Bob2222

As I read it the factual errors in the ruling begin with the first sentence. (Any thoughts about starting a WH petition for Sessions to open a Civil Rights investigation? "If you gather 100,000 signatures in 30 days, we'll review your petition". ) Mass AG said she wouldn't enforce this against owners (one reason the judge used in supporting his decision) so it becomes more problematic for the rest of us than current Mass AR and AK owners. And I don't blame Reagan -- it's Massachusetts and a conservative would have been "Blue Slipped" by the Senate. This is a PG in California, but (apparently) not in New York, and (apparently) is now if you want to buy an AR in Mass but not if you already have an AR in Mass. Yes, this is a mess!

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/02/nj_homicides_in_2016_1.html Homicides drop 4 percent; see how many each N.J. county had Updated Jan 3, 2018; Posted Feb 5, 2017 New Jersey homicides, 2016 The total number of homicides in New Jersey in 2016, by county, compared to the homicide rates in 2015 and 2014. County 2016 homicide total 2015 homicide total 2014 homicide total Atlantic 20 19 12 Bergen 7 12 13 Burlington 19 6 8 Camden 44 39 46 Cape May 0 2 2 Cumberland 12 17 17 Essex 126 143 117 Gloucester 5 2 2 Hudson 29 30 25 Hunterdon 0 0 0 Mercer 25 20 35 Middlesex 8 13 10 Monmouth 6 9 5 Morris 2 2 5 Ocean 7 9 4 Passaic 20 24 32 Salem 5 2 2 Somerset 3 5 5 Sussex 0 1 0 Total 361 375 361 Union 22 21 18 Warren 2 0 2 Totals provided by county prosecutor's offices. https://www.app.com/story/news/investigations/data/analysis/2018/03/05/gun-sales-licensed-gun-dealers/383106002/ Roughly correlates (inversely) with the number of FFLs per county. Essex is #1 for homicides (126) and #21 for FFLs (6). Ocean is #1 for FFL (42) and had 7 homicides. Monmouth is #2 for FFL ( 38) and had 6 homicides.

Except it is. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2017/04/every_gun_violence_incident_in_2015_on_a_single_ma.html

I think it's more than "Gun rights advocates" who should question the effectiveness of the new order. It's "anyone who's not high on weed" who should question the effectiveness of the new order.

http://newjersey.news12.com/story/37894954/gov-phil-murphy-to-sign-executive-order-on-gun-safety-in-asbury-park https://www.app.com/story/news/crime/jersey-mayhem/2018/04/06/murphy-signs-executive-order-show-new-jersey-gun-violence-data-public/493466002/ How does it "strengthen gun laws in New Jersey"? Given the description, I half-expected him to send out the Redcoats to go house-to-house.

How is turning law abiding citizens into criminals going to help prevent gun crime? That would be an excellent question! Wondering if there was more to this: That maybe Murphy planned to announce something else -- and one of his aides said, "Uhhhhh, Gov., I don't think that you can DO that! It's illegal!" We can find the gun info in about a minute on the internet. It's not believable that nobody in Trenton could find it.

Rhetorical answer! (Plus to divert attention from the fact that in the midst of New Jersey's fiscal train wreck, he spent $13K in taxpayer money on a door for his wife's office.) http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/04/gov_murphy_just_spent_13000_on_a_door_for_nj_first.html

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/where_nj_criminals_get_their_guns.html This map shows the top sources for crime guns recovered in New Jersey. Pennsylvania was the biggest out-of-state source, with 370 weapons, followed by Georgia (203) and North Carolina (192). Another 29 states and the District of Columbia accounted for 215 other traces.

Virtue signaling. Plus Murphy thinks he actually has a chance to become President.

That day was years ago. It's a slow-motion train wreck. Which State Will Be the First to Suffer Fiscal Collapse? https://fee.org/articles/which-state-will-be-the-first-to-suffer-fiscal-collapse/

My P35 (introduced in 1935) Browning Hi-Power came with 2 x 13 round mags. (They are going to live in America with my daughter until she inherits the pistol.) Between 1994 and 2003, during the years of the old AWB, everything came with 10 round magazines. It didn't have any measurable effect on anything. Magazine limits are at best virtue signaling and probably nothing more than stupidity, and this won't have any measurable effect on anything, either. Except the price of 10-round magazines on E-bay.

Except of course, that (thanks to Obama's BATF !), short-barrel not-a-shotguns are legal today in 2018! (Mossberg 590 Shockwave & Remington Tac14.) See also Caetano v. Massachusetts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caetano_v._Massachusetts Now substitute AR15/AK47 for "stun guns" in the first and second reasons in the opinion. (If reason #1 and reason #2 are true, then it follows Massachusetts #3 reason for banning actually supports private ownership of AR15/AK47s.) My guess is that the SC has been reluctant to address each and every bad 2A lower court decision that comes its way after 28 years of post-Reagan judicial appointments, because they don't have the time, and also because Kennedy has become a squish. Trump needs to appoint a couple more SC justices. And hopefully, three. Then the SC will (hopefully) smack all of this nonsense down.

I'd say "all ____ politicians". There are few places on Earth where calling someone "a politician" is a complement. The last time that New Jersey had a conservative governor was 1944. (Charles Edison. Thomas Edison's son. He was a Democrat.) The bad decisions that made the state what it is today go back before most were even born. I think we're going to see most of features of the bills that Christie vetoed, beginning with 10 round magazine limits on SA firearms, because Sweeney thought that they were a good idea at the time, and probably still thinks that they are a good idea. Or at least not a bad idea. The NJEA (and, in effect, Murphy by staying out of it) attempted to defeat Sweeney in 2017 and he still won his district by 18 (eighteen) points. Sweeney knows who's going to be blamed as the state's fiscal slow-motion train wreck unfolds, and it's not going to be him.

