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this.. and my g/f shoots my 40s&w Glock ALL the time.. it is the FIRST handgun she EVER fired.. while i can agree that shooting a 22 would be easy on her.. does that really prepare her for shooting any real caliber? there is literally NO recoil to a 22 so if she gets used to that.. then shoots a 40.. 45.. etc.. it will likely scare the **** out of her.. I think it would. It teaches proper handling and trigger squeeze with little or no down side. She can get confident that she can hit what she is pointing at. I do think that it would be wise to expose her to a larger caliber later on the same day just so she knows what that is about. This would be important if you want her to be able to use your HD handgun but if not the .22 is better than dry firing learning good habits from the start.

They do it for the buck, not necessarily because its true. I have a good deal of close friends who finished up their pharmaceutical doctorates, and they have told me how shady that business has and is today. Its sickening, but its almost a necessary evil for many as society continues its 'culture of youth.' There was recently an announcement that the pharmaceutical compnaies are doing research to trumpet the reduction in violent crime over the last 10 years to advances in medication. Forget guns or police work, they want the credit.

Not allowed. The detective at the state police I spoke to was not aware of the statute and told me the departments can require what they want. Just a head's up for what you're dealing with. Have the statute on hand. 2C:58-3(f) "... There shall be no conditions or requirements added to the form or content of the application, or required by the licensing authority for the issuance of a permit or identification card other than those that are specifically set forth in this chapter." So now you are saying they can have me fill the extra paperwork out? "Not Mandatory" implies that it is at their option. "Not Allowed" is the key. They have no option, it is not up to them. It is not allowed. This is the thing that is getting under my skin, (not that you would want to bring this up to your PD) - The actual forms have a number. STS-033 and SP 66. This is state and state police document ID number. This other form most likely does not. How could it? So where are they getting this form from? If they are making it up they KNOW it isn't part of the state regulations. Look on the lower left side of the extra form they gave you. Is there any kind of doc number and maybe a rev date?

Actually it was part of the start of it.

You are missing the point, the guy is not asking for Giants staduim to be built in his yard, there is no need to politic and finesse or ego stroke to get what it your right. Wait at you own peril. No politician needs an 'ego stroke' to give this man his pistol permits within the law... I agree. They are doing something outside of their legal boundries. You calling them on it IS a fully supported position. It means two things; You know the law and you take it seriously. The OP's local PD likely knows this already and is using the additional form as a filter. If they haven't already been called on it they should be, and I bet they expect it. I suspect that many applicants either fill the forms out or quit and they like it that way, but they have to comply to the law if you call them on it.

exactly, so ask if they are planning to first. Why bring it up if they are not planning to contact your employer? They did not contact mine. The OP obviously read a number of posts here that indicate that not all PD's contact your employer so there is no reason to assume they will. Ask them.

Wait, stop, Time Out. WHy in the world would you tell someone to tell their boss and HR department about an FID application if you didn't have to? Forget that. If there is cause for concern in that regard simply state to the det. "Is it standard for this department to send a letter to my employer because if so I would like to give them a heads up." There is nothing more senseless than causing a problem at your job for absolutely no reason at all. I can understand the concern completely, you don't want your boss or anyone else for that matter to get all "Anti-Gun paranoid" and start wondering if you are looking to come in and wipe them out. But if YOU bring it up and the PD had no intention of sending a letter to your employer then you have just made the problem for yourself. We can all laugh about the absurdity of going straight to the Police to legally purchase a weapon after waiting for a month at least to commit a crime of such nature, but the fact is people DO think that way. People WILL get paranoid. Don't open the door to that unless it is necessary. To the OP, yes ask. It is a valid question.

zombie apocalypse is code.. Its going mainstream now too.. http://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Survival-G ... 1400049628

I think it is usually best if you get the forms that Maks gave links to in the stickied thread above regarding the process and call to ask when you can submit them. That way you are not making two trips and saves both parties some time. This helps you get the ball rolling on your own. Maks thread above told me more than any detective or police officer did when I started my process. I went with both forms (but with the mental health form in duplicate). The detective took the forms and handed me an appointment slip for the finger prints. This way the most important thing you have to ask him is how to pay the fee. The det. where I am said bring a check by anytime but I can imagine some would want the check at the same time as the paperwork.

