Shane45

HP, our conversation regarding your XD has become very clear now after seeing your Brazo's

You have made it clear that for you, eye relief of the elcan is an issue. Having had MANY run my rifle with the Elcan who did not have this issue, it appears to me you are in the minority. Since it didnt work for you, it appears your experience is very limited. So what is it you have to offer for info on the Elcan other than eye relief was an issue for you Im not sure why your still stuck on that??? Like I said, Id rather hear about something, I would assume, you have actual experience with, your Razor. I'd also love to hear from anyone running a Leupy Mk6 1-6. Some may want to consider an American made optic over one made in Japan IIRC.

Again, your experience that eye relief of an Elcan is short is not the usual experience. In regards to experience, I want to hear form the guy with more than a cursury glance under his belt on any given topic. It would be far more usefull to hear about your experience with your Razor then your apparently very short experince with someone elses Elcan.

Define "played with one". Half a mag, a full mag, all day long on a course of fire? The larue is for sure. But not because of the extension. Its clamping method is. If you have a very long min eye relief scope then you may end up with no choice but to use a mount that is heavily offset or bridge the rail system. This is why Larue and ADM make mounts with various offsets obviously. But I would prefer to not run such a heavy offset. So I select optics with sufficient eye relief/eye box that works with a mount with no offset. Optics, how you see them through your own eyes, is HEAVELY individual and subjective. What you see may not be what I see. If you need a 4" eye relief, then the Vortex is for you. But I would say that the need for extended eye relief is not the common scenario. Now if we were talking about an Acog TA01NSN, that would be the other end of the spectrum. For some its ok, but for most the eye relief is to short. If/when the Razor comes out with optional reticles, id be interested in getting hands on. But having played with a US Optics 1-8, that probably is my next purchase.

Negative on both. Im 6'2" with a condor wingspan so I dont run my stocks short and I dont shoot NTCH. I had no issues with eye relief. In fact I could see a 4" eye relief possibly being an issue on an AR. If your not running a monolithic upper you are probably going to need a mount that hangs the optic forward of the mounting clamp to the upper or your going to have to bridge the upper and the rail system(speculation on my part having not had one in hand). I dont care for doing either. You have to remember that the eye relief number may not tell the entire story. What really matters is the overall eyebox. Have you actually run an Elcan or are you just speculating on the posted numbers? Because once you get behind one and you see the forgiving eyebox and the very large field of view, I have yet to hear anyone complain of the eye relief. I wear glasses so Im pretty sensitive to eye relief. I ran the Elcan on 2 308 rilfes without issue.

I had no issues with eye relief. It is actually quite good. The big advantage to this optic IS its ability to go from 1 to 4 and back with the flick of a lever. That and a daylight usable red dot. Mine was a later gen so I had no issues with mounting. I also had no issues with zero but I believe many who did just didnt know how to zero them properly. Its a good optic, a bit heavy for a 5.56 IMO. I ran mine on a 308. Im not a fan of the Razor myself, if Im going for more mag, I want a true mil based reticle.

A 1/16 center drill has a 3/16 body. Doesnt sound like that would work for what your up to unless the center its seldf is enough to get depth. If I needed a clean hole of that size I might just use a short end mill.

With it removed it feels like a normal mil trigger instead of stupid heavy and mushy.

Im pretty sure he knows where its pointed as IIRC this is his own private range on his property.

Not useless, useless to you Bill.....

The design is actually from about 8 or more years ago. The weight is actually not as bad as it might look. It is actully less than a carry handle sans optic. And there was plenty of room to reduce weight. Instead of blurbing Ill just copy and past the benafits from the original slick. Unitized design • No mismatch in heights between Aimpoint mount and BUIS • Superior strength of the mount • Superior clamping surface and improved repeatability • Everything is always there where you need it. Integrated rear sight • Co witness in the lower 1/3 of the optic • Rear sight is far stronger than flip up rear sights • It is always up. In the event of a dot optic failure there is no need to take your eyes off of the danger area or threat. Just adjust your cheek weld to pick up your irons. No looking down or being distracted by trying to deploy the flip sight. • For those that prefer irons for longer shots, its an easy cheek weld transition. Clamp mounting instead of quick release • Because of the unitized design there isn’t many reasons to take it off and have to re-zero. • A number of individuals returning from current operations expressed that although quick release is nice, they still felt the need to re-zero before any operation. This was an issue. They expressed that a unit that was just mounted and left would be a big advantage. • If you do need to remove, you are only removing 1 item instead of 2 (Aimpoint mount and BUIS, both needing a zero check) instead of just the unitized mount. Near future designs • A unit for the mounting of the Aimpoint M4. • A unit with a flip up rear as the market simply demands it.

Machining the unitized Aimpoint mount/A3 sight I designed, fairly difficult. Punching a hole in a slide, not so much......

Sets off my BS meter. Nagin wanted confiscation. They confiscated A LOT of weapons. And when the courts decided against them for doing so and ordered them returned, Nagin sidestepped this by requiring proof of ownership froma populace that lost everything. So practically no one got their stuff back. Go look up the pics of the piles of confiscated guns and it will become clear that the author may have been in the minority.....

Roger that brother. Sounds good to me . If we aint having fun with it, whats the point right!

Premature failure risk and warrenty voiding must be accepted in order to proceed. Please dont take offence to my next comments. If you just dig the look then rock on and move foward. But in terms of increasing your speed in competitions, are you really shooting at a national master class level? The only pitol it makes sense to me to do this to is a steel gun you are trying to get the brass to burp out of the gun with the lightest load you can get to run reliably with. Not sure how well that is going to fare in a .40.... Is there still a power factor in USPSA?

Or a mill The chuck on a drill press can not tolerate lateral loads. The bearings, chuck etc etc are only designed for straight up and down.

Switch with what exactly???

Am I grabbing for just me?

What cant pass a busa on the track?!?!?! Unless its a drag strip

Post landed in wrong thread somehow.

Or they were expecting a staples order

Whoops! See how bad video games are! Hehehe http://www.storyleak.com/lapd-standoff-with-call-of-duty-video-game-statue/#ixzz2VjVRNcXY

Falling asleed in a car with needles and weapons all over the place doesnt sound .....smart!

Wile E. Coyote school of gunsmithing

It depends on what your after. The R6 and the 883 are at far ends of the spectrum. I think that actually a modern 600cc sport bike is a lot to start out with as a first ride although I know many that have done it. If cruising short hops is your thing with no real itch for performance riding, then the 883 may work for you. Something like the Yamaha FZ8 may be worth considering as a first ride. Do you have a group of friends that already ride you are looking to join? I ask this because this may play into your selection. If they are all on sport bikes and you get an 883, you are likely going to find it a frustrating experience.