Look to the last NJ gun control bill, the one that Christie vetoed (mildly surprising me, but he was running for president) and the legislature sustained (mildly surprising me, but Christie must have twisted some arms). IIRC it was mainly Sweeney's pet bill. There seems to be bad blood between Sweeney and Murphy (and the NJEA, which endorsed a Republican to run against Sweeney last year. Sweeney still won it by 18 (eighteen) points. http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/11/njea_failed_bid_to_defeat_steve_sweeney_electrifie.html) Sweeney knows that Murphy is only going to be there for 4, maybe 8 (*) years. Then someone else. There really is no solution to NJ's financial problems without angering more than half the residents of the state. Now Murphy is going to be "the one". * The last time a Democrat won a second term election for NJ governor was Brendan Byrne in November 1977. Surprising, considering how deep blue the state is.

Legal firearm owners. There are many (probably too many) firearm owners in Trenton, Camden and Newark, and they are generally not conservatives. Losing the tax base should concern the politicians in Trenton. NJ's highest paying taxpayer moved his residence to Florida and it sent Trenton into a panic. https://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbrown/2016/04/18/new-jerseys-revenue-instability-exposed-by-david-teppers-move-to-florida/#7e98f0767309 I'd be happy to trade seven round magazine limits for Florida's or Texas' tax rates, but it never works out that way. The low tax states are generally strongly pro Second Amendment, and high tax states -- with a few exceptions -- are strongly anti Second Amendment.

My guess it happens more often than that, but it also mostly happens in Trenton, Camden and Newark and it's just one of a boatload of charges that are filed in a case. I am not a lucky person. Whenever I did something wrong in school, I managed to get caught. My last speeding ticket was in a speed trap that I knew about, and drove through 2 x every week. Pelleteri didn't know he had a high capacity magazine. He became a felon and lost his right to firearms.

STATE OF N.J. V. JOSEPH PELLETERI: https://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-published/1996/a339-95-opn.html

2/3 of the House and Senate. Then 3/4 of state legislatures. (Or 38 states.) I hope to see them run on repealing the Second Amendment in 2018. (That, and an open door immigration policy.)

The current legislative thrust is (historically) unusual. Not unexpected, but unusual. Over the years, New Jersey has generally been has been at the leading edge of new gun control laws. Until now. Suggest visiting the California and New York boards and seeing how they have been dealing with this for the last few years. (IIRC, most AR pistol grips are fastened in place with a single 3/16" Allen screw.) Need to read whatever NJ actually passes and read the NJSP interpretation of whatever they pass. Most features that they hope to ban -- and have banned in NY and CA -- seem to fit under Scalia's "common use for lawful purposes". IMO as a non-lawyer (but English speaker), most of the 8 or 10 anti-2A states have stepped well beyond Heller, McDonald and Caetano. But it could take a few years for the entire SC to get there. Sessions seems to be a 2A guy. Maybe this should also be approached as a Civil Rights issue -- petitioning the DOJ to come in on our side.

I don't think that ARs were all that common. Colt's patents on the AR had just expired and other manufacturers were just beginning to build ARs. Bill "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun" Ruger was still around at the time. The Mini-14 was available with a 20-round mag but it was only sold to military and LEO buyers. (Ruger finally sold the Mini with a 20 round magazine to the Free State public in 2008.) More recently, Cali and NY have also outlawed without grandfathering. I don't know what the status of any lawsuits might be in those states.

Compared to many other industries, civilian firearms don't seem to be a very large market. For one thing, they last a very long time. 100+ year old firearms can still function as firearms.

Small state (pop 624,594) with a bimodal population. Farms, logging, tourism ( tourists don't vote) and colleges/universities. The tax foundation ranks Vermont at #11 for State-Local Tax Burdens. It's above Massachusetts. Not very conservative from the tax standpoint. It's been almost weirdly libertarian about guns, but I guess it's mostly because they've been leaving the farmers and hunters (many from out of state) alone and the state has a homicide rate that's among the lowest of any state. Why fix a problem if you don't have a problem? I'd start to worry if Texas does this.

Chances this doesn't go anywhere once they hear from the state employees' unions? (Not to mention the effect on legislators' plans.) Pretty good, I think.

I remember that, too! Shooting galleries on the boardwalks! Drunks shooting in the shooting galleries! But there were never any mass shootings! (How do people teach their kids to shoot without a couple of .22s? Knowing how to change a flat tire, how to drive a vehicle with a manual transmission and learning how to shoot were basic skill requirements before moving out of this household.)

New C-Products 10-round AR mags are $13 or less. (Coincidentally, pMags are $13.25.) I suspect they more reliable than blocked mags. I know there is a principle involved -- but how much is your time worth? There are lots of 10-round pistol mags around from the 10-year AWB. Rather than than modify or (horror) destroy them or turn them in, I'm inclined to send any naughty parts (or firearms) that I might have off to vacation in America, at least until President Trump or President Pence appoints enough SC justices to rule that standard capacity mags (and ARs) are, as Scalia wrote, in "common use for lawful purposes". (incidentally, if there is a class-action lawsuit against the state, I'm in for a couple of bucks.)