slept with my gun, well, not really. But it was ready for very quick access at any whimper or bark from our dog.

Would that pertain to defending oneself? I think "no discharge" is more to do with practice shooting, etc? Anyway, in NJ I would carry when cutting the grass or sitting on our deck. Lived in a fairly safe neighborhood, but it only takes a second to have a life long regret. I carry all the time around the house because we have quit a bit of deer, racoons and other wildlife roaming around. Plus, I need the practice of carrying as it forces me to practicing drawing my weapon.

In the 1930's the government confiscated personally and privately owned GOLD...what makes anyone think these criminals won't do it to your 401K? People keep trusting our government as though they were looking out for our best interest. You think that is so? I bet a very short time ago people thought it be crazy for gun confiscation now it's talked about daily. We are literally following step-by-step what the FDR administration did in the 1930's. The more you accept the realization that these people in Washington are not your politicians of the 1950's and have Marxist ideologies the more you'll realize what they're capable of taking.

My wife used to think I was crazy that every time I'm at the range I'd keep an eye out for a "psycho" in a nearby stall/lane. You just never know who's shooting next to you and something could happen really fast at a lane. Without seeming neurotic, am I the only one that thinks like this? Anything in particular you look out for when in your lane? Like I said, I don't harp on this, but it does run through my mind from time to time while I'm there...

Wow... so an accidental "missed shot" (air soft gun) or shooting at a target in the back yard and you happen to hit someone passing bye, you could end up in jail? I assume that would prohibit one from being able to own a firearm if found guilty as well?

Something on the internet from a lawyer's site that breaks it down clearly: Penalties for Possession of weapons for unlawful purposes (N.J.S. 2C:39-4) are as follows: Charge or Weapon Crime Penalty Firearm, gun, explosive, or destructive device 2nd Degree Crime Maximum of 10 Years in Prison Other Weapons 3rd Degree Crime Maximum of 5 Years in Prison Imitation Firearm / Gun 4th Degree Crime Maximum of 18 Months in Prison --- Penalties for Unlawful Possession of Weapons (N.J.S. 2C:39-5) are as follows: Charge or Weapon Crime Penalty Possession of a Machine Gun, a Handgun without a Permit, a Rifle without a Firearms Identification Card (FID), or a Loaded Rifle or Shotgun 3rd Degree Crime Maximum of 5 Years in Prison Other Weapons 4th Degree Crime Maximum of 18 Months in Prison Possession of a Firearm or Weapon on the grounds of a school (irrespective of legal permits) 4th Degree Crime Maximum of 18 Months in Prison Also, this has me baffled: b. Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun, without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S.A. 2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree if the handgun is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. Otherwise it is a crime of the second degree. Am I reading this wrong? Because a paperclip and a rubber band is sufficient force to injure. We used to go up to the local park and put goggles on and play "war" with air soft gun... is this now considered criminal? I really hope I am reading this wrong.

Two scenarios and still checking the validity of this article: 1) Everyone pulls out of their 401K, the economy collapses and the government just got a crap load of revenue or taxes. 2) No one pulls out, the government controls it, economy collapses slower and those of us with a lot of money in there lose. Looks like a "lose - lose" situation for those of us who worked hard, saved and try to do the right thing. What to do?

Wow, the Obama i at work very fast. Are our 401K and retirement savings at risk of being stolen? Is there anything we can do? I remember hearing about this in 2010 but it looks as if it's coming to fruition.... A recent hearing sponsored by the Treasury and Labor Departments marked the beginning of the Obama Administration’s effort to nationalize the nation’s pension system and to eliminate private retirement accounts including IRA’s and 401k plans, NSC is warning. The hearing, held in the Labor Department’s main auditorium, was monitored by NSC staff and featured a line up of left-wing activists including one representative of the AFL-CIO who advocated for more government regulation over private retirement accounts and even the establishment of government-sponsored annuities that would take the place of 401k plans. "This hearing was set up to explore why Americans are not saving as much for their retirement as they could," explains National Seniors Council National Director Robert Crone, "However, it is clear that this is the first step towards a government takeover. It feels just like the beginning of the debate over health care and we all know how that ended up." A representative of the liberal Pension Rights Center, Rebecca Davis, testified that the government needs to get involved because 401k plans and IRAs are unfair to poor people. She demanded the Obama administration set up a "government-sponsored program administered by the PBGC (the governments’ Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation)." She proclaimed that even "private annuities are problematic." (Excerpt) Read more at nationalseniorscouncil.org ...

If wrong is right and right is wrong then tearing this country apart will bring it back together.... BTW...I live in PA as well.

