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One place I have investigated. Its a little far but if you call ahead they have a bunk house you can shack up in. http://www.mifflincosportsmens.com/facilities.htm

Factory AI

Maksim, read the report. It makes a compelling case supporting the ND issue and the mechanics of how it happens. Why would you want to have to train around a bad design? Add me to the list of having to pry a gun out of a Serpa.

AIAX 338LM with a 20" barrel. A whole lotta angry for anything within 1500 yds in a transportable package! USO 5-25. Seekins 35mm high rings. OBR 308 with a Hensoldt 4-16 in a Ops2 Inc UMQDS. Dogs paws, the most lethal weapons in the pic!

Poor Patrick Sweeney...perhaps he will change his stance after being outed.

Awesome pics, thanks for sharing!

Although I find it nearly impossible to put insane thoughts in a sane head, I have to theorize that unless your a true libtard democrat, the vast majority of more "normal" democrats may just be writing this election off and tuning out? Of the few Dem's I know, after a million I told ya so's for voting for Obama, are voting Republican next election.

I would agree with that sentiment. But less sucky doesn't equal good

I believe High Exposure, myself and a few others have warned about Serpa's, despite the outcry from Blackhawk fans. I thought I would pass along some official findings. https://www.fletc.gov/sites/default/files/imported_files/reference/public-information/freedom-of-information-act-foia/reading-room/training-information/holisterStudy.pdf

He's not????? http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

I think it goes both ways. And it probably depends on the perception of the person. A shooter with below avg skills that is stuck at a plateau in their abilities may falsely assume the average person cant really get better than where he/she is at, not understanding that sometimes a small improvement in technique yields a big improvement in ability. Or their lack of understanding of a particular discipline or how to do it makes them some sort of shooting phenom. Are their bullshiters? Of course there are. Some call it bench racing . But sometimes its just not as hard as it looks. I was at the range with Tactical Monkey. We were shooting reduced silhouette steel at 100 with our rifles. I pulled out an FNX45T pistol. Never tried before to hit at 100yds with a pistol. He looked at me and said no way! I hit 3 out of 4! He couldn't believe it. I handed him the pistol and HE hit 3 out of 4! It just wasnt that hard to do with that particular pistol. But I could see a lot of people calling BS.

AK, I will take your absence of a response to me as an admission of defeat. You can go explain your "greater good" position to those in Chicago but I think they will disagree with you too. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/chicago-crime-rate-drops-as-concealed-carry-gun-pe/?page=all Things you are incapable of: Humility Admitting that the possibility exists that your TO or Admin or mommy and daddy that fed you a giant pitcher of coolaid could possibly be wrong. Logical discussion. As such you are indeed a mindless record playing endlessly. Don't bother to respond to me. You are a lost cause unworthy of any more of my efforts. Enjoy your lurker status as I am sure you hold the new record of being on the most ignore lists.

And here is why that is wrong: https://www.policeone.com/chiefs-sheriffs/articles/5938713-Retired-Ky-chief-slain-in-revenge-killing/ "As a thought exercise: As we are all proponents of 2A here, cop and citizen alike, should we work to eliminate the laws that allow cops to carry? Or to enact legislation that allows everyone to carry?" Agreed and the point I was trying to make earlier in this thread!

The free market will fix all pricing issues

" Avalanche, on 20 Feb 2016 - 10:44 AM, said: Most cops I know are not fit to carry by the time they retire. They should be subject to the same laws as everyone else. @High Exposure You want to chime in here, or no? Here's your chance." Again, I think you are uninformed. I have a news flash for you. New Jersey has decided LE is unfit to carry at age 75. That is NJ law. N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6

"I find it odd that you don't mention the legalities of use-of-force and retention -- the two most glaring deficiencies in amateur carry." You do realize the UOF, EOF, and ROE are DRAMATICALLY different for a civilian right? I hope you do because your own rules dramatically change when you retire. "Just wondering -- how does self-loathing effect other aspects of your life?" This is you turning sour because you are loosing your debate.....

