dave545

yes most trap shotguns do weigh more with the exceptions of the skeleton stocks. My fathers O/U citori is much heavier than my 11-87 will weigh them both tommorow and post results

9mm is plenty of power if your only target shooting and very comfortable to shoot idk why people laugh at 9mm's its 115gr or more moving at around 1200 fps ill let any one that says 9mm's are pea shooters take my 9mm and shoot themselves in the foot than tell me what they think lol our military uses them so i think they are just fine

i had some back strap the other night that i put some homemade marinade on for like 10 min and wrapped em in thick bacon and grilled em up left them rare and med/rare they were so yummy

Ya thats unacceptable

lol ya congrats man also if you take some of the shoulder or even steaks and slice them real thin and sear them in some worcheister or a1 sauce and put some cheese on it they make the best cheese steaks oh ya and onion MMM... venison

the newer models have made improvements

NO IT IS NOT that is complete bullsh** i would ask to speak with the supervisor and ask him to show you where this is required

Ok ill chime in lol. I shoot ALOT of trap and i load all my shells and so on and so forth. I shoot a remington 11-87 it is a great gun, and i have a recoil pad on it and you can barely feel it. When my girlfriend whom is 5'2" shoots this thing she has no problem. I normally break 23 out of 25 birds with it, so it is more than a capable gun for trap, HOWEVER, if you want a true trap gun a browning citori XT trap model is amazing. This shotgun is a bit pricey but it is again a dedicated trap gun. The difference is a dedicated trap gun is going to have a higher rib and the barrel is going to be a heavy countor, this meens the shot is going to be angled up so you actually aim under the clay. This is a positive because you can always see that trap and the trap is also flying upwards so being able to see the target is a huge plus. With my 11-87 it is more of a hunting gun and it is a light contour barrel which meens it pretty much shoots flat and for me to break the clays i have to block the clay out with the barrel. This makes it slightly more difficult because you cannot see the bird. With an autoloading shotgun you are going to be throwing shells all over the place when they eject and you will be shooting next to people that possibly own 20,000$ guns and they dont appreciate it much when your shells bounce off of their guns lol. They do make a shell catcher that stops the shells from ejecting but if you are going to shoot doubles you cannot use the shell catcher. So it is up to you, if you want a dedicated gun that is meant for the sport or a hybrid gun. A undedicated shotgun is OK for sport shooting but it is more of a hunting gun and wont be on the same level. If you would buy a dedicated trap gun and it doesnt have to be a browning but as long as it is a dedicated trap gun, and you get it fit and cut for your LOP (length of pull) than you will enjoy the sport much more. If you do really get into this sport than you will look to your left and right and see everyone with a dedicated gun and everyone will always be telling you that you should get a trap gun because they are better and why they are better and so on because they like to ramble and tell you how their gun is amazing lol. You will eventually buy one because you will want it soooo.... i say get a trap gun for trap. With a undedicated shotgun you could possibly learn bad habits from shooting a field gun which rem 1100 and 11-87 are instead of a trap gun. If you do buy a dedicated trap gun in the future it would take some time to adjust. Also a O/U does not have much more kick than an auto loader and in some cases less. Since they are heavier they absorb a lot of kick and you can always buy a nicer recoil pad. The O/U style shotgun is good for doubles because you can use a moderate choke for your first shot and a full choke for the second since the target will be further away. The weight is also there for a reason because the added weight helps you control the barrel and smoothly transition the gun onto target, where as a lighter gun you can find yourself overthrowing your gun to the target and pass it since it is lighter resulting in missed clays.

Feel them before you buy because i loved the Sigs and hated the glocks and when i went to buy one i was holding the Sig 226 elite in one hand and the glock 17 Gen 4 in my other and liked the glock more i felt it sighted a lot more naturally and was right there when the sig was nose diving everytime i sighted it in and i ended up buying the glock

umm it looks similar to a glock? so how are the ergonomics that much better and as well the aesthetics? i say try a glock shoot the new gen 4 G17 and than repost ur opinion bout glocks as i used to hate them as well but it does look cool

ahh who cares first one is down now u can focus on the big boy lol u gotta beat mine at 142 dressed out do u accept challenge?

courtesy of the red white and blue country boy 4 words to choke upon my curse end of heartache room 409 dehumanization fugg you feuer frei

Congrats tony see i told you that you would get ur deer this season ya its an awesome feeling huh

sorry for the late update went out shooting saturday and it functioned perfectly no FTE's

i just got mine back around 2 weeks ago and test fired it on saturday and it functioned flawlessy mine went in for the ejector link for my fix page http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/28488-my-new-glock-17-gen-4-is-sick/page__p__372452__fromsearch__1#entry372452

hope that wasnt directed towards me lol if it was i wrote that in like 2 minutes give me some more time and ill cite if u want

lol i read the first 2 or 3 lines and i saw black dots lol my bad

ARE U SERIOUS??!!?!?!?! they came inside their home and tied them up and them leaving in a body bag is extreme?? PUT IT LIKE THIS If someone breaks into my house they are one breaking into either a window or a door which is locked meaning nobody is welcome inside of ym ome because everything is locked duh now you broke into my home and are now inside of my home the intruder should not be in my home i did not invite him and he is breaking the law i am automatically going to fear for my life since he is breaking in. i am not going to ask him while he is tying me up or before if he is just going to steal my property or of he is going to kill me. the only logical and safe thing to do is to stop the threat before it escalates stopping the threat hopefully in this state means that, that person is leaving in a body bag or else you will most likely be sued civilly this person did what she should have done and NICE PANTS is 100% correct in this situation I dont care if they are or are not from a poor area and their educational system did not prepare them. They know the law and apparently they will not conform to these laws and if they go to jail their is a higher chance of recidivism back too jail than not and at 35-50,000 a year i would rather a 50$ body bag. Breaking into a house is normally not for feed or to feed their family it is 99.99% of the time for an addictive substance and they need quick money and are only a detriment to the society and have no place in it. Some people are not worth the air or space that they consume in this world. Stop thinking that Criminals are just poor and un-educated people that really mean well but are a poor product of society. These people are criminals and they are caught red handed the courts and media have you brainwashed in this state. In this state the criminals are innocent until painstakingly and sometimes not even proven guilty while the innocent are guilty until proven innocent. All i do is sit in criminal justice courses and prison re-entry classes and listen to theories, statistics and facts, these people are far more likely to recidivate and return back to jail than conform to society and be good honorable upstanding citizens i have also been in many crime scene investigation lectures where all we did was look at murder trials and the crime scene and evidence, and all of these classes the real photographic evidence and in all of these cases there was an innocent person laying on an cold silver autopsy table so they could find the exact cause of death that these innocent people had to endure. *END RANT* Im happy there is one less person in this world that could cause harm to others.

glad to hear it really hope that all is well tomorrow with the MRI im sure it will be

ya ty everyone it was a liver shot, first time shooting out of a tree stand and i pulled to the right a little when i hit the release but it only went 40 yards and dropped and was dead within minutes and good luck Tony youll get one and since u passed on that spike you still have ur buck tag

we might argue alot lol but ya were creating great memories

Got me my first buck on Saturday it was a big 6 point buck out of Shrewsbury. shot it with my compound bow, weighed 142lbs dressed out, will know later tonight when i get it back from butcher me and my dad back of the truck 6' bed

ya hes an a** he lost all loyalty for the rick and only wants him to die so he can get with his wife again

i have a SW 29-2 44 mag loading it hot as hell i mean it is a magnum lol

stupid girl what did she think directly disobeying everyone would make them proud because shes a big girl and can shoot a zombie but oh wait thats not a zombie