And people wonder why ships are not given a free pass into Gaza. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/world/middleeast/08sanctions.html?pagewanted=1&exprod=myyahoo&adxnnlx=1276005615-BmUKWgpoo/s/LJzOphIiXw Just days after the United Nations enacted the 2008 inspection provision, for instance, an Irisl cargo ship bound for Turkey suddenly made a high-speed, high-seas dash up the Mediterranean to the port of Latakia, Syria. The chase came after a NATO ship, which had been tipped off that the vessel might be carrying weapons, questioned its cargo, according to an account by government officials of the episode, which was previously unreported. Next, Iran began using chartered ships from other countries, ones less likely to raise red flags. But that tactic ultimately backfired when the non-Iranian crews cooperated with requests to inspect the cargo. In three boardings, two by the United States Navy and one by Israeli commandos, authorities said they had discovered a virtual arms bazaar, including thousands of Katyusha rockets, grenades and mortar shells, believed to be intended for Hezbollah. New Flags and Names By the time the United States placed Irisl

I think you mean this thread; viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7600

Err, Might I be the first to say that just because you are holding a rifle you don't automatically get my vote? Freak? anyone with me?

I'd go back and kick the ass of the one that I stayed with for too long.

I doubt we really know what the old west was about at all. I remember hearing once how the the invention of window screens was considered "the greatest improvement to human sanity." Imagine if you couldn't keep bugs out of your house at night, ever.

A few years ago the NY Daily News tried to elicit outrage when the city opened a gym for the department of sanitation and giving the workers time to use it. It didn't work. Everyone I know read the story and realized that people that ride on the back of trucks only to jump off and haul garbage cans off all sizes into the hopper should be fit. In fact it is said that the gym costs far offset the costs of disability claims. I would guess that that public in general would support some sort of compensation for police officers to get fit, be it time to excercise or rewards for echieving a fitness level without actually requiring it. FWIW, when I was in the Army Reserves I wrote off my gym membership every year for 10 years.

a gym membership is a tax write off for most people that need to be in shape. If cops were actors instead of cops they would get the write off. But lets be serious here, why would you want to do that job and NOT be strong? I think most cops that aren't looking to stay in shape wouldn't be enticed with a free gym membership if one existed. PT test sure, give them the motivation and they will do it. Left to their own devices most people would slack off. I personally couldn't think of doing what they do with out at least the stress release of a good workout.

A little off the original topic . The super at my old apt was making dinner for his family. His wife wanted to go to a bar. He told her not to because he can't watch the kids and make this super duper recipe at the same time. They have an argument and the wife runs out of the apt screaming "call the Police!" the cops get there and she says he threatened her with a knife. The cops ask " did you threaten her with a knife?" He says no. They ask why did she say you did?". He says "I was cutting chicken in the kitchen. I had knife in my hand. She was getting in my face while I was making dinner for the kids and her! If that's a crime then you might as well just lock me up now." well, they did. The cop said " you can't just go around telling cops to lock you up. Now you get to go to jail." He was led away saying "great, now you get to stay in AND cook dinner." After he was gone she was crying "all I wanted was a drink!" she called her mom to watch the kids and make dinner then went down the corner and tied one on.

Acouple of days? 100% finished? There is so much to do. I am going for just a crap load of horse captures and knife kills of rabbits. Sure I could focus on all those letters on the map, but this is a free roaming world. There is plenty to do if you are curious. FYI, randomly hogtying prostitues and then untying them is going to make you an outlaw. ; )

don't miss the " Flyers/Blackhawks" match up either!

Aw you guys are no fun

http://www.theonion.com/articles/derang ... nge,17468/ Tragic

I have to admit I have been vexed by this as welll. Dum dum bullets expand, the E in EFMJ seems to make it positively fit the description. I do believe that having EFMJ in NJ is the same as having hollow points, despite what some gun dealers have told me.

Anyone else picturing Eastwood in Gran Torino?

I defer to those that advise talking to a lawyer and I see that is the route you are taking, so I am merely presenting this as an idea. I was in a similar position when I applied for my NYC permit. It asks if you were ever discharged from the military for "less than honorable conditions." When I initially joined it was as a Reserve soldier so my initial training was active duty then a release to the Reserves. You get a DD-214 after release from active and so I had one after 6 months of training. This one said my discharge was "uncharacterized," which is less than honorable, however totally normal for only completely Basic, AIT and then going to Reserve status. I used a NRA approved agent and he recommended that instead of just checking the box or writing in a date and time to write "see attached" in the space provided on the form for date and attach a note, which I did. The note explained the situation and long story short it was far better than sweating the "I have been drilling with the Reserves and I have a security clearence but I have this silly as DD-214 on record. I don't want to just answer 'no' and get nailed." As he explained, "see attached" will always infer that there is another page and if the two are separated the application would never stand alone with "see attached," written as an answer. forthermore, it would never have the answer yes or no. THey would HAVE TO find the attached note or call me. Your lawyer would know best of course and this may not even apply in NJ, but I would be interested to hear what comes of this

"The question was more than fair. In Chicago, the only people who are confident in their 2nd Amendment rights to bear arms are the criminals, the cops and the politicians." I love this line. I wonder though, are Chicago off duty cops banned from carry?