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The problem with schools and kid's today is the "you can't touch me" mentality. You treat people a lot nicer when there is a chance you are gonna get your a** kicked if you piss someone off. This also goes to parenting, when I was growing up if I talked back to my mother or father, I would not be able to sit for a couple of hours. That teaches you real fast to think about your actions before you do or say something. I'm all for "Let the kids work it out" train of thought. Back in the day you had a problem with a classmate, you duked it out and that was the end. However when you threaten to bring a gun in and shoot someone, that's a whole different story. And I definitely agree with Wojo. This kid should be expelled and be REQUIRED to get some psych evaluation before he's allowed back in any school.

Dirty diapers, Not sleeping for months Crying Screaming One of the best things that ever happened in my life. Congrats

Grab the nub with a pair of vice grips and turn it. It doesn't take a lot of force to turn it. Once the slide is off continue turning in the same direction while pushing on the opposite side of the "Pin". The take down lever will come out and then just replace it with a new one.

Couldn't disagree more, everyone says .40 is snappier while .45 is more of a push. Try the rounds in the same class of gun. Most of the people who shoot 45 do so out of a fairy heavy metal framed 1911. A large percentage of 40 shooters shot out of a small plastic gun. Of course the 40 will feel snappier out of a smaller gun. Try firing a 40 out of a 1911 frame and then fire the 45 out of the same frame. You'll find that the 40 isn't any "snappier" when compared apples to apples.

Hoppes is a brand of gun cleaning products that have been around for a long time. Many dedicated users. Nothing really special to clean your gun Need a pistol sized cleaning rod that you thread attachments on to, I would get a brass or carbon rod as these are softer than the steel of the gun and won't scratch it. Need some type of solvent mostly this is a matter of personal preference as there are a lot of good products on the market. The solvent makes cleaning lead, carbon and copper residues out of the gun easier. Need a bore brush, can be plastic or brass use it to clean the barrel and the cylinders, Some cotton patches to run down the bore to get the gunk loosened up by the bore brush. After cleaning make sure to oil moving parts as the solvent will also removed lubrication. If you gun is stainless, I have found the lead removing cloths do a very good job of cleaning the cylinder and around the forcing cone. DO NOT USE THESE CLOTHS ON A BLUED GUN THEY WILL TAKE THE BLUING OFF There are several videos on YouTube showing how to clean your gun.

I could use them.

Unless you are rich, do not use Hornady Critical defense to shoot paper targets. I'm not saying the Hornady is bad ammo, just too expensive to shoot paper. Any reasonable quality FMJ round is good to shoot targets. For the Home defense side buy a couple of boxes of what you think would be good and try them at the range to make sure they feed and operate your gun correctly. Then when you get home load up the mag with the HD/SD ammo and store the gun away.

At the absolute minimum pull the bullet from one and measure the charge. Do not rely on what was set on the powder measure.

Actually that's exactly what it says. The section you quote as the end all Paragraph 3 section 3 ONLY comes into affect AFTER you meet the requirements of PARAGRAPH 1 AND PARAGRAPH 2 And found in paragraph 2, is that pesky line about retreat if you can. If you can retreat and don't then that "nor is it justifiable if:" phrase kicks in and you are screwed. Read from the top down 2C:3-4. Use of force in self-protection. 2C:3-4. Use of Force in Self-Protection. a. Use of force justifiable for protection of the person. Subject to the provisions of this section and of section 2C:3-9, the use of force upon or toward another person is justifiable when the actor reasonably believes that such force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself against the use of unlawful force by such other person on the present occasion. b. Limitations on justifying necessity for use of force. (1) The use of force is not justifiable under this section: (a) NA (b) NA (i) NA (ii) NA (iii) NA. (2) The use of deadly force is not justifiable under this section unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death or serious bodily harm; nor is it justifiable if: (a) The actor, with the purpose of causing death or serious bodily harm, provoked the use of force against himself in the same encounter; or (b) The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take, except that: (i) The actor is not obliged to retreat from his dwelling, unless he was the initial aggressor; and SEE PARAGRAPH 2 REQUIRES RETREAT IN YOUR HOUSE IF YOU CAN (ii) NA (3) Except as required by paragraphs (1) and (2)(SEE HOW PARAGRAPH 3 DOESN'T COUNT IF YOU BREAK THE REQUIREMENTS OF PARAGRAPH2)of this subsection, a person employing protective force may estimate the necessity of using force when the force is used, without retreating, surrendering possession, doing any other act which he has no legal duty to do or abstaining from any lawful action. c. (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:3-5, N.J.S.2C:3-9, or this section, the use of force or deadly force upon or toward an intruder who is unlawfully in a dwelling is justifiable when the actor reasonably believes that the force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself or other persons in the dwelling against the use of unlawful force by the intruder on the present occasion. (2) (a) (b) THEN WE GET WAY DOWN HERE WHERE IF YOU HAVE MET ALL OTHER REQUIREMENTS YOU ARE COVERED, BUT SINCE YOU DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF PARAGRAPH 2 THIS MAY AS WELL NOT EVEN BE HERE (3) An actor employing protective force may estimate the necessity of using force when the force is used, without retreating, surrendering possession, withdrawing or doing any other act which he has no legal duty to do or abstaining from any lawful action.