First off, secession would simply tear this country apart. I believe this is the "people's" way of saying to the Federal government...enough! You're over stepping your boundaries. Second, what is our duty as USA citizens? Hint: Read the Declaration of Independence.Am I saying overthrow the government? No...I am not.However, If you believe we're not under tyranny then there really isn't much else I can convince you. But I'll try... How do you feel about the healthcare bill? Does it make you more free or not? How about the IRS? Property taxes? Gun laws? Do these make you feel more free or not? Would you say we are much more free today than we were 10-15 years ago? How about the government's spending? How about the NDAA, Patriot act, GPS tracking, tapping of your phone lines, etc? Do you see it getting any better? Do you feel the government is here for our best interest? At some point the people need to speak up. It is very obvious what is happening to our country... there is no doubt about it. We have just enough freedom to let the government know we are holding them accountable and still listening...isn't that our duty? I'm tired of being called a "right wing, wacko racist bigot" all because I have an opinion,love this country and care about the future of my children. Do you think it normal being called a threat by the government because you love this country or were a Veteran? How about being mocked by the President and this administration for attending Tea parties or waiving and American flag or reading a Bible. Is that what America is all about? When Americans do that to each other it's called freedom of speech. When the government does it, it's called oppression. So back to the main statement... is secession a good idea? No! Is it a bold statement telling the government they've gone too far? Yes! Is it our duty to peacefully let them know this? Yes! One last question... would you say this Federal government is being accountable and respecting the wishes of the American people and working within the confines of their oath to the Constitution?

This really, really bothers me more than all of the other BS things happening through this administration. Especially since Obama has been on record saying: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." What are the concerns? Why would they focus so much on this, yet ignore our borders? http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/29/ob...w-enforcement/ President Barack Obama signed an executive order Friday that expanded the Department of Homeland Security’s ties to local law enforcement. The executive order creates a White House Homeland Security Partnership Council and Steering Committee, aimed at fostering local partnerships between federal and private institutions “to address homeland security challenges.” The council will be chaired by “the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (Chair), or a designee from the National Security Staff.” The Council chair will also chair the Steering Committee. The executive order comes weeks after a damning Senate report on Homeland Security’s 77 fusion centers, which the Washington Post called “pools of ineptitude, waste and civil liberties intrusions.” The fusion centers were created between 2003 and 2007 as part of a joint effort between DHS and the Justice Department to ease information sharing among federal intelligence agencies, military services, and state and local law enforcement. Those centers collected intelligence that the Senate report said was often “irrelevant, useless or inappropriate intelligence reporting to DHS, and many produced no intelligence reporting whatsoever.” To date, Obama has signed 141 executive orders, which is a smaller number than either President George W. Bush or President Bill Clinton signed during their first terms. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/29/ob...#ixzz2CCnmWosZ

Good move... he probably only lost one customer. Kind of like a liberal store owner telling conservatives they can't buy any Obama merchandise.

This is just TOO funny. We must be getting under the skin of liberals: W.H. Petition Calls for Stripping Citizenship and Exile for Anyone Who Signs Petition to Secede The Weekly Standard ^ | 11/13/12 | DANIEL HALPER Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:40:30 PM by Evil Slayer A White House petition gathering force calls for citizenship to be stripped and exile for anyone who signs a petition in favor of a state's secession. "Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported," the full petition reads. The title of the petition is, "WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them." As of this writing, 2,205 have signed the petition; 22,795 more signatures are needed for the issue to be addressed by the White House. (Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2959068/posts The remarks are hilarious. Keep it up folks, it seems that any referendum that goes against the messiah ticks them off.

Either the search feature stinks or there are no other threads on the topic "evacuate". Could you post the link? I'm curious to know as well.

I live in PA as well but got a PA LTCF as well as having my FL CCW. The main reasons: 1) You can carry in a state of emergency 2) You don't have to stay 1000' from a school. I live about 750' from a school if you cut through the woods so I did not want to take a chance. Also, it took me 20 minutes and $20 to get the LCTF in PA. Also adds about 4-5 more states to compliment the FL CCW.

Better yet, how about we continue to let government make silly laws because they don't "pertain" to you? I'm sure you're familiar with the phrase: -First they came for the communist, but I was not one so I did not care. Then they came for the socialists, but I was not one so I did not care, then they came for the Jews, but I was not one so I did not care. When there was no one left they came for me.... I love the so called "tolerant" Atheists... "We're all equal, except those lousy Christians". You'll complain about a few laws from God but gladly support tens of thousands of man made laws. I'm amazed by the pettiness of some that are fighting for the same right "to keep and bear arms" that you'll bash those trying to protect the SAME Constitutional rights just because of Religion or some other difference. So your comment above is saying "screw those hypocritical Christians they don't have the right to carry on THEIR private property..." Man oh man... if we stay divided like this, we'll never get anywhere and both you and I will lose our God given rights! That aside, there is a Pastor fighting this in Ga after losing the case back in July. What I don't understand, this is private property so why couldn't he carry on "his" property? Kind of like me inviting people to my house then being told I can't carry. What's next, he won't be able to preach on certain subjects?

Was it .410 ammo? I know NJ considers some .410 ammo as "handgun" because there are a few revolvers (Taurus Judge) that can shoot .45 and .410 ammo. Other than that, shotgun shells (12 Ga, etc) don't require FID.

After 25 plus years in this state I was able to get out. But I hate to say it, I feel if Obama gets in again it won't matter which state you live in, the federal government will control it all.

Thanks for setting me straight on that... very good information you posted and good to hear. Moderator, if you want to delete this post go ahead.