Shane45

And here I thought you were going to talk about white anglo saxon protastants LOL

I really dont know, Ive seen it for a few. BC would likely have it too but the ATF simply stopped giving rulings on the matter. I just combed through BC's site and ya know, I didnt find anywhere them making a claim of flash reduction actually.

rauchman, I fully agree with your feelings. However, heres the issue. We already know for a fact that the AG office has dissallowed the state police from offering legal advice to citizens. Which by my estimation is what you recieved. So what you really have is one mans opinion. I feel this offers you no legal protection. To make matters worse, the battle comp claims to have flash hiding properties. Without a ruling from the ATF saying it is not a FH, its a comp, I feel you get left with very little to defend yourself with. The ONLY thing I see that gives you some ground is the closed face of the battle comp. That is distinctly a comp characteristic. Just my opinion. I want to try one myself

Swap the stock, pin a brake on there and I believe you to be good to go.

I'll give you 5 grand for it!

OK guys, I give, I guess then everything is comparable with everything. :roll: But if usnmars can secure the thou to shoot at at his buddys farm if I recall, I'll bring an AR pattern rifle and a modern bolt action. Anyone can bring whatever mosin they care too and we will shoot at 1000 meters. The you guys can judge if comparisons between the 3 platforms make any freekin sense at all. Hows that. Again, I am not bashing mosins, Im bashing wacked out comparisons.....

1st and formost yer all like a bunch of school girls stuck arguing the theoreticals of an insignificant detail instead of the actual point! But Ill play Sirsloop, heres the rub. Go find me a top barrel maker that will spin you up a mosin barrel, have it to you in less than 4 months and not charge you....say 6 times the value of the rifle. Im betting you wont find one to even do it at all...... As for those making the group claims, remember, I didnt say 1 moa, I didnt say half, I said 3/8ths! I only know of 2 top top top tier custom builders giving that kind of garuntee! And one of them wont do it on anything but a custom action, not even a trued and blue printed remmy action! Ronhonda, you make my point for me somewhat. He likely will not win in the super squad but the POINT is he wouldnt try. You use an open gun when competing in open class because thats what is competitive because a limited gun CAN NOT give you the advantages an open gun does. glennp you also make my point that the 700 can do what a mosin cant, a magnum chambering... so again I dont see the point in comparing a mosin to a 700. As for a mosin match, please no. I hate buying more guns just so I can compete in another single discipline!!!!

Find me the mosin that will do 3/8ths for 5 at 100.....anywhere............... Find me the mosin that can compete at 1500 yds..... anywhere............... We can debate minutia all day about how you can drop 4k to make a mosin do what a 2k 700 can but the POINT is the comparisons are silly.

OK, how about this, let me see you pull your mosin action and drop it into an AICS chassis system. Let me see you spin on a new barrel and shoot at 1500 yds with it. Let me see you mount a 34mm scope on it with NV. Now Im not here to bash a mosin, what Im bashing is the comparisons. So pointing out what a mosin cant do is not cracking on the mosin, its cracking on saying they are the same or comparable to a 700. No one is going to ship their mosin off to George Gardner or Mike Racino to have them modify it to be a 3/8th guarunteed rifle. Its apples / oranges unless you mean they both go bang :roll:

Free thinking creative mind + confidence, Id hire her in a heartbeat!

sigh...... Ray, they dont and they cant. A stock mustang GT cant break 300mph in a quarter mile.(At a sanctioned track, not off a cliff) A stock Glock wont win the open division at the Area X nationals. A mosin cant allow the operator to carry magazines filled with mission specific ammo. They can all go bang, if thats the level of pointless comparison your looking for then your right.

Well for some of us, our eyes havent aged so well So I dont buy cheap scopes I used to be able to hit a 10" by 10" plate at 300 with irons standing probably 8 out of 10 shots without breaking to much of a sweat. Im not sure I could do that today. The rifle I just bought will have the irons pulled off and will only have the optic on it. In part its to save some weight, but with the quality of the optic I dont feel the need for irons on this particuler rifle. I actually feel that the age of Irons may very well have come to pass. Optics simply have too much of an advantage in just about every role.

