looking at one of my purchasers permits, where you fill in the sale date you would not be able to purchase another handgun for 30 days from that sale, considering you are issued more than one. :roll:

There are new permits now? that was quick.

can you elaborate on that? its still a bit vague the way you described it.

when you purchase your gun and fill out the permit you put the purchase date in the window provided, 30 days from that date you can purchase another one.

 

make sense?

If you have two permits and buy from two different places, how is the second place going to see the date from the first permit? It it like a code of honor thing? Is the state going to raid your house and take all your guns because you bought a gun on day 29? I am not trying to bust your balls, just trying to figure this out.

when the local and state police get your copy back all they have to do is look at the permits and check the date.

Compliance is incumbent upon the purchaser as in all laws.

Compliance is incumbent upon the purchaser as in all laws.

Which is exactly why all these laws are completely pointless and only affect the law abiding citizen.

When you purchase they call it in to the state, don't they? A second try in 30 days would get caught at the NICS check, I think.

When you purchase they call it in to the state, don't they? A second try in 30 days would get caught at the NICS check, I think.

 

NICS records are supposed to be destroyed.. something like 48 hours after the call I believe.

 

No NICS required on a private sale.

applied today myself and was also told the same as my brother only one permit and he said nics is keeping track of the sales..

NICS can only keep track of dealer sales, not face to face transactions. The permits go back to the issuing authority and the Data Reduction Unit. These are the people who will do the "snagging".

 

BTW, the PD should NOT be limiting you to ONE permit at a time. Suppose you were to change your mind and decide that you want a different handgun the next day. You have a right to go back to the dealer and trade it in on a different one and use another permit. It is written in the law that Korslime signed already.

I just figured out that I have to get my wife to get an FID and some PP's! :doh:

But we cannot do a FTF on handgun sales. They must go through an FFL.

I don't know if that is correct? Paul or Tony, can you answer this?

But we cannot do a FTF on handgun sales. They must go through an FFL.

 

You seem to be slightly misinformed.

 

From a NJ resident to a NJ resident, you absolutely CAN do a face-to-face transaction. The buyer needs to have a pistol permit just as if he was buying from a dealer.

 

If you are going across state lines, then yes, the pistol must be shipped or brought to an FFL dealer who is in-state.

John. I believe I may have been wrong. I tried to find the law to cite and see no prohibition. Perhaps I have fallen into yet another urban legend trap. I see nothing in this section precluding a FTF handgun transfer. Experts please speak up!

 

N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.8 Written certification; delivery of permit to purchase

(a) Any person receiving, purchasing or otherwise acquiring a firearm by exhibiting a firearms

purchaser identification card shall sign a written certification on form NJSP 634, which shall

indicate that he or she presently complies with all of the requirements for obtaining an identification

card and does not suffer from any of the disabilities set forth in this subchapter. The certification

shall contain his or her name, address and firearms purchaser identification number or dealer's

license, and any other information deemed necessary by the Superintendent. If the seller is not a

licensed dealer, the certification may be retained by the seller or it may be filed with the chief of

police of the municipality in which he or she resides or, in all other cases, with the Superintendent.

The seller shall retain the certification if he or she is a licensed dealer.

(b) A permit to purchase a handgun shall be issued to the applicant in quadruplicate. Prior to

receiving a handgun from the seller, the purchaser must deliver all copies of the permit to the seller,

who shall complete all of the information on the required form. Within five days of the sale the

seller shall forward the original copy to the Superintendent and the second copy to the chief of

police of the municipality where the purchaser resides; provided that in a municipality having no

chief of police, the second copy shall be forwarded to the Superintendent. The third copy shall be

returned to the purchaser, and the fourth shall be kept by the seller as a permanent record.

 

EDIT: Looks as if I am in error. Sorry for the confusion factor!

You must be from the NJHunter.com forum. I've seen much misinformation posted there. :roll:

You must be from the NJHunter.com forum. I've seen much misinformation posted there. :roll:

 

 

Not to mention how pissy the worst offenders get when corrected.....even when you do it nicely.