Yes, but their relatives do.

Read 2(b) I guess the issue is I consider leaving one room and going to another retreating (ie retreat from your living room to another room), you consider retreating to be running to a neighbors house.

I guess you didn't read 2b. (2)(b) The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating (2)(b)(i)The actor is not obliged to retreat from his dwelling, unless he was the initial aggressor; and Could this be any clearer? If you are required to retreat by 2b and not required to retreat FROM your house, what's left? Retreat WITHIN your house.

You might want to read that again. Section 2 says you must retreat WITHIN your house if can do so with complete safety, you do not have to retreat FROM your house. Like I said if you are in a different section of the house than a BG, the case can be made that you can retreat within your house in complete safety, making use of deadly force not justified. The exclusion that you are stating (3)(3), only comes into play if you can not retreat with complete safety as required by section (2)

Might as well substitute the phrase "sensible gun control laws".

Extension?

Law conflicts with itself. A persecuter could easily have you brought up on charges because you didn't retreat within your own house. Examle: You hear a noise downstairs in the middle of the night, you grab your gun go to investigate, after a search you find a drug addled BG who lunges for you. You shoot to defend yourself. The persecuter claims you could have stayed in your room in perfect safety, and the BG only lunged at you in response to being threatened with a gun. Even if sanity wins out and the case gets dismissed or you are found innocent guess who is out a huge wad of cash paying lawyer fees. And then lets not even mention the civil suit that is bound to follow.

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I know you said you were looking at 2 particular guns, but if you are looking for other suggestions, I would recommend you try a Sig 220. They have a similar grip size to the 92FS, all metal and extremely reliable.

Is this a trick question?

I got mine from Vinny at Hunting World. It's around $25-30 difference.

The places you went have a rep for being a little expensive. Go to http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/forum/92-firearm-price-request/ Fill in the blanks and you'll get a couple of offers. Got a Inox 92FS for ~$40 lower than any other place I found, that way.

+1 18 bucks every time application is processed 2 bucks per permit when you pick them up See it definitely makes economic sense to get 6 at a time

As to NJ gun laws, LAWYERS can't even figure what the hell the gun laws mean. And I'm talking the lawyers that wrote the damn things. For Reference: 2. Any firearm manufactured under any designation, which is substantially identical to any of the firearms listed in paragraph 1 above. As used in this definition, the term "substantial" means pertaining to the substance, matter, material or essence of a thing and the term "identical" means exactly the same. Hence, a firearm is substantially identical to another only if it is identical in all material, essential respects. A firearm is not substantially identical to a listed assault firearm unless it is identical except for differences that do not alter the essential nature of the firearm.

I'm not 100% on this but it varies from state to state. As far as I can tell in Alaska, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, and Utah, you need to let the LEO know when stopped.

You don't need a LTCF to open carry in Pa, ONLY in Philadelphia. Since this rule is specific to Philly you would think Philly cops would know the ins and outs of it.