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The PX4 is basically a plastic Cougar. Be generous with the oil on the rotating barrel and you won't have any problems. You will be surprised how little that gun recoils.

Welcome. Don't discount the ranges in Philadelphia. I go to Firing Line on Front St. Every week. It's only $100 per year, although you have to buy their ammo. If you are just shooting .22, it will probably be the best value for your dollar there.

Take a look at the Remora clipless IWB holster and be amazed. I'm going to do a review on mine one day... I have it for my PX4.

I own 10 15 round magazines for my Beretta 92 because Ft. Dix charges by the hour. I'd rather shoot than use my range time loading magazines. I usually like to load up the magazines the night before, and I normally shoot 150 rounds. So 150/10 = 15. I only have 2 for the PX4 and 4 for my 1911, but I just bought them and am still waiting for a shipping deal at CDNN to buy more.

Whoa... I suppose they could outlaw Synagogues, because I could just travel to PA to go to Temple.

I made my decision. Seriously, this whole Muller case decision today really made me mad. I'm donating some of the money to NJ2AS it once my wife gets her new floor (as per our deal). Frank, you have met me in real life. You can hold me to that.

Ok, In the past 2 years I went from having no handguns to three. I got a Beretta 92FS. Because I loved the way it looked and it also has a .22LR conversion kit. I got an Auto Ordnance 1911 because I wanted a "World War II ish" .45. I got a PX4 Compact because I love the way the gun looks, like the rotating barrel, and the price in the private transaction was right. I agreed to let my wife get a new kitchen floor. She agreed to let me have any budgeted leftover money. This comes to $677 and as it just so happens, I have one permit that will expire soon. Here's the problem: I think I'm good. I really don't want another gun. I don't see anything out there that really looks fantastic. I think all of the "basics" are met with what I have. I'm not interested in concealed carry, and if I ever were, the PX4 Compact would do that job just fine. I don't really own guns for home defense. It's a hobby for me, so I'm more interested in having fun at the indoor range in the winter. In the summer, I'm at Ft. Dix, busting clays. I tend to buy handguns based on their uniqueness (PX4 Rotating Barrel) or their looks (The 92FS) or their history (the AO 1911A1). I also don't particularly want to purchase another platform and have to worry about another set of magazines and ammunition (although there is one exception to this on my list). I already have two shotguns for clays, and two .22 rifles for me and my son. I'm not that interested in another rifle. So here is what I'm thinking: I don't want waste the permit. So I've narrowed it down to this: * .22 revolver. Maybe a 2" .22 like a Charter Pathfinder or S&W 317 * FN FiveSeven (I know its more than my budget, but I can throw in my own money) * Taurus Judge (if you can fire .45 ACP with moon clips) * Ruger Blackhawk 9mm/.38/.357 revolver * Ruger Blackhawk Convertible .45LC/.45ACP revolver * Buy another 92FS * Buy a bunch of accessories (a new light/laser for my Px4, more 10/22 magazines, .45 ACP mags) * Anything else you guys suggest -Or- Donate $500 to NJ2AS, and use the rest to buy a bunch of .45ACP for myself. I'm leaning toward the .22 snub nose revolver or maybe to the FiveSeven, just because I don't know anybody else who has one. So if you had $677, what would you do in this situation?

My own bias, I guess. I personally don't like ceding control, to the point where I didn't even take a Valium that was prescribed to be before some surgery had once. I just dealt with the anxiety and the pain without drugs. Maybe it's stoicism? I drink, but because I like the taste of wine, or beer or bourbon. I don't like getting drunk. Unfortunately, I'm running up against a wall with my knowledge of how marijuana effects people. I think that there are degrees of drinking. A couple of drinks over a couple of hours don't make you drunk. But I don't think that are degrees of being high on marijuana. I don't know. I've always assumed that once your start smoking marijuana, you are high. There is no gradual incline like with alcohol. I may be wrong, but I've never smoked it, and I've never really had a conversation with anyone who explained to me how Marijuana works. I suppose its not so bad when a college student with no responsibility does it, but when I hear my friends and neighbors talk about sequestering themselves in the sunroom or garage while their children are upstairs so they can enter an altered state of consciousness, it just rubs me the wrong way. It seems childish. Maybe I'm wrong, but It's a very hard bias for me to overcome.

