NJ609

Awesome choice. I have an XD40 5" and hope to get the same caliber in sub-compact just in case our horrible state is forced to allow citizens to concealed carry some day... They are amazing firearms, hope you enjoy yours as much as I've enjoyed mine!

I can't believe they don't see the idiocy in this....

I'm not sure what the laws are for concealed carry (if you are one of the holy ones in NJ with a permit) but I didn't think you could use HP. Also you are right about sheet rock, but HP still is a better solution than ball. We have 2 inches of firewall, and with the studs there's a pretty good chance of it not going through that as well as a target. I think that it's smart to be as safe as possible even if it's not foolproof.

BINGO!!!!!! At least we have one other smart person on here besides me Chad you need to build yourself a SAFE ROOM for all your guns that you don't shoot It is not that expensive to build a double thick cement walled off area in your basement with a cement "roof"! I'm going to look into that when I move.

You're not allowed to use hollow points in a crime, status as a LEO makes no difference if you're off duty or from a different state carrying under LEOSA Indeed! Plus in the area I live in, there are shared walls. It would be tragic to stop the threat in my house only to have ball ammo blow through a wall and hit a neighbor. Just another reason the anti's hatred of HP is so stupid!

1st thing that popped into my head as well. ****, I think we even have it in NJ, right? Yes but it's rather weak. You can get sued, go to jail forever, etc... Commie NJ DA's being what they are... But yeah we have one.

I always tell noobs that if something occurs that you don't expect, or you get confused by something one of the firearms does, make it safe & unarmed, put it down, and ask me to handle it. That way if there is a jam or something that an inexperienced shooter may not know how to handle, or they get nervous, we can come to a safe conclusion for any incident.

I've bought thousands of rounds in the past month, I think I've already done my part. Plus my safe is full. No kidding.

I use Golden Saber +P in my G17, but have heard to go light on the +P+. Don't think i have a verifiable source and the +P is good enough for me so I just never bothered to look into it more. I know for sure that +P is ok though. You could always call Glock and ask.

I have one in the mail that I'm eager to put on my Browning Citori. Good to hear the reviews!

What a jerk. Take away everyone's rights but his own. SWINE.

I hope to god not. This is still America for now, the companies can try to sell whatever they want as long as they are not breaking actual laws doing so. People can chose not to purchase it if it offends them, but I hate when the gov't gets involved!

if im woken up in the middle of the night by someone in my home.. and my g/f is next to me in bed.. its a pretty safe assumption that anything else in the home is fair game.. All I can say after being woken up by my security alarm at 3 in the morning is that I was cursing the fact that I couldn't see isht without a light. On my pistol, I may not use it depending on the situation, but I'm glad it's there now. And like you said, if you are in the house but not my wife chances are you're a target. And god forbid my wife has to use the 12ga then I want the light on and pointing RIGHT AT the stairs with the barrel of the gun. If something comes up, SHOOT IT. Don't go after it, just defend. The stuff isn't important, she is!

I'm going to try to go on the 22nd though. Hope some of you can make it then as I have yet to meet up with any fellow NJGF'ers.

This has been a great conversation. And you are right. EVERYTHING is a trade off. If there were one "perfect HD gun" then everyone would use it in every situation! I'd like to ask you what lights you have. I have a SureFire X200 and a StreamLight TRL1. Both light up EVERYTHING in the room just by turning them on, it's not dark at all. And the spotlight portion is enough to blind anyone not wearing black glasses. They key is to blind the target so the "extra" light only helps you, and not them find where you are.

I'd love to but we are having company on Sunday so I won't be able to make it. Doh!

I've been thinking about the pressure switch for the 12ga (don't need it on the XD) but since the shotgun is what my wife would use, and she doesn't get much practice, it would be one more thing to think about if the SHTF. The less she has to do the better her chance of success. Hell that goes for me too, it's not like I've had extensive tactical training. Trying to keep it simple! For her, I said turn the light on, rack the sucker, stand at the bedroom door and don't let anyone up the stairs. Anything moves up towards you after repeated warnings to leave our house, let em have it.

First don't shoot into the dark, you need to know your target, that's what lights are for. ANYTHING that you shoot in such an enclosed area is going to be LOUD, between not being used to shooting without hearing protection and you being in such a confined space your ears will probably be ringing for a while. However with your adrenaline pumping during the incident you probably wont realize your ears hurt until after the threat has subsided and you've had a moment to remove the oh **** factor. Much truth in your statement. I know there are arguments against it, but my HD pistol AND 12ga both have tactical lights on them. I'm not stalking prey, I need to see what I'm pointing the firearm at. Plus with how bright they are, perhaps god willing the moment of blindness will allow me to resolve the situation peacefully. And if not, the light will help me stay on target to do what I have to do to protect my family. That's really all you can hope for in a situation like that.

It's funny because of how true it is... We'd need like a billion dollar legal fund though to help us in court when we have to justify responding with force when 3 guys kick our door down and start to pillage our homestead... Yay NJ!

Healthcare needs to be fixed. THIS is not how to fix it.

Dude. That's not a problem. Seriously. lol As far as the hunting license, I don't have one. Yet. I think. Not sure if I'm going down that road or not.

I'm not saying I totally disagree with that guy but my lord that's bleak!

Where in the world do you guys go to practice with slugs, buckshot, or just not be cramped up indoors? I have some hardware I want to work with but BH is kinda limited due to the distance/noise factor. What are the rules for private property? I may be able to convince a friend with some serious land to allow me to blast for an hour or so if it's legal.

I just had a conversation with a gun hating non-educated in the ways of NJ friend and he flipped the f out. I really don't get why people who don't know ANYTHING about firearms or the difficult process of procuring them in NJ can even pretend to have a valid comment on this one. What if the guy wants to hang them on his wall? Can't do that in NJ without a permit right? But only people who have gone through the process know these things.... Good for that judge in upholding the LAW.

Hmm, must be some sort of AR15 that I don't know about. As far as I was informed they had MAGAZINES not clips? But I guess the news is always right, so perhaps I should write to my representative and ask for more gun control laws to keep these things out of the hands of such criminals!