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Good idea, I would hope the PDs would just go ahead & tell the NJ legiidiots that it IS a burden, and in light of recent cutbacks, they are unable to keep up. The whole paper process is just unbelievable in 2011, get with the program, NJ. Bob ,is there actually a written piece of legislation in the pipeline to fix this? If so what's the number?

Whilst I can see some admin stuff getting a little bit behind, the whole FPID/P2P thing has been a responsibility of PDs in NJ since 1966-ish. Whoever you spoke to at BPD that gave you such a flip answer, is not making themselves or their agency any friends among the voters in their town. I don't expect to be bowed and scraped to when I show u or call my PD about some admin matter, such as P2P, but I am always polite and respectful, and expect the same. Generally, if one is going to the trouble of obtaining firearms legally in NJ, they are not likely to be someone the PD will meet at a DV call, shoplifting, or selling heroin in town. You deserve a straight answer, ask the questions, such as, are my reference letters back, did Morpho send the fingerprints, what are you missing,etc. Call & talk to the LT/CPT/Chief, officer in charge, whoever. As far as being overburdened because of fewer people & more work, I sympathize, I am in the same predicament, as are probably many others. Edit--and I will say that Jackson PD was always helpful and polite and responsive when I called, even if it was the same story for weeks in a row.

I was ECM (radar jamming) on B-52s and A10s from 82-87, considered avionics. I did work in aviation electronics (radio, nav, radar, wiring & install of all that stuff) at Teterboro for 4 years or so till the big recession in 1991. Our company did the installs for all the stuff on the Maryland State police Aerospatiale (at the time) 365s, and the prototype USCG 365. Plus a number of MBB (at the time) BO105s for our friendly dictator in Iraq at that time, and BK117s & AS355 & 365 medevac. The whole general aviation biz went in the cr*pper in 91, and hasn't recovered much, at least from what I have seen in NJ. I have an FCC general radiotelephone license. Went back to school for EE at Rutgers after being unemployed for more than a year. Many fond memories of travels in europe, roasting & freezing on the flightlines, still in touch with two the people I spent the mid 80's with at RAF Woodbridge. That is probably the best thing about serving anywhere, is the lifelong friends--

When is she gonna crochet the baby clothes?

Seems I should stop the running and take up turkey hunting , I'll be injured less http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2011/12/07/fact-of-the-day-hunting-is-safer-than-bowling/

Well, I got the call today they were done finally & picked them up! I was sure I would be waiting till after Christmas I dunno what finally cleared the path, I did call yesterday, and there was no indication they were close to being done. So I dunno, maybe being the squeaky wheel the last few weeks did it. Or maybe the new CPT in charge of this is making headway clearing the backlog. Since I have had numerous BIs in the last couple years, maybe that helped as well. In any case, if you are waiting past 6 weeks, I would say call & keep calling, email the chief if needs be. Always be nice & civil of course. Mine were 78 days, in the past they were 60 or so.

Well, I called again today (Day 77) same old story--its in with the LT, who will then send to the chief. Anyone else? After the New Year, anyone that wants to set up an appt with the Chief, let's coordinate

So now the next time I call Jackson PD, I can ask if they are following the SOP? They don't do extra forms, but are taking forever. I wonder if there are timelines in the SOP? I'd rather see a complete revamp of the whole FPID/P2P process to eliminate all the stupid paper.

Oh, DUH, why didn't I notice that? I gotta pay more attention, thanks! Well, I was leaning toward the GB anyways, just for the look and the history of Henry, so I will check with our fine forum vendors after the New Year. This one will be for me, for now till my kids are able to handle it. Only one has shown any interest in firearms so far, but he's 4, so we will stick to water pistols for awhile.

Whilst the PD is doing a poor job processing P2P, I am looking at the Henry rifles in .22LR. I was talking to a chap at CJRPC indoor range last nite, and he mentioned his daugheter had the Golden Boy and he thought the feel was better than the black version of same. Not clear on if he meant the lower end lever gun, of the one with the octagon barrel & black receiver. Has anyone compared the GB vs Black at all? (H004 vs. H001T)

Sunoco is more expensive from what I have seen, so I rarely go there unless I absolutiely need gas. Good luck, I drive by that place on 295 a couple days a week on my way to my job in MD, for as long as that lasts. I hope your union leaders are raising a stink about this to the Obama people.

Chris, I emailed the Chief, asking why things are taking so long, politely, of course. I got an answer back that they are short-staffed and this is causing delays. I expected this answer, some NJGF-ers predicted this sort of thing several months ago, during the police layoffs that were going on earlier in the year. But he did CC the two former LTs, that were just promoted to CPT. I did reply, politely, of course, and asked is there was anything I could do to speed things along, noting my clean background. Have not heard back as of yet. Last time I talked to Carmen, before Thanksgiving, she did say that one of the newly promoted CPTs was being put on the Firearms processing duty. So no change, really. You might go ahead & try the lawyer route, and/or emailing the chief or the LTs/CPTs. I did talk with Mr. Pisano of Woodcliff Lake, he says not to bother with an atty until at least 90 days gone by. You are beyond that, as are others. I would guess an hr or two of atty time, plus mailing maybe 300-400. You'd have to ask him. As for me, at least I am on the radar, good, bad or indifferent. I will call again later this week. If this continues on past the end of the CY, I will explore the lawyer route. may be a waste of money, or I may send a letter certified mail myself before that. I am hip that some folks have retired and aren't being replaced, and the budget vote to increase taxes beyond the 2% cap failed, but I have to dirve to Aberdeen, MD 2-3 times a week, just to keep my job, things are tough all over. 4 months or more is too long.

