Shane45

And how fuggin scary is that!!!!

Its also a bumper sticker.

You mean like all the high cap mags and "assault rifles" that were owned prior to that law

Please clear your PM's so I can contact you or PM me your address. Thanks! Shane

So IF that bill passed, that would mean that every 10 yr old would become a serious felon because they own machine guns now. Typical NJ. Creating criminals every chance they get!

Guys the units are complete! Just waiting on installation instructions. I have a FEW extra units from people that said yes but...never sent funds . Contact me if you are interested. By a few I mean I have 2!

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/19619-midwest-px-mag-review-pt-1/page__p__258732__fromsearch__1#entry258732

Midwest PX Mag review pt 1. Midwest PX modified Magpul Pmag LR20 "Stubby" for KAC mag pattern 308 rifles. I ordered, among other things, 3 of the "Stubby" mags for my new LMT MWS. First, let me say that the shipping from Midwest PX was nothing short of amazing. He must have someone sitting there waiting to pack and bolt out the door to the shipper. I have heard this from other customers as well so apparently it wasnt a fluke! The mags arrived neatly packed so I was all set for an upcoming match. I ran out to the range to zero the Elcan Specter. I didnt have the mags with me so I used the KAC mag. This meant I was going into the match with untested mags. Match day. I loaded up all three mags. They all held exactly 15 rounds. You would think this a given right? Well another Pmag from some other vendor for my AR 15 only held 13! To add to that it did not drop free from my Colt. I dont know if its the Pmags fault or the modification. I can say I dont like how its modified. Its clumsy and sloppy compared to Midwest PX. The Mags from Midwest PX are very neetly done. So how dd they perform? Flawlessly! the mags functioned all day, dropped free, locked the bolt back and had zero hickups all day long. I was able to secure the 3rd fastest run of the match with the MWS running these mags. It was truly nice to have confidence in the mags operation. I have been plagued with mag issues on other platforms from other vendors.One thing of note with the stubbies, they come in really handy when you have to shoot under a low barracade! I only had to throw a little tilt into the rifle to take the shot instead of going full urban prone. More to come. LR20 15 rnd. 15 rnd Curved Stubby in 5.56 15 Rnd Curved (30 rnd body 5.56) 15 Rnd Straight pmag (These mags seem to drop free and lock back the bolt in my SCAR) These will all be used in the next match on the 20th and I will report back.

No.

My guess (only a guess, no inside info on this one) is Magpul since Magpul was named in the patent lawsuit filed by Robinson Armament for the ACR's bolt release.

Aha! Yes that model of royalty I could see. But im betting the $$$$ waved in front of their face by Cerberus was significant.

But with AR-15s and 1911s you have a plethora of choices... This benefits who? Not the original maker. High quality/High price or Low quality/Low price and everything in between. If the ACR wants to become a popular platform, even one to be considered along with the AK market, it needs a lot of builders, and lower prices. Again, this does not benefit the designer or manufacturer. This is what the entire patent process is designed around. Tell me: what is so substantially different between the ACR and AR-15 to justify it's almost 3x cost? Why does a pill that costs 3 cents to make cost 12 dollars? Because the cost to make this pill is not the only cost. The cost to recoup engineering, design and testing are considerable. Im not sure I agree with the 3 X figure either. My box stock Colt was 1600. ACR's are pretty readily available for 2k. So we are talking 400 bucks. An add on piston kit is about 300 bucks for an AR so that puts it at a 100 dollar difference. An LMT piston ar is almost even money. A LWRC is more. A Noveske is more. A rifle is worth what people are willing to pay. The SCAR seems to be able to hold the line at about 2300, the ACR about 2k. My bet is the SCAR will be able to maintain its price point far longer than the ACR. Just my chrystal ball prediction. My bet is that they will end up in the 2k SCAR, 1600/1800 Basic/Advanced ACR range. Somethings value is directly related to what people are willing to pay for it. If no one buys, the prices will fall. That doesnt seem to be hapening.

Idunno, I tend to think that when you allow as you suggest, it can create a bad name for the model. 1911's and AR's come to mind. The slew of el cheapo's make a mine field of it. To make an informed decision on a 1911 or AR can send you down a path of working on your research doctorate. Patent expiration.

Take off Lamer!

I like the looks of the ACR over the SCAR. I like the engineering of the SCAR over the ACR. But in the end I think that either is well within the abuses we are likely to bestow on it so go with what you like.

Dood that retardation dont qualify for anything but mall ninja status!

Fuggen retarded!

Fair questions. Not calling me out. I have no emotional attachments to any of this, just an opinion. Sometimes I do need reminding because I havent fully broken old IPSC habits. Sometimes I revert. I am sure you are well aware of the differences between cover, conceelment etc etc. To add to that its not always easy to see from your own shooting position that your cover is bad, or that your letting the top of your head bob up above cover. Of course there are scenarios without cover but the difference in rules focus the training repetition. Mag retention, reloads behind cover, slicing the pie, engaging in tac order etc etc. I dont want to slide down the slippery slope and turn this into the old IDPA VS IPSC debate. Being a former IPSC competitor, I fully understand the style, type and interest in this type of shooting. I simply changed gears and went in a different direction. my current direction serves my interests better. However, I DO attribute a certain element of speed I can tap into in this type of shooting to my time shooting IPSC. Now that I started adding my rifles to the fun, I am looking for venues that support my type of shooting with the addition of rifle and shotgun. (Although I hate shotty and would argue its modern day value). What would an IDEAL match look like to me? A 3 gun match that is Rifle, Pistol, and precision rifle with rule sets hovering closely to IDPA. F the shotty As a side note, I really did not become competitive in IDPA until I stopped with the game mindset. It really is a mindset difference. I kept getting "proceduraled" right out of the top 5 at every match because the thought process of how can I go faster kept getting me in trouble or causing me to make a mistake. Once I started thinking in terms of someone at the other end of the range is trying to do me harm, did I start to do better.

Im in! And no more DNF's with the SCAR. I will have new mags by then!!!

Yes thats true. But it helps when someone reminds you to get your a** behind cover too . IDPA works fairly well for me. Few wierd idiosynchrasies there too but covers more of my needs thah anything else I have encountered. I did here of another org but have been warned off that its so over the top you need a mall ninja cert just to even talk about it . Is there a mount solution that is currently unfilled in this discipline? Its a valid point that mil/le needs may be different from 3 gun so if theres a specific need not being met and enough of a market.....its worth discussing.

Locusts!!!

Ron, it helps me in terms of deciding to shoot this type of comp or not. I use competitions as a training aid, not so much for the competition its self. I quit shooting IPSC about 10 years ago because the game habits were bleeding over to much. All games have their flaws but for me, cover issues were the hardest to overcome. On a side note, competitions that are closer to real world also aid me in the design and field testing of the mounting solutions I make. Shane

Theres hardly a room in my house that doesnt have something sharp and pointy dangling somewhere. But some of them are more expesive than my HD pistol so I might have to head for the kitchen if I suddenly become inclined to bring a knife to a gunfight!

Thank you Ron, this was the intel I was looking for. Shane

Honestly no, did not have that problem.