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If there is any kind of solidarity/mourners march to their embassy I may just go. I suspect all of us feel the deep pain I do about this and find there are no words for it. EDIT: seems they have closed them embassy in NY as part of this.

a D.F.F.?

Oh man, you NEED to post a pic if you have that!

New York City law authorizes deadly force to prevent arson and rape as well.

I'm sorry, I find this kinda funny. So funny I am hoping it is a joke. I appologize if it isn't. I imagine that would act as a parachute, or a spoiler, strapped to your back. It also looks like it would hang down beolow the butt. You would need a pretty short seat.

I love how the cop says "that's how cops get killed." Right, CCW holders not telling cops they have a permit until later is how he could have been killed in that situation. Nothing other than that was dangerous about the stop.

All I have to say is, you watch that video....wow. Guy shoots at you, you shoot him, scared for your life, then how many people show up? Tell me you wouldn't sh!t a brick with that crowd around you.

To all the police on this board, some one shoots at you take him out. No one is fooled by this "non-mainstream media" blogger fool.

I am all for the helping hand of welfare to help people get off drugs. It makes perfect sense. Any full time position I have accepted had me taking a drug test. Anyone on welfare should be expecting to get off welfare. You can't get hired if you fail the employers' drug test so why not start now? But lets be real here, the money saved is going to go to putting them through rehab.

As a former UPL let me just say EEEEEEEeeeewwwww!!!!

I think I have this right? You submitted for a FID and while waiting you turned 21 and decided to add the pistol purchase permit? It sounds like the Captain is telling you what I would have told you, pick up what you applied for. Nothing says you can't apply for a pistol permit once that is in. I kinda hear you in that you wish he could just change it, but it sounds like it was already well on its way before you changed your mind.

We agree on a lot but, no one is saying shoot first ask questions later. No one is saying that the presence of a firearm didn't make the difference. I AM talking about not making assumptions about how a person would react to the sound of a shotgun or that you know exaclty how many people you are dealing with. I really don't believe I am going to convince you of the concept, but I have always had an issue with blanket statements like "do this and they'll run, everyone says so," or in your case "because it happened to me." For example, I know too many people that learned how to react and maneuver based on what they hear. Not all of them took what they were taught and found gainful employment and the sound of a shotgun being racked is not scary. And the first mention of this, by you, was in response to a home invasion, not breaking and entering. Its an apples to oranges comparison.

Would a handgun or an AK done the same thing? No one knows. Is that what you think I mean? You keep saying "the guy." The main reason racking a shotgun to scare someone off is tactically unsound is that you have to always assume there is more than one.

The second one is more of the "might help if pulled over- but good to have if you end up on the pavement." I lock my BP when I have my laptop for the same reason.

Here is what I have considered but never tried. Use a back pack locked pistol bag. My link Locked back pack buy the ammo there is safest, but with saddlebags for the ammo and the locked back pack I think you would be good to go.

I don't assume that at all. I was trying to make a point that I don't see it as much as someone else might. But the discussion stemmed from a man that alleges being stopped 6 times for reasons he believes is only his appearence. Should he be consenting to a search in each case?

Profiling has its place of course. But in my time I had 78 soldiers rotate through my squad and a good many of them were not white. Their personal experiences were sometimes part of my reports. You can say it is media hype. Others call it personal experience. I had to make a report to my comander when a cop pulled over two of my soldiers simply because a white guy in a black man's car looked suspicious to him. It was wrong of him to stop them for that, and it would have been even more wrong if he kept them any later for refusing to consent to a search.

Actually, what we said was making a noise by racking a round in the hopes of it scaring some one away is a crap shoot at best and tactically unsound (no pun intended). But feel free to take bows through a peripheral discussion about different circumstances.

Point taken about personal experience, however it brings "profiling" into the equation and why a person would not want to simply consent to search. I don't have any personal experience with racial profiling, but then again I'm not black.

I just wanted to note how no one responded to this.

Guys like that have built up the facade around their friends and have to keep it going just to save face. In my experience it is good to get him alone and tell him " dude you have no idea what you are talking about and it scares me." as long as he knows you think he is full of sgit there is a possibilty you could get him on the right track. But if he has to save face and bs in front of a group I woud never go near it.

Reading all this I feel like an angel not having been pulled over more than twice in 23 years. However, LEO, should consider that there are stories out there, and they are true, where submitting to a search has been disasterous for no good reason. saying 99% of anything is fine, it's that 1% that we worry about. Especially in NJ, where I may actually have a hollow point in the trunk somewhere just rolling around.

No kiddin' Every now and then I get this little heart attack when I think "I have had my shotgun in a canvas bag in the trunk, thank God I didn't get pulled over." Then I remember that not only is that legal, but I don't have to consent to a search. People keep confusing it.

I hear you. I have had my single stage for a little more than a month. I brought 250 reloads to the range and policed up all my brass to check how they looked. 2 people came up to me and asked "are you reloading?" and gave me their brass. Don't wait for a crap load of brass. A box of 50 is good to start and take your time with. Brass is everywhere.

BAR ah who am I kidding. Would probably be a Gamo air rifle.