I am not sure where in north NJ but I believe that Old Bridge hosts 3 gun events as well. The one I go to is an hour SW of me and Im exit 63.

Ray, to further attempt to add clarification I used the analogy of cars because although they both race, they are not competitive with each other. So to say they do the same thing is a bad example like a glock and a full on race gun. They both shoot and compete just not with each other so they really dont do the same thing.

A full house race gun, built on a glock, 1911, CZ etc etc is a full house race gun purpose built for pure speed like a top feul dragster. A stock glock, 1911, CZ(mustang GT) is not and cannot do what a race gun can. I do not consider limited guns to really be race guns. Ronhonda if you followed the thread I think it reasonable to infer I meant a stock glock because one as you describe certainly falls into the catagory of race gun. Especially when you consider the $$$ figure used being thousands. Havent run into the multi thousand dollar glock yet.... I find members on this forum have this odd habit, be it AR's, Mosins, glocks, 1911's, race guns or limited guns to compare apples to bowling balls... :?

Does an ever so small nick in the crown of a 22 pistol that is not a $2000 free pistol matter, probably not but in general 1 single nick is sufficient to damage a crown and cause accuracy issues.

Very good and productive meeting. I have never seen a group come together so quickly and come to agreements and productive outcomes inside of 2 meetings. I would say that this is due largely to Frank's significant behind the scenes work and preperation so at this time I would like to give a big thanks to Frank!

Bad example. A glock cant do what a racegun can. Thats like saying a top feul dragster and a mustang gt are the same...... Their mission and use are distinctly different.

I dunno Ru, I might take that 40 year bet. Not sure how well that mosin will operate after 40 years of corrosive ammo and no cleaning :twisted: I know I can easily get around 2000 rounds through my XCR with no cleaning

Is it my birthday?

Im not a fan of Cerakote on slides. I know, I know a lot of amiths/outfits do it but..... it has zero lubricity qualities. I prefer Molly Resin for this type of application. My 02. Shane

theRU your are definitely on the other team when the zombies come!

Ok finished reading all the pissing contests and conclude half of you are out of your mind! Im not telling which half The comparisons are borderline rediculas! The comparisons between mosin and AR or SPR are plain silly! I am sorry but milsurp yesteryear rifles simply CANNOT do what a modern day rifle can do. If you think they can, you show you are simply not up to speed on the topic. But who in their right mind would expect them to? Ive seen these threads before and I must admit I get a bit irritated when one faction starts claiming the other faction has no value or usefullness or credability or whatever! If you dig it, thats all that counts. I friggen hate shotguns! But I also can respect and understand that someone out there is willing to pay the equivilant to what my entire safe contains for a single shotgun. I can appreciate the craftmanship that has gone in to said shotgun, it doesnt have to be my gig to understand and appreciate it. I also dont feel inclined to tell said shotgunner his kid is ugly and my kid is better and heres why.... I had the opportunity to buy a brand new SA Garand NM for really cheap. Did I buy it? Nope. Why you ask? Because it wasnt there! I dont care if the best mosin ever made came on the market tomorrow, it wasnt there and thus holds no value to me. Im betting that that is a big part of the attraction for most, it was there and thus a piece of history. And then theres the crowd that simply digs the low cost utilitarian aspect of it. I can appreciate it too because Id rather see someone out shooting on a limited budget instead of sitting at home playing XBox! In closing, I recomend a mutual respect for your fellow shooter even if he shoots an entirely different discipline because in the end, he is still a fellow shooter. (This does not include Ball Breaking in jest and fun which I am a big fan of and participant :twisted: )

Mosins arent primative. Thats like calling a remington 700 or a M40 or winchester model 70 etc etc primative. Simply bed the action and it would kick the crap out of an AR-15 at 800 meters Plus, the mosin wont jam like an AR would. Your out of your mind!

Hmmmm. I think it is legal to have in your house, but you cant carry it around.