Shane45

WHAT? NO PIC???

I feel gear nekid round you guys!

No problem brother, just want those that werent there to have a clear view and hopefully join us at the next meeting

Lets clarify, 10 to 20 years to reverse all the damage, not 10 to 20 to have significant wins in this state. I honestly believe the turnout is indicitive of the defeatist attitude prevalent here in NJ on gun rights topics. This is what needs to change. We have the ear of even the middle of the road anti's, its time to be heard and expose the true silent majority.

Yes. Having sold all my reloading stuff long ago, I got to start fresh so I got to do it the way I wanted. If I already had a V cleaner, I might not have opted to re-buy. I just dump the water in the toilet if Im doing it in the house. Or even the sink... its just carbon. The sink sees much worse than that, I got the 1 Italian wife that cant cook

I think the takeaway is simply that the iron is hot, a lot is in the works behind the scenes. We are finally gaining some momentum. It is IMPERATIVE at this time that we convince ALL our fellow shooters that the time for apathy has to be laid to rest. It is time to get back in the game because this is the VERY BEST opportunity to effect changes since the 1960's!!!! It is SUPREMELY evident that gun owners have gone/remain silent in NJ. THIS MUST CHANGE.

What scope is it?

The Berretta's stock is not a collapsing stock to begin with...

No. The water deadens the noise.

Ive never done the airsoft thing. But I did get my kid a couple of high end ones. They operate 99% like the real thing so I thought it had value in his weapons handling experience. With that being said, I have run into enough real world people that use it for IPSC/IDPA training and tout it as far superior to dry firing. And real world LE/Mil guys that use it for CQB F on F traiining on the cheap. This has caused me to sit up and pay some attention to it.

It would not play well. The thing that they always seem to go for is permanantly fixed. In conversations that means not easily countered. I have it on good authority that they want to see a blind pin that goes into the reciever extension into that track that the position index goes into. Shane

Well... not much. I got the tumbler off of craigs list for 50 bucks. Even so, Id go this route anyway. For one, I hate the dust and mess that accompanies crushed walnut. Second is simply that looking at all the reviews of vibratory cleaners... they dont seem to last very long these days. Noise is another factor. So even if you have to buy everything new, 180 for the tumbler, 50 for the media. Dishsoap and lemishine are at wallmart So your in for 250.

Drum rotating tumbler, lemishine, stainless media (on the way) dishsoap. 250 cases in 3 hours. Dry. Reload. I have actually cheated and done it without the media and have been able to get by until my SS media gets here.

Im gonna drag you to an IDPA match!

Production IPSC? I dont want to derail this thread further than I have but let me just say I did not start doing well in IDPA until I got the game out of my head! One of my worst problems was cover! What you do in training is what you will do in real life under stress. I will not shoot IPSC for those very reasons. That is NOT to say IDPA is without fault or issue.

Tommy, there can be tons of issues depending on the game and the gun. Now for me, they are one in the same. But I shoot a fixed sight, dead reliable, plain jane Govt Model. For reasons I could carry on for pages, I would never carry an accurailed 1911, a double stack 1911 or an optic'd 1911 for carry. I will not have ambi's on a carry 1911, but you damn near have to on a gaming 1911. I would never have a 2 pound trigger on a carry gun. Generally speaking gaming guns are for games, working guns are for work. Consider for a second the significant difference in recoil of a plate gun shooting low power 9 vs a GM shooting 230 grain ball. The only comparison that makes any sense is pistol comps that use working guns. Then you need to considere the game and make a decision if the game is possibly leading you to habits that would get you killed on the street, but thats another thread

Well... what it is really is that no one dies if a frame cracks in comp right. You go to your backup gun and march on. But in comp the ONLY thing they care about is making power factor and making the comp work efficiently. Back in the 90's when the Dillon 9X25 was populer and the power factor floor was much higher, the 9mm lead was flying....FAST! But if course none of this payed any attention to bullet type and ballistic performance in tissue. Like I said earlier in the thread, I wouldnt feel undergunned and would spend my money on practice ammo to insure shot placement probability. But I think Old schools train of though (and a reasonable one) is that you could get away with it once in a while. What I dont know is if the +p+ would make a 9 whippy and hurt split times. Id rather have a fast follow up than fractionally better performance.

Maks, dont confuse game guns and defencive guns. Most things done in the name of IPSC have no place at the table of real world defence.

Purely for looks. If you look at the slide right in front of the front cocking serations you will see that instead of the gradual step its a more pronounced rounded cut.

Old school, in all honesty, my REAL recomendation would be to consider why you feel undergunned! With good quality ammo I would NOT feel undergunned with reguler 9mm ammo. I KNOW you know this but I'll say it anyway, shot placement is MANY MANY magnatudes more important that caliber. So buy more 9 and practice your hammers!!!!

Ive often contended in the caliber wars that a same diameter, make, weight, vel projectile does not care if it was driven from a 357 sig chamber or a 9mm chamber.... it will perform the same. With that being said, those are some mighty big rimfires you got there!

Matt, it is my understanding tha Collector and Correct grades are original finish, not refinished.

Its possible because common sense isnt so common anymore and Judges have allowed personal agenda into the ring. And then theres always greed.....

I often thought that the men that get it synthetically must have ugly wives