HE has covered most point. But given the opportunity to provide you with some experience and wisdom I feel compelled to continue. AK, I am going to continue with my speculation that you are fresh out of the academy and young. Your Kool-Aid consumption position wreaks of it. You have been fed the red tasty drink by those administrators THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND what we are talking about. These are the same types that enact policy like the one that can now be found in San Francisco. http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/02/18/sf-police-told-to-shoot-twice-stop.htm Ask ANY trainer worth his salt about said policy and I don't think you will hear a single positive response. I see your position softening. It looks like you are back peddling and only advocating training. But as expressed, the danger for abuse on requiring training is there and real. It has already been used as a tool to deny. Research it, you will find it. I think you miss the point about my challenge. The concern you expressed is proficiency. If you were to attend an IDPA or USPSA match I think you would have your eyes opened WIDE real quick. Why do I think that? Because I have watched MANY MANY MANY officers come to their first match full of confidence that the academy has trained them well enough for this endeavor. What happens? They get a brutal lesson how unprepared they are. They get an understanding of the helpful stress indoctrination that competition brings. The ones that are so embarrassed they couldn't even perform a reload under stress and never come back are the ones that lose out. The smart ones that return gain valuable experience. Why do you think it is that every switched on agency or trainer advocates competitions? Competition ECQC and FOF training are the things switched on people do, civilian or agency. What you are failing to recognize is that there is a ton of civilians out there that are dedicated to these concepts. I know that you want to believe that you are the special snowflake the academy has produced that has powers beyond those lowly civilians out there but, I'm sorry, it just isn't so. I know the trainors High Exposure trains with and I know some of the peers he trades notes with. These are people with DEEP resume's, many with more than a few gunfights under their belt and more than a few years at "front line" agencies. Why do you think they hold the same viewpoints we do? The safety of you vs the safety of others. You believe that the safety of you and your family trumps the right of others to protect themselves and their families because you believe they are a direct threat to you. You realize you make this same trade every time you get in your car right? Do you really think passing your drivers license test prepares you for driving? How many people are killed every day due to another's poor driving skills? But you accept that danger of others operating 4000 pounds of machinery in extremely close proximity to you every day. Freedom isn't free. More on that later. So to flip the script on your precept for a second, why do I have to accept having the right to protect myself against 4 ex felons that decide to target me or some machete wielding gangbangers at a train station restricted because it makes you feel unsafe? By your own "statistics" the odds of you having to be part of or near an interaction are slim to none! Freedom isn't free. People say it. People hear it, but few understand it. Most think of soldiers fighting for our freedoms. And of course this is true. But there is another cost. The cost of having a free society. If you are going to have freedom of speech, you are going to have the Westboro Baptist church, or movements that call for the killing of officers (which in my opinion lead to a number of dead officers). If you are going to have freedom of religion, you are going to have religions here that call for the killing of Americans. Having the right to keep and bear arms means some will do so badly. And so on and so forth, I think you get the picture. The point is that THAT is the cost of a free society. You would do well to consider that your line of thinking leads away from that concept.

Its nice to have options! If I get a spot Im likely going to run a Semi.

Bullzeye, which rifle are you running?

Im on the wait list roster Likely Tactical Monkey is too.

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Looks like the match is full already!

I got an A- in constitutional law and rules of evidence, what did you get?

Sorry AK, but knowing PK90 personally, I can vouch for his credibility. That continues to leave you as the question mark, a BIG ONE. Your citing of single instances is absurd. I can find an example of just about anything out there. How about this, I need the right to defend myself because things happen in NJ like Officer Lutes running around with a full auto MP5 committing mass murder (In the town I worked in and the town I lived right next to). Obviously this is an isolated incident. But you seem unable to distinguish between the two. http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/lutes-edward.htm Ill tell you what Arthur, Ill make it easy for you. Lets attend an IDPA match. If you do better than me, I will concede defeat in our debate. If I win, you admit defeat. But be advised I took 1st place in CDP the last two matches I shot. Must be from all that police training I never had. But hey its been a long while and Im pretty rusty. And before you jump to some snarky comment about what the class of other competitors were, be advised that one of the other competitors is a lead trainer for the US Air Marshals and the other a former trainer at Blackwater.

Let me be clear that I am a strong proponent of training. But it would not work here. Why? Because NJ would make it a tool of denial just like they do with purchase permits. I can easily see "Yes the state run CCW class is held on wed at noon and is only available on odd months the first week of the month and the waiting list is 8 months out and growing".