matt6669

Stop thinking and just buy it. The older 10/22's are a million times better than the new ones. They are all metal. I paid 300 for mine, for 125 thats a steal. If you don't want it, I'll buy it!!

It is soooo much more involved than a space and ventilation. You need a backstop. What's this backstop going to be made out of, steel et. You need baffles on the ceiling and the walls You also need stations and a way to get the targets down and back etc. From my research that I have done it seems the general concensus is that each lane will run you about 200k So a 5 lane range will be a cool million and that's using an existing space. This doesn't include all of the permits and lawyers your going to need to make this happen as well. If you don't have 500k in liquid assets don't even think about looking into you. You'll never get a loan to make it happen. The ROI is extremely low and a indoor range needs to be coupled with a gun shop as well. Welcome to another hurtle that you need to over come. Your best bet is to buy an existing range and improve on it if you really want to. You want to do an outdoor range good luck. The property will easily run you over a cool million for the space that your going to need. Then your going to have to build berms which isn't a big deal outside because you can just use dirt. But now your going to have to reclaim the lead and the enviro's are going to be on your butt to make sure your not polluting the ground and water around you etc. Opening a range isn't as easy as saying oh hey I want to open a range, I got this indoor space, lets put a ventilation system in here and call it a day. I've also heard that they won't let you put a range in any existing building either. You need to select your building where people won't be in the surround area because that'll allow you to use a less expensive baffling system. You also will need to demonstrate to the town that if a round is fired at the ceiling baffle the bullet has no chance of escaping as well. Then IF you get it built good luck maintaining it. You will be replacing lights, runners for the targets, motors etc because you get gangster wanna-be's who can't hit a target and instead destroy your equipment. It's extremely hard to start a indoor range from scratch and make it profitable.

I'm not worried, you old folks will break your hips if you try to run

HAHAHA yeah I know that sucked. Those things come whipping out of that PSL. I was being nice and giving him the more room on the bench well b/c he's old and a little over weight But lesson learned. But even still getting pelted in the face it was an awesome day. Some limbsavers are on my list of must buy's before my next shooting session. Man did cleaning those guns at 1am really suck last night though!

That's because that said guy goes around and collects all the brass for himself. I woulda told him to eff off

Most definitely. And find out about the skeet houses. Now to go clean milsurps except I don't have any ammonia based products in the house UHHHHH

Don't know, the range had just gone hot, I had put a round in the Mosin, closed the bolt, and the guy came over the loud speaker and said there is an emergency cease fire please unload and step back. We stood around for 30 minutes with no one in sight doing nothing. So something might of been going on the other side of the berm but we don't know. And they never gave us the time back. so the let the range go hot, and he goes there are 5 minutes left in this sessions before we had gone cold again, it was SOO stupid. But oh well

Of course I'm alive. This place is boring without me Good seeing you John. I wish I could get down by you guys more often!

It's a nice setup. We lost some time because of an emergency cease fire that we never got back but besides that it's not too shabby. Was a little nippy out there but not bad. I do like the skeet houses though!

I'm out for this weekend. I forgot I gotta go to my buddies parents house and move the rest of his crap out. BOooooo

Still not legal to pull out your gun according to the pamphlet that Florida sent me. He would either have to have a deadly weapon or be coming at you saying those things for you to take out your weapon. And at that point your shooting to kill, not to get leverage in the situation. Law laws laws bahh

According to the state of Florida, you just committed a crime by what you've told me. A. you pulled out a gun to "leverage" an argument. B. You pulled your weapon out when no immediate threat to your life was present. Words are not a threat, he must posses something to prove he intends to carry out his threat.

Sounds like it might just be quicker to wait the 30 days, this is NJ nothing gets done quickly!

The one that I had, for being a shepard, anyone in our family could push him out of the way and eat his food and he'd like like ok. Someone came to that door though, and ohhhhh good lord you poor child. We didn't get trick or treaters for 10 years Very very loyal dogs. As long as they are trained properly you will never have a problem with them. But once again they are pure breds so they have the wonderful hip problems etc etc. Surprisingly mine made it to I believe it was 12 and no hip problems. That was my buddy buhh

No problem, now where's my XD? And where's my Virginia permit, grrr I thought I was going to get that one first.

You are correct in your assumptions. You show up, go into the clubhouse into the main lobby area. They are going to talk to you about proper gun safety and the rules of the range. I think they show you a video. You fill out paperwork, you give them money, they give you a temporary pass until your real one comes in the mail and off you go. Excellent place to shoot, I've never waited for a stall and the RO's are all top notch guys. I'm on first name basis with most of them, and they are always willing to answer a question etc. I'd offer but I am away this weekend in Howell doing some milsurp shooting. Some of the other guys might be interested in showing you around, theres a lot of us!! Welcome to the group and I better see you out there come the first break in the ice for our monthly get togethers!!!

Bad Troy, that's my dad your talking about!

Yip that one has been bookmarked before I ever applied But thanks for posting it in the thread for others to benefit. I just heard that Florida got rid of Nevada though, not like I'm going there anytime soon!

Come on Dad, I want to inherit a gun!

That's kind of what I figured BBK. If I was drawing a gun, I'd have at least one shot off before he actually knew you were drawing a weapon. Maybe that's what they mean by this. Don't try to de-escalate a possible death situation by taking out a gun. Only by using deadly force may you de-escalate the situation. Kinda goes along the lines that a CCW'er is not a police officer. A CCW'er is to only take his gun out to use in a lethal manner whereas cops sometimes use their weapon to de-escalate a situation if it comes to that. Very interesting to see all the little situations that are very possible and the thought process you must accomplish and be confident in before you take your gun out on your personal self with other human lives around. M

I mean realistically I guess if your drawing your weapon, if you have actually practiced like your suppose to, prior to actually carrying. You'll have it drawn on target and should be pulling the trigger before he has a chance to drop to the ground realistically. But still interesting. M

Yes I know this. But in the situation I described it wasn't so much a flash as intimidation, more like protecting your life but he realizes he's going to lose so he gives up.

hmmm interesting. I guess you would be defending yourself but I wonder how that would hold up. Where are all our cop buddies, I'm curious to see how they interpret it!

No because that is illegal as well. And I also think you need to guarantee you will shoot the person and either kill or cause major bodily harm if you are to take your gun out.

So I received my Fl CCW permit today in the mail and I'm reading the accompanying paper work that came with it and I came across and interesting fact that I would like to share with everyone, actually two facts. First, Florida considers an unloaded handgun pointed at a person a deadly weapon. Never knew that. Not that I would just funny that's the way its defined. Secondly, from what I am reading if you un-holster your gun, and don't fire a shot you can be charged with aggravated assault which carries a 3-year prison sentence with no early parole. Now you say why do you find that interesting. The first scenario that comes to my mind is this. Someone is attempting to rob you and has you at knife point but they are standing a foot or two away to not cause an out-right altercation. According to Florida, because the person has a weapon, and would be threatening you, you are now allowed by the state of Florida to use deadly force on him because you are afraid of death or serious bodily harm. So you take your gun out and this is where the problem lies. Everyone knows you don't bring a knife to a gun fight. So lets just say for arguments sake, you take the gun out, and the guy drops to the ground and lets go of the knife. He's now giving up the fight because he knows if he tries to stab you, your going to shoot him. But according to the state of Florida, you technically can be punished up to three years because you did not shoot him. Does this make any sense or am I reading into this too much. I mean I understand its a hypothetical question but I could definitely see it happening. Discuss!!!!