Old School

I have a 115v ESAB stick/TIG set up if somebody wants to try it. All you need ia an argon bottle as I only stick with it.

Old man Jerome Albert...

I'm just saying 20" barrel gives you a greater sight radius. and when it come down to it I don't really want anything that is not uber rugged or requires batteries. Not for you but for the GF....Gotta learn on irons. That's what your Uncle taught you wasn't it? I'm talking defensive. Give me the basics and minimize the things that can fail.

Welcome to the world of revolvers. You'll need a brass toothbrush too.

Thanks Pipes. He had a good run to 88yo. At 211' it's pretty high. But you'd really have to check it out. Because of the topography all the bridges over the Hudson are pretty high. Bear Mountain, Verrazano both pretty high.... As a BTW about 280ft of water under the Bear Mountain.

I agree w/ Pipes. The major bridges all attract jumpers. My Dad, who past away this past Monday, worked on the river all his life down around Maxwell House. That's a point where the river turns and they had some of the longest docks extending out into the river. This was the collection point of many of the unfortunate jumpers and Dad retrived many of the bodies. There were years I think there were 4 or 5 fatalities. Tradgic... And this is the "Hand to God" truth... The Timex wrist watches were still ticking.

Are you guys making fun of me again?

I don't like fancy. I think you're over building. The middle rifle is my GOTO and effective to 300yds grouping 6", obviously with A2 irons which you are familiar with. I'm not clearing houses in Fallujah. It gives me more versitility than a 16" barrel. The little 16" rifle is my wife's and the 24" tack driver is for the obvious. All these rifles are proven and if you need help specing something you can PM me.

Is it on the top or bottom?

Sorry Dan- Guess I had a brain fart!! I'm not going to get banned now am I?

Reed- Do what Vlad said or go where I told you and atleast you know what you're getting. At JSE you can build your own and see what the price is for what you are getting.

Is it heavier than the weight restriction?

They appear to be the same upper. The cheaper one is without a BCG and charging handle which accounts for the price difference. I'd call and clarify.

The upper you are looking at has a free floating handguard and appears to have a quad rail on it already. Edit: The picture shows a quad rail but it says knurled tube. Be careful! I'm sure the quad rail is an extra and they should install it if it's a free floating quad rail.

Just like a GLOCK...

Yes Bob, it is taking them 40 years to live down the Model 916 shotgun they tried to market to the PD's...

Go with the MkIII, extended bolt release is available. http://www.rimfiresports.com/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RSC&Product_Code=VC2BR It's the best option and if she is shooting yours will reduce training issues.

Maks- You for one should understand marketing. GLOCKS are the cheap and dirty entry gun, especially in "Production". Early on my daughter went to a S&W sponsored camp(Jery Miculek's wife's thing) and I almost standardized on the M&P. But for a new competitor GLOCK was much more friendly. So there you go. I'm sure your squad is other than new to the sport. And, is interested in more exotic pistols as you can see. Don't get the wrong impression. I like the M&P line. But it's all in the presentation of the bait. And we all know GLOCK has been dropping their draws to the police market, virtually giving pistols away. Now S&W is following suit. I'm glad to see S&W bounce back after some real military/police screw-ups in the past. Gaston all said and done still has about 50% of the police market but that may change.

Here's one for you...What is an entrenching tool? A tool and ultimately a weapon.

S&W has been working hard and should be rewarded. It's very important that you don't need to pull the trigger for disassembly. Especially when you're a nit wit and can't remember to clear the chamber.

That's great to give out to the kids on Halloween. Kids over 18yo of course....

Any friend of Ray's..... I'll just wait and see how this plays out...

I doubt the rotating barrel has any impact. But dependant on powder a 4" can loose 50fps over a 5". You know I shoot a G34. Different velocities than I get out of my G19.

I doubt the rotating barrel has any impact. But dependant on powder a 4" can loose 50fps over a 5". You know I shoot a G34. Different velocities than I get out of my G19.

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