I don't know. Cigarettes are legal and heavily taxed, but when was the last time you heard of someone buying black market cigarettes? I suppose someone could drive down to North Carolina, fill up their car with cartons, and sell them in NJ, but is the reward worth the risk? I think the same thing would happen with soft drugs if they were legalized. I think that a recreational drug user would still be able to qualify for a firearm the same way that a recreational drinker still does. I've never smoked marijuana, but I usually have a glass of wine with dinner, a beer with my steak, or some bourbon with my cigar. That doesn't make me an alcoholic. Although I think smoking marijuana as an adult is immature and foolish, I think that there is a difference between a guy who has a joint with his wife after the kids are in bed and a guy who is living in the gutter with a needle in his arm.

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Camden is an odd case. The city has a rough population of 77,344. That's about as much as Cherry Hill, which is right next to Camden. So why is Camden poor and Cherry Hill wealthy? I don't think it's a question of poor schools. Your school can be fantastic, but your diploma is worth nothing unless you can get a good job in your town afterwards. There aren't many factory jobs left in Camden, so that door is closed. I'm going to go out on a limb here and so some dime-store sociology and estimating. Why does a bus run from my neighborhood, the Woodcrest section of Cherry Hill, to the Walter Rand transportation center in Camden? This is the 451 route and it goes all the way to Voorhees Town Center. Do all of the Jewish mother want to hop on the busy to go shopping in downtown Camden? No, but all of the maids in Cherry Hill take that bus from Camden every day. Why does that bus stop in Westmont and Haddonfield? It's to let off all of the Hispanic kitchen workers to staff the restaurants in Haddonfield and Collingswood and the workers for Voorhees Town Center. If you are a lawyer in Cherry Hill, do you cut your own grass? No. You pay somebody else to cut your grass, because your time is a unit of production that would be better used at producing more of what you know: practicing law. That hour you spend cutting grass may be worth $150 in billable time to you. It's cheaper to pay somebody $20 to cut the grass for you. Every society needs a core group of people to perform labor for minimum wage. Camden exists because Cherry Hill, Haddonfield Collingswood and Voorhees have a demand for inexpensive labor. Camden is poor because we need it to be poor. We need it to be poor because we need the residents of Camden to perform the labor that wealthier residents don't do. Now, for all intents and purposes, dealing drugs is a minimum wage job. The hours are long, and the payoff at the end of the day is not very good. So technically, that corner drug dealer is not making much more than the restaurant worker at the end of the day. So where is that drug dealer going to live? He's going to live in Camden - the cheapest place he can afford. Camden also serves another purpose. Let's do the math. If we have 24,177 estimated housholds in Camden. The median income of Camden is $23,421 per year. This means that the theoretical maxim purchasing capacity of the entire city of Camden is $566,249,517 per year. Ok, so we have about a half a billion dollars to play with. Let's take a look at Voorhees, Haddonfield, Cherry Hill and Collingswood. Voorhees has a maximum purchasing capacity of $717,468,578 million. Cherry Hill's is $2,292,029,984 billion. Collingswood's is $270,405,025 million Haddonfield is $390,576,512 million. Add it all up and you have $3,670,480,099 billion dollars in purchasing capacity surrounding Camden. This is 6.4 times the purchasing capacity of Camden. Supply doesn't exist without demand. Are these drug dealers in Camden dealing drugs just to their neighbors? Some of them, maybe. But something tells me that lawyer that payed his landscaper to cut his grass bought some weed from him as well. I have neighbors who enjoy a little toke at night in the sunroom after they put their kids into bed. If you were a drug dealer, who do you want to sell your product to? Somebody on the streetcorner with $10, or somebody who makes $100,000 per year? Demand for drugs is part of the problem. So how do you "fix" Camden? Well, the first thing you have to realize is that Camden isn't broken. It's simply the last rung on the economic ladder. We need Camden because we need the cheap labor. But the residents of Camden also deserve better. Nobody deserves to be told that they don't have a chance in life of becoming anything other than a dishwasher, landscaper, or a drug dealer purely because of their birthplace. Would CCW fix Camden? Maybe. But I think that much of the crime comes from drug dealers killing each other. If the median income for a Camden resident is $23,421 per year and Glock 19 costs about $600, are we going to tell a Camden resident to spend 2.6% of his yearly salary on a gun? Oh, and by the day, take a day off of work as well so you can go down to MorphoTrak and wait to get fingerprinted. No, that's a cruel joke. CCW may have prevented the problem, or reduced it a little if it had been introduced 30 years ago. I could certainly see how arming black and Hispanic business owners could help, but CCW would be like putting a band-aid on arterial bleeding at this point. Nobody has the money to buy a gun except for the business owners. The real way to help Camden would be to increase Section 8 housing vouchers, so that the poor could live in the wealthier communities near where they work. This would help reduce the cycle of poverty. Reduce the exposure to drug dealers, and you reduce the chances your child will become one. This does nothing about demand, and dealers will always gravitate toward demand. Only legalizing drugs would fix the demand problem and that won't happen any time soon. I think I'm one of the token liberals on this forum, my neighbors are good liberals too. They are all for building aquariums and concert centers in the name of economic development, even if that money is wasted. They talk a great game about economic injustice, but they would become apoplectic if Section 8 housing was zoned in their neighborhood. So unfortunately, the very thing that would fix the problem would never, ever happen. So what are we left with? Build more jails and hire more police. We try to hit the supply side so that drug dealers decide that it simply isn't worth it to continue in business. Will it help? No. It's the worst and most expensive option. But it's the only one that is politically viable.

