Bob B

No problemo.B)

For FL, there does not appear to be a requirement as to when you took the class. Here's the statute: Link: http://archive.flsen...ns/0790.06.html Looks like it's fine for AZ also. No time requirement. Link: http://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/03112.htm

I could add a public poll to this thread so everyone cas see who's going. What do you think?

You're welcome.B)

You can send them an email and receive their packet in less than a week. AZ email page: https://www.azdps.gov/About/Contacts/Email/?c=CCW

FL is good for seven years. AZ is good for 5. It's good to have permits that expire at different times. Just in case you forget to renew one, your still covered by the other. Plus, laws change and reciprocity changes. It's good to have a few different ones because you will be less likely to lose a state when that happens. There are also some states that do not recognize non-resident permits from other states, but will allow non-residents to apply for their permit. These would be CT, NH and ME. Lastly, a state that you don't have may make a reciprocity agreement with another state that you do have. If you have multiple permits, you are more likely to pick up a state when that happens.

We'll miss you Jon. B) Hope to see you at the next one. Downrange, hope to see you there. This is going to be a good one. Something for everyone. I'm bringing my VA and AZ applications. I've been putting off VA for about two years and now that AZ is available, may as well knock that one out too.

We are going to have pizza as we did at the last meeting, recognizing that many have to miss dinner to attend.

Interesting As far as the gun control issue, he is doing that to deflect attention from health care to guns. However, he has underestimated just how many people have changed their views on gun control over the last 10 years. This will be a wildly unpopular move. Every time something like this becomes a big news story, I convince another 10 or 20 people of the follies of gun control. I welcome the announcement. I will be very busy explaining the facts to those that bring up the issue with me and loving every minute of it.

I updated the first post to show the time. The meeting and CCW program both start at 7:30 PM.

Firearms Training Expert Anthony Colandro and Attorney Dan Schmutter to be the Featured Speakers at the February 16, 2011 Meeting of the NJ2AS in Belleville, NJ The popular Florida CCW Licensing Program will also be conducted and expanded (described below). NJ2AS is very pleased to announce that our meeting for February has been scheduled: February 16, 2011, 7:30 PM @Gun For Hire's North Facility 75 Rutgers St. Belleville, NJ 07109 (directions and parking: http://gunforhire.co...tion-north.html) We are lucky to have two very interesting speakers for the event. Anthony Colandro is the owner and Chief Executive Officer of Gun For Hire. Pretty much everyone on this forum should be familiar with Anthony and his organization. Anthony is one of only six Master Training Councilors for the NRA and travels constantly to train law enforcement, celebrities and us regular folks. If you have been debating whether or not to take one of Anthony's classes, this will be a great opportunity to meet him and hear about his approach to firearms training. You can learn more about Anthony and Gun For Hire here: http://gunforhire.com/home.html Dan Schmutter is an attorney in Westfield, NJ that wrote an Amicus Brief for the Supreme Court Case Heller v. D.C. on behalf of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. You can read an article that Dan wrote about the Heller decision here http://jpfo.org/file...post-heller.htm and you can read his amicus brief here http://jpfo.org/pdf/...micus-brief.pdf. Dan recently appeared on Judge Napolitano's Freedom Watch and has also done work for the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs and has been a friend and supporter of NJ2AS. In addition to our guest speakers, we will continue our partnership with Gun For Hire to provide you with the very popular FL CCW station (details here: http://www.nj2as.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13). The exciting part is that we have expanded the FL CCW station to accommodate prints, photos and notary for ccw applications for ANY state. That means if you are applying for the AZ CCW, you can do your prints, photos and notary at our meeting. The cost is the same, $50 for non-members and $25 for members with the ability to join NJ2AS on the spot to get the discounted rate. FL CCW applications will be provided as before, but if you are doing another State, bring your completed application with you. Lastly, we have been paying attention to your comments and, therefore, we will be discussing two important projects that NJ2AS is working on that are not CCW related, but are, however, related to two of the most common complaints about NJ heard on NJGF and other forums that affect all gun owners. We will discuss this briefly at the next meeting during a "members only" session, because the information is sensitive. Your support and participation is important and appreciated. Without you, NJ2AS would not have been able to make such great strides in the last few months. Thanks for your support. Looking forward to seeing you there!

What do you do with a coyote after you kill it?

Good analysis. McDonald can be distilled down to the following 15 words: "The right to keep and bear arms for... self-defense... is fully applicable to the states." ...not, partially, i.e. only in the home or only at work or only with justifiable need. Self-defense is the justifiable need. Paula Dow will not be able to escape this.

Although highly unlikely, it is possible to get one that is work related, stamped "valid only while on duty." It's all in the letter of need. If you have had two attempted carjackings, then, if you have documentation, i.e. police reports, then you can use that to your advantage. List your responsibilities at work. List the attempted carjackings. Provide the documentation. Don't use the letter of need to argue constitutionality or any of that. Just the facts.

I would like to see the judges that are listed as plaitifs on the stand so they can be asked if they received any instructions from the AG's office on who they should/shouldn't issue permits to.

You may not even make it to NJ. If your final destination is NJ, then you are not protected by FOPA because the gun is not legal to possess at your destination. You will be risking getting arrested at the airport in CA when you check the gun and they ask you your final destination, if you say "NJ."

Bingo! Good ananysis, Bob. NJ's "justifiable need" is the equivilant of outlawing possession of a life preserver until you are already in the water, and of course, at that point, it's at home, or locked in your trunk. I'm encouraged by the AG's response. It is so flawed, I'm sure that was what SAF was hoping for.

Just currious. If Lautenberg's 10 round mag limit bill came with an amendment granting national reciprocity for any resident or non-resident CCW permit, would you take the deal? That would mean that anyone with a FL or other CCW permit would be able to carry concealed in all 50 states, D.C. and U.S. territories, ie Guam, P.R., U.S.V.I., American Samoa, etc. as long as it was not over 10 rounds. ...and, Would you take the 10 round limit if it did not come with national reciprocity for CCW, but instead came with national open carry without a permit?

Without traveling, the best you can do is FL, UT, AZ, VA, CT, NH and ME. If you travel to NV and WA, you can get them as well. You can apply by mail for TX buy you have to travel there for your training. With reciprocity, that gives you the ability to carry in about 35 or 36 states. The remaining states either don't recognize non-resident permits or don't allow non-residents to apply (or both), so that's the best you can do.

Once you get FL or AZ (no reason not to get both) I suggest that you get CT, NH and ME. They do not accept non-res permits so to carry there you must have that state's permit. They are easy to get, although CT does require NRA basic pistol or equivalent. CT is "May Issue" but will issue if your reason is self-defense.

... ah, but isn't that the moral equivalent of voting to convict a person who was helping runaway slaves? Ever hear of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850? Jurors refusing to convict those that violated the Fugitive Slave Act is one of the things that lead to the passing of the Fourteenth Amendment. I'm not worried about corrupt jurors, I'm worried about incompetent legislators and judges.

Interesting article, Bob. Thanks for posting.

Let's start from the beginning. Do you believe that the Second Amendment guarantees a preexisting individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense?

it is written by people who have literally no understanding of firearms.. it is written in a tone to demonize items without any consideration to actions and intent.. That is exactly why nullification is essential. What if all gun owning jurors refused to convict during cases of simple possession that did not involve criminal intent. That would send a heck of a message. lets harness all this energy on making change. Agreed, we're working on it.