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It wouldnt be the first time contradictory answers came out of that office. I think they would have a seriously hard time classifying it as collapsable when it uses a full length reciever extension making collapsing impossible.

Sirsloop, all I can say is its the same thing I tell my kids, theres how it should be and theres how it is....

power trippy a hole and a badge is a bad mix. I bet his fellow LE took a few steps away from him....

I agree with PK90 and it dovetails into my own beliefs that you would really need a smoking gun to make the case(a p&l ledger for example or selling under a trade name). I think what Smity is pointing out is the bit of ambiguity in the law. Meaning there is no clear definition. I can understand his concern because the gov seems to like to hammer a square peg infraction into a round hole law. So how does one make sure they could never be accused of selling for profit or selling as a business? I dont think there is a way and I can think of a scenario that could get you into trouble. Here she goes: Collector with a good sized collection decides he needs one pistol he is after. To get it he needs to liquidate a lot. He lists out what he is willing to sell and starts selling and keeping track so that he can achieve his goal of obtaining one super expensive item. In the mean time his wife is caught cheating, it turn ugly, she lies and gets a RO against him, they scoop up everything and find the list and tracking of sales......

On a reguler duty AK I would hyothisise its irrelivant. But generally speaking when accuracy is the game rigidity is just about always better. But Im sure Im stating the obvious here.

Well Docwalt, theres always knitting. Those needles look awful mean though, maybe oragami works for you? Ahh paper cuts your right.

Well heres the circle talk in my mind. Quantity would be the trigger for investigation. But how would the trigger actually occur because ftf isnt reported anywhere. If your sales are out of state then its going through an FFL so again how would the trigger occur? To add to this, I have never heard of this kind of case. But I took your question to be more along the lines of what could be made an issue. So about the only way I could see this being an issue is if you got raided for another issue or someone dropped a dime and they found some sort of list, documentation, bank account, quick books, etc etc that gave a clear indication you were conducting business not a hobby.

Did someone say cookies ??? Having had the AK discussion once or twice Im often tempted but always seem to abstain. But Lunker, yours caught my eye but its too damn pretty for me because if I do get an AK it will be treated rudely for sure hehe.

Hard to have a steel plate shooting competition by yourself :roll:

Hard to prove whats going on in your brain :twisted:

Ill be the hold out and resist the commie gun! Unless of course an AK competition rears its head LOL

I havent come across it either in your specific context. I have in my own where I build my own 1911's. Some discusions with those that do what I do have had some ATF interactions and have been advised that selling more than 1 or 2 a year for consecutive years would garner them ATF attention for manufacturing without an FFL. So that would lead me to believe that they pay some attention to it at some level. But if your like me and sell at a loss so you can try different firearms it would be hard for then to make a for proffit case

I think the real measure is based on how many your selling annually.

mauser88, your clueless brother. You simply have no idea what your talking about..... If I were you Id cut my losses right here and not even bother responding to this thread......

My broken record response, whats yer budget?

The person that rendered first aid is a friend. IIRC he said it was around 10 yds. As I understand it the plate was properly angled. The thought was his round caught a weld or something for the freak ricochet.

Yeah but Glenn, heres the twist. I bet my Colt 6940 is as reliable as my XCR...... which brings us back full circle to dont believe the myth..... Again, what top tier unit chooses AK's? NONE that I have ever run across. (again covert ops not withstanding) I have come across ones with SCAR, DSA SA58, HK416's.............

Maks bringing the heat! :twisted: Guys lets all take a breath and a break from telling each other yer kid is ugly LOL. This debate, like Ford vs Chevy WILL NOT be won here. As I have said before MANY TIMES, fit the tool to the mission. One is not all encompassing. Pick what you think meets the broadest selection of your needs and run with it. Trust in YOUR chosen weapon system goes a long way. With that being said its always good to have an open mind! It would be rather interesting to narrow the focus from the world battlefield to our own experiences a bit. Heres mine: Out of 10 or so AR's over the years I had 1 Colt that was problematic. All the rest have been dead reliable! I admit to not having particulerly high round counts on any of them but thats my experience just the same. My latest AR is a Colt 6940 which is just a honey of a rifle!!! I would trust this rifle. DSA SA58c JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM HOLLY SHIT JAM JAM. OH Im adjusting the gas incorrectly, never a jam again, dead reliable. I would trust this rifle. Robarm XCR JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM HOLLY SHIT JAM JAM. Known issue with the XCR that break in is a BITCH. After that she is dead reliable!!! I would trust this rifle. Have been running it in 3 gun and has not let me down. SKS Reliable. Mediocre accuracy. But damn somehow this thing had a nasty habbit of spitting oil on my glasses! I have shot but never owned an AK that I shot. So I dont feel I have enough seat time to speak on this platforms reliability for me.

if it aint a 5 round group......

Agreed Glenn, my coments are specifically responding to Radek... As far as death ray, that would be my GA Precision AR10 in 260!!!

Parker, I'd disagree on the Katrina thing a bit. I had a number of friends that went down there and did PMC work and they came back with some interesting perspectives. As well as there were several published accounts. In short there were blocks of families that were well armed, banded together and set up perimiters. Thos perimiters were tested but a well defended show of force resulted in them being left unscathed. A high contrast to the areas that ambulances were getting shot up because they didnt help the family of one victim or another. I say buy all you can while you can..... Its a bonus they are fun to shoot just for fun or competition.

Agree 100% with BBK. Radek, you better go do some research into what long piston and short piston designs are about and where that lineage really stems from. If you REALLY do your research you will find that just about every weapon system out there draws something from somwhere else including the AK. As stated the XCR is a new design but you can see where it draws from the AK, AR and FAL. Same for ACR and SCAR. One more thing, WAR's are won by politicions, battles are won by soldiers. Not really noting many in the battle win catagory for the ak... Think about it, top tier units get somewhat free license when it comes to weaponry, how come they aint all running around with AK's? (Covert ops where they need to look indiginous notwithstanding). If it were truly superior dont you think they would be using it? Is your experience greater than that of our top tier warfighters or that of the guy who wrote the article I referenced that has a qual list a mile long? Why do I debate these topics? Because it irritates me that so many read something and regurgitate something as fact with no personal experience on that something or a real understanding of the source of their info :roll: Now some in this thread have their experience that has led them to the way they feel AND I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT POSITION even if I may disagree or believe the perception to be possibly dated. Finally for those that think the AK is unfallable, yeah go spend some time with youtube will ya!

NO please share! lots of new shooting shows popping up it seems.

Lifted from another forum: http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/sh ... hp?t=32292

Well... since I think you would probably loose less than 50 fps, it really comes down to preference. If you like the mod enough to spend the money doing it, I see no down side.