I've lived in Mt. Laurel, which I consider South Jersey. I've lived in Princeton, which I consider Central Jersey. I would agree with Andy B. Large numbers of Gians fans equal North Jersey. Large numbers of Eagles fans equal South Jersey. Equal distribution is Central Jersey. I can't say I've ever actually met a Jets fan...

The National Guard is not going to Camden. And there are three reasons why. The 50th IBTC, has two infantry battalions, and RSTA (calvary) battalion and and artillery battalion. They also have one MP company. These would be the people most likely to perform service in Camden. While I don't know much about military police, I know that one company of Infantrymen is about 120 soldiers composed of 3 platoons of about 30-40 men and one headquarters platoon. I estimate that the City of Camden would need about one company of soldiers to assist the police which would mean one platoon on duty for 12 hours a day, with one additional platoon available for Quick Reaction Force duty. By NJ law, any NJ National Guard soldier unit that is activated must get paid at least $100 per day. This happened after September 11th when the National Guard is was guarding nuke plants, bridges and tunnels. Odds are that companies would be activated for 29 day stretches because once a National Guard soldier is on duty for 30 or more days, the state is required to provide health insurance. So you have 120 men, each getting paid at least $100 per day. That means that the state needs to find at least $12000 dollars per day, and quite possibly more because a Sergeant or Lieutenant gets paid more than a private . Over 29 days, that adds up to $348,000 just in salary. Now let's add in food. Let's take a base rate of $6.00 per meal for a vendor contracted meal. 6x3 meals per day is $18.00 per soldier. Multiply that times 120 and you get $2160 per day to feed one company of soldiers. Multiply that times 29 days and you get $62,640. So now we're up to $410,640 per month, and we haven't paid for a drop of diesel fuel for the hummers yet. The State of New Jersey is broke. They don't have an extra $500,000 per month to protect Camden with troops. So that's the first reason. You could also, theoretically add in the cost to the local economy when you pull people out of productive, high paying jobs. I write computer software. I make six figures and pay 6.47% of my wages in state taxes. The state would lose out on all of the taxable high-paying income that soldiers would be making if they were doing their normal jobs - which tend to pay more than the military. Now add in the fact that many National Guardsmen are government employees (police/fire/teachers/government workers) who will be double dipping - but that takes some math and I don't have a lot of time here. Now here's the second: even if that money were available, the State Police would go absolutely ape. The State Police has a union, the National Guard does not. If a money bomb of $410,640 per month were suddenly dropped on Camden, and it was given to the National Guard, the State Police would have a conniption since that money could theoretically go to their overtime. Who do you think will win that battle? Third: If the National Guard were really let out into the streets of Camden, their Rules of Engagement would be so strict that they would have no function other than look pretty in green. Odds are that they would be given 10 rounds of ammunition per man, and they would not be allowed to patrol with magazines in their weapons. How do I know this? Because that was the ROE in Katrina. The politicians in this state do not want National Guardsmen walking around our streets with assault rifles. Either the Guardsmen would get killed because he couldn't load his weapon fast enough, or he would be forced to kill, which would result in investigations and news articles. Trust me, the National Guard is not going to Camden.