Why not make the app? You can join us in the struggle, or better yet, get yer people you know on the inside to unjam the logs for all of us? You are OC SO, aren't you?

Unless the victims had some prior dealings with the deceased, I would hope that the OC DA in FL will let the woman go, the neighbor, maybe, but likely as well. The local cawps probably would be aware if there were associations between the parties for criminal activities, certainly the deceased is a frequent flier. I am sure they are not shedding many tears for the late Mr.Whatsisname. I would probably at least call 911 and get something ready to go, which would take a few minutes. If the chillens was with me, I'd keep them out of harms way first and calm them down

Libertarian, or Conservative party, maybe.I am not voting for any more R's simply because they are the least of two bad choices. That gigantic fat bag of stinking pus from Mendham that is called Christie attempting to sex the Ken Doll from Mass for a cabinet job if he wins makes me want to puke in a bag and send it as a contribution to the Stupid Party HQ. Fortunately, Romney will be beaten by Obama. I would rather see the current useless incompetent stay in there, where he can be marginalized, than see a fraud plastic-hair-smile boy get anyone's hopes up that there will be some kind of major shift in DC.

Big shock, NOT! That fat slob would sell us out if it got his corpulent arse advanced. If romney gets elected, usag christie will be happy to enforce a new awb.

Well, I called Jax PD on the way back from APG today, since I was on the road. As usual, the ladies were nice and polite, but same story. Everything in, just waiting for the Capt (now) to look at it. I asked who was doing these things now,and was told a newly promoted Capt was just handed this job Monday. Teee-riffic. Asked about the backlog and was told it is large, and there's one pile for the Capt review and another that has been thru that and is awaiting the Chief's sig. I don't know this for a fact, but perhaps the Jax PD has not been issuing any P2P/FID at all for the last 6 months? Has ANYONE in Jackson applied for and received P2P/FID since May 11 or so? I wonder if it might be useful to get the State involved, as in Assyman Dancer. I dunno if him or his office would even entertain getting involved in a municipal issue at that level, but who else is there to complain to?

A letter sent to the Chief would probably be first, and probably not too expensive, maybe an hour or two, with follow up. Couple hundred, maybe. A lawsuit would be wayyyy more expensive & time consuming, that's 1000s. Maybe get a discount or share the cost if there's several plaintiffs, if they can be found. I will try the calling of the Chief route myself, after my next call (o/a 1 Dec), in which I don't expect there to be much change. I am not hopeful I will get an audience with the Chief, but I will bug them about and leave messages as to why I am trying to set up such a meeting. Squeaky wheel!

Well, I talked with an atty today, they said it would be a waste to get them involved at this point, to wait another month or so and follow up frequently with the PD. So I will call to set up an appt with the chief or LT after Thanksgiving. If it were 3 or more months at this point, he'd probably take it up. You all that have been waiting 6 months or more may want to consider getting an atty.

I called today about mine, am about day 45. Got the same story, they are in for review, etc. I have heard of the duelling lawsuits (supposedly) between JPD and the mayor. They used to be pretty good. Whatever, I am not going to put up with this garbage. I have had security clearances since I was 18, and my TS/SSBI was just renewed again a few months ago, and had even more thorough BI for two adoptions. I am one of the people involved here in town, and I usually support the JPD, voted for their budget and all of it. I have a call in to Gary Needleman's office, when I talk with someone there, I will let the forumsters know.

Christie, that fat slob, will probably appoint her to the NJ Supreme Court. What does he care? He is angling for the USAG job in a possible Romney administration in DC.

Didja get the troll beads from White Butterfly?

Chris, That is interesting that she is blaming the mayor for cutting staff thereby prolonging the pain, apparently the war between the mayor & BA vs. JPD goes on. Perhaps because the mayor is a gun owner and CJRPC member, its one of the first things they are dropping off the plate? Tinfoil hat off now. In any case, war with the mayor or not, these things are a core mission of NJ PDs since 1965-ish. If this requirement cannot be resourced, then it needs to me brought up as an unfunded mandate (an NJ specialty!). Or something. In any case, griping on the interwebz gets us nowhere. I am travelling this week, when I get back I will call, and get the status of my P2P, and the name of the LT who is supposed to be doing these things. I believe ANJRPC has an atty around by us somewhere on retainer, I will contact their office and consult with them as to what a good COA would be. Maybe we'll have to wait a bit more, call more, send inquiry letters certified mail, or what, I dunno. But it would probably help if all of us who are having this issue with Jax joined forces. Will keep posting in this thread.

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