Hi PK90

 

Yep - I've been there for awhile before I just discovered NJ Gun Forums. Thank God! I also read the PAOFA and often wished there was a NJ version - without the major flame storms. I can't tell you how glad I am to have found you folks.

First of all, hello everyone. I'm a new member and this is my first post. Very happy I found you guys.

 

I realize that there seems to be far more questions on this subject than answers, but I thought maybe if I stated my situation and asked concise questions, I may have a bit more luck finding an answer than the countless hours I've just spent trying to get on the phone with the SP and Googling until my head ached.

 

On 02JAN2010, I purchased a used Glock 21 from Cabela's in PA. They shipped the firearm to a NJ based FFL located near my home in Jackson Township. Using one of my two handgun purchase permits (I applied for these in October), I took possession of my Glock on 11JAN2010. Upon receipt, I followed up with vigorous operation and I found the gun to be undesirable and possibly defective (a story for another post). On 13JAN2010, I returned with the Glock to Cabela's, whereupon examination, they concurred with my assessment and promptly issued a reacquire of the Glock 21 and an exchange for a Springfield Armory XD .45. I called Cabela's today to check status and the new firearm was shipped to the same FFL as the Glock 21. It was shipped overnight, but I do not expect to be able to take possession of the SA XD until Tuesday at the earliest, due to the NJSP telephone requirement and that is only if I can find an answer to my questions ... which are:

 

1) "What steps, if any, can I take to ensure that the State of NJ recognizes the fact that while it may appear that I am coming into possession of two handguns in a single month, I have actually relinquished ownership of the Glock and wish to take ownership of the SA XD, for a net total of 1 handgun? If this cannot be done, how do I properly ask permission to buy two in a single month?"

 

2) "Do I need to use my second valid handgun purchasers permit to take possession of the SA XD, in effect wasting my first permit, or can I somehow reuse the first permit for the SA XD?"

 

I have been unable to contact my FFL to pose these questions, but after an exhaustive phone and internet search, I have come up with no answers and I am really hoping you folks can help.

 

Thanks,

 

Rich

Rich, welcome to the forum and congrats on your pistol purchase. I think you will be very happy with your XD, quite a few of us on the forum have them and they are great guns. While I can not answer the time line question, I can answer the permit one. Yes, you will have to use your second permit to pick up the XD. New Jersey is a wacky state. If you decided that you did not like the Glock and took it to your FFL to sell it for you on consignment and then changed your mind and wanted to get it back, you would need to get another permit to get your own gun back!

 

We have several GREAT FFLs on this forum and I am sure one will answer your other question in short order.

Rich,

 

It's another gun therefore it requires another permit.

 

There might have been another way around the burning of the second permit if you had returned the gun to Glock and the factory determined it was defective and not fixable and supplied you with a replacement gun of the same model... But I'm not sure on that.

Gentlemen,

 

Thanks for the extremely fast replies! I really do appreciate your attention in these matters.

 

Ok, so it looks like I'm going to use up that second permit. I'll have to live with that. Can always apply for a new one.

 

Hoping to get an answer on the first question. Apparently, dissemination of information to FFL's is horrendous on the issue, as I now have my FFL friend attempting to get the right answer on this one.

 

And John, I am really looking forward to putting some rounds through the XD. I am reading good things and cannot wait to get it. :clap:

 

Thanks again All!

 

Rich

im actually shocked that your glock didn't function, the previous owner must have tried to play gunsmith with his gun. http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?op ... view&id=90 This torture test was what convinced me to buy mine. good luck with the XD. I wish this state didn't punish innocent gun owners but unfortunately in their eyes were all criminals. sorry to have to

You should keep the glock - get it fixed. wait 30 days and buy the XD. Why "waste" a permit...

+1

IronSights,

IF, you returned the Glock to the dealer who transferred it to you, you could have used the second permit within the 30 days, as per the recently passed bill which Korslime signed the other day. BUT, you now need to wait until 11FEB2010 to take possession of the Springfield. :cry:

applied the other day and the dept still only doing 1 at a time, told me i can apply for another permit 30 days after this one, this sucks..

applied the other day and the dept still only doing 1 at a time, told me i can apply for another permit 30 days after this one, this sucks..

That blows. did they give you an idea how long it would take to get the permit?