Yes, you are correct. I should have qualified my statement. When you get the PX4 it will come with 10 rounders an you will have to purchase the aftermarket magazines from Beretta. My friend had the same problem with the M&P9. His came with 10 rounders and he had to purchase the 15 rounders from Smith & Wesson. Now if Beretta only made a .22 Conversion kit for the PX4...

Take a look at the Beretta PX4 Compact. It's the Goldilocks of guns. Not too big, not too small. Just right. It's big enough to shoot well, but small enough for CCW. The rotating barrel soaks up recoil like a metal gun, but the frame is made of light polymer. Plus, you get 15 round Jersey Legal magazines instead of the 10 rounds in the full-size PX4. If you have a 92A1 that you love, you'll notice that the manual of arms is exactly the same for the PX4 Compact. It's worth looking into.

Seems like most of the questions here were answered pretty well. For other tips, I would suggest the following: If you buy a gun safe, find the one you want, and then get one that is twice the size. One gun becomes eight very quickly, and if you are married, your wife will start to use the safe to store Jewelry and other valuables. Welcome to the sport.

Welcome to the forum. One option for you is to do what I do: Join Ft. Dix and then go into Philly and join either Firing Line or Philadelphia Archery and Gun. You can get to both clubs about as fast as you can get to Hagues and they are both open late, so if you work, you haev more time to shoot. I know Hagues closes at 8:00. As far as I know, Cherry Hill doesn't send a letter to your next of kin. They only send a letter to your spouse if you are married or separated. What is your living situating like? Are you younger and living with parents? Older and married? PM me if you want. I'm probably going to Firing Line in Philly tomorrow and you are free to meet me there if you want to shoot.

Take a look at the PX4 Compact. It has the same controls as the 92FS, is a little smaller than the PX4 Full Size but retains the rotating barrel, and comes with Jersey Legal 15 round magazines. It's a fine shooter.

I think that it is pretty much tradition to move out of New Jersey and down to Florida when you retire. But I'm not going anywhere. Darn it, I like Cherry Hill. I like walking to services. I like living in a Jewish community. I like getting a hot corned beef the size of my head at The Kibbutz Room. I like going to a diner at 3AM and ordering pancakes, or lobster, or darn well whatever is on the menu at Ponzios, because they have it all the time. I like not having to pump my own gas. I like being close to Philly enough to go to the Walnut for shows. I like being an hour away from the $10 craps tables in AC. I like going to Margate in the summer and taking the kids to Gillians at night. I like being close to all of the tech jobs in Philly and Mt. Laurel We really are in a great state when you think about it, we just have to get rid of the corruption and tweak the gun laws. I want my gun rights to come to me. I shouldn't have to go to another state. I want to stay here and fight.

It started with self-defense, I suppose, way back in 1999. I remember standing in the bedroom of my Mt. Laurel condo scared out of my mind because I heard glass break at 3AM and I had nothing but a large flashlight to defend myself with. That's one of those things I call a teachable moment. I was an anti-gunner before that night. I remember going to the gun store and being told that I needed a permit just for them to take it off the shelf (I drove to Harry's - it was the only gun store I knew because they advertised on the radio). Like Homer Simpson, I was scared and defenseless. I needed a gun now, not whenever the police got around to letting me have it. I got the paperwork for my FID soon after I navigated the laws. I had one gun for years, and maybe went to shoot it once every six months. Then a perfect storm happened. I got my masters degree and I started working with a guy who was a former Marine who was into Glocks. Now I had time since I was out of grad school and I had a shooting buddy to go with. So I started to go once or twice a month. Then I started to buy guns for fun. Now I live in Cherry Hill, where I'm pretty darn confident that I will never use a gun for shooting anything more than paper - they are for sport now - clay games and cans, although I have been getting more into pistol. It seems to go in cycles that move with the seasons. During the summer I won't even touch a pistol and you'll see me at Ft. Dix busting clays. During the winter, I hibernate with pistols at Firing Line in Philadelphia. So sport, then self defense. I don't ever picture myself hunting.

I have a conversion kit for my Beretta 92. I think that most of the failures start at around the 300 mark because of all the gunk that builds up from the .22 casings. But its usually good to go again after a quick field strip and clean. You just have to be careful doing it at the range. I had the guide rod spring pop out during disassembly and and fly 25 feet downrange. Embarrassing to say the least.

HE CAME HE CAME!!! Moshe Pippen came through. A Hanukkah present was waiting for me when I got home! A Galco Yaqui holster for my 1911. Funny how the his handwriting seems a lot like my wife's, but I still believe! Be nice if Moshe Pippen brings us concealed carry next year...

Do you know what I'm waiting for? Moshe Pippin. He rides through Cherry Hill on his pedler's cart every year with his donkeys Shlomo and Yoni giving presents to all of the good little Jewish boys and girls. When I was a boy, Moshe Pippin was my family's in-joke. When I whined to my parents about a toy for Hanukkah, my father would throw up his hands and say: "And where will we get the money? Moshe Pippin?" But for some reason, on the first night, that toy I wanted would always be there. I'm stuck in traffic right now & tapping this out on my phone. I had to work late and missed the first night with my kids. But I hope he comes through for me...

I do not put any stickers on my car. Although I appreciate the irony that an NRA sticker would bring if placed on my hybrid. I do own a Beretta hat, which I love, but I don't wear it that often because my kids gave me a Phillies hat that I have to wear out of obligation. I also tend to wear 5.11 tactical pants every day, even to work (we are business casual, so they are worn with a polo or half-zip sweater). The 5.11 pants aren't making a tactical statement, rather the magazine pouch on the pants is the perfect size for my little cigar case. All that being said, I don't hide being a gun owner at all, but I think I approach it in a different context. I usually tell people that I shoot clays, and they seem to understand that. They've watched the Olympics or have done it themselves on cruise ships. So I suppose I talk about it in the context of being a sport as in : "I'm taking off because I have a clay tournament on Friday." Nobody has ever given me a hard time, and the owner of my company is a major contributor to Rush Holt. I've offered to take people from work and they have accepted and enjoyed it. Three women and one man from work has gone with me to the range, of that, two bought handguns after going through the paperwork. I've also been open about taking days off to speak with Representative Greenwald after the magazine capacity bill was introduced last year. I was open about doing work for the pro 2A candidates in my district before the November election. I think a lot of it is how you approach the subject. I'm a smoker, so I'm usually outside twice a day for a little cigar and I talk with the other smokers. Several of the women in our little smoking group don't think much of guns, but they are still interested when they ask me about my weekend and I say that I went to the range. I've never gotten any eye rolling, but I don't go into detail about El Presidente drills and so on. Nobody really cares, they just want you to say what you did over the weekend so they can tell you about theirs. I think that a lot of it is how you approach the subject. If you are foaming at the mouth about 2A rights and the Gob'ment and self-defense and crime and concealed carry, people are going to roll their eyes. But if you go for the soft sell and treat your sport as no different than baseball, it will seem a lot more attractive.

You can't go wrong with either, although I prefer the Mossbger because of the ambidexterous safety and the open loading port. I can vouch forr Mossberg's customer service. A friend broke my gun's front bead sight and Mossberg sent a new sight to be free of charge.