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The Don, perhaps there is a value in diverse messages. Like just about everything no one can embody the right answer for everyone. But I think we can agree the majority of it is in the right direction. Glass I think you better go do your homework. It is not the invention of the pro gun lobby. It is actually the invention of an anti gunner. The problem was that the anti gunner that came up with it was not devious like most anti gunners. He did not bend the facts into a false truth. His research changed his position on the subject entirely. But based on your comments I guess you believe the FBI and such agencies are wrong too? I guess all the states that observed a major reduction in crime right after right to cary, all had a sudden shift in race, drug policy and economics? http://www.justfacts.../guncontrol.asp

Im not sure i agree the nra message is failing. The survey of my personal sphere seems to indicate otherwise. For example my mother in law whome owns no firearms joined the nra! We have discussed topics for many years and although not anti, she was certainly reserved. Same for my dad. In fact all fence sitters i know are now solidly in our camp. I will watch it again but im pretty sure the speach included language about how they advocated stiffer penalties and gave examples.

I actually dont care for this speach to much. Its not bad mind you but I absolutely disagree with greater penalties for crimes commited with a firearm. In my view it perpetuates the demonization of the device and not the crime. It should not matter if it was a rolling pin, butcher knife, car, or luisville slugger that is used to murder, the murder should be the focus, not the impliment. Greater penalties due to the device keep the focus on the device imo.

I honestly am not that well informed on bench rest type shooting But Im fairly sure BR shooters go after magnification. So I think that something in the nighforce line might be worth a look.

A personal story. My uncle and god father whome I am very close to is a recently retired NYC LEO. We have politely disagreeing with each other for many years on the subject. One of my cornerstone arguments was that he has been exempted for so long, he does not understand what these restrictions feel like to a citizen! Well, he does now! He got a number of wake up calls. Since his was one of the nams published in that newspaper out there he now understands the REAL not imagined dangers of registration. And now that he has been made aware he is not exempt from these new laws, he is gaining a new appreciation for the plight of the subject...I mean civilian. He has now conceded many of the points we have previously disagreed upon.

It would be helpfull to understand what kind of shooting you had in mind. Tactical? Benchrest? Hunting? All different requirements....

My chilling thought for today. If Corzine where stil in office, I think we might have beat NY in a race to madness!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/ny-gun-control-laws-anger-police-retired_n_2495417.html

Consider anything in this industry like any fluid commodity like gold or oil. It will remain fluid until presidents stop talking about enacting a ban and states stop perpetrating bans. I still cant believe there are those out there that want absolute price stability in one of the most unstable times ever!

Indeed!

Exactly!

I bet a lot of people in NY werent worried....until now!

jamesbod, the supply chain was already taxed. Prior to Sandy Hook manufacturers were already announcing no more backorders. IIRC Colt and Ruger announced no more backorders months before the incident. After a succeffull ban and an unstable ground at best with the current administration, I really cant fasthom the suprise... On the topic of screwing your existing customers...is it? It seems countless customers are lining up to be "screwed". If I walk up to you and offer you 30,000 for your car and someone else walks up and offers 40k, who is getting the car? Unfortunatly there must be a metric ton of deep pockets out there that dont care. Its story after story of people that barely know the dangerous end of a rifle walking in and dropping major coin on HIGH $$$ rifles. Those with any sense of awareness have made sure they have their basics LOOOOONG before now. http://www.storybookcastle.com/stories/stories/?source_file=the_ant_and_the_cricket

Show me the vendor with inventory at pre Newt pricing please. One thing I have noticed about the shooting community, they often fail to differentiate between business and being pro2A. They are not they same! Although many gun and gun related business' are also pro2a, they are by and large a business first! As a business you pick your strategy and march on. If you believe in a long haul strategy, that will likely reflect in your pricing. Not all have this strategy. Consider this whole thing the same as a run on the bank. You want your money out before it collapses! What comes out of Obama's mouth in the next 48 hours could effectively end A LOT of careers and lively hoods. Preparing for that possibility is a business stratagy for sure. The pro 2a consumer often erroneously thinks the gun business is going to employ counter productive business practices because of the cause. It just isnt so. When I release products to the civy market every once in a while, do you know how many fights I have with people demanding, DEMANDING I sell the product at a loss because "we are all gun guys"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jrfly, do this, go pick 10 populer semiauto pistols on GB. Say a P30 and a FNX45. Put them on your watch list. Tell me how many are still there tomorrow even at 175% pricing they are currently at!

jrfly3006, blaming the market reaction to the gun grabers is like blaming guns for shootings. The cause, the gun grabers, has had the effect of a run on all available products. The gun grabers are the cause, not the reaction. Blame them. In a free market the fattest wallets win. Thats the way it is. I love my fellow gun owners but I dont thing any of them are going to link hands in a circle and sing the song of making sure everyone has theirs. Are those panic buying really my fellow shooter? I suspect not. Or are they they cricket that pointed and laughed when we all worked hard to aquire and stow away what we felt was imprtant to have only to now have said cricket crying at the door he is cold and hungry...and gunless!

Catching up on some previous posts, it seems to me some have funny idea about the profit margins in the firearms industry! I also think many fail to realise that in almost all cases, giving a lower price is simply handing your profit over to someone else. I like what one distributer did. He took the current market price of mags, but donates the difference. They earned my respect. http://www.skdtac.com/Magpul-PMAG-Gen-M3-30-rnd-AR-M4-p/mag.502.htm

I can tell you its not the manufacturers. Most of them were already running at full capacity so this hasnt changed. The new challenges have been materials, parts, ammo to test fire. The reflection in increased manufacturing costs are of courese going to be reflected in price but for the most part it has been contained. I find it hard to fault distributers as well because of the clear uncertainty of the situation but some certainly have exceeded what most would consider fair. But again that is hard to evaluate because its a "manufactured" emergency. I think its a bit different than charging $50 for a gallon of water in an actual disaster scenario and a true humanitarian need. The secondary market is where, depending on your view, the "profit, a$$ raping, gouging, etc etc has occured. But again, considering there is a risk of never being able to replace what you sell, what is a fair price? I admit to being astounded seeing semiauto rifles fetching 4k and pistols closing in on 2k but it is happening by the tens of thousands of times a day I suspect. Just who is buying this stuff is curious to me, however.

Your my hero!

There was a steady stream of good speakers at the onset. Seems the wackadoo's were late.

O god, a guy with an infowars paper! This aint gonna go well.....

Well in that perspective, I dont think there is any way to tell. Who knows at what time state laws about registration changed. Hell it was not to long ago driving while drinking a beer in Texas was still legal!!!

Is it still operational?

Funny how the few anti's making comments seem like total wack jobs!!!!

Seems neither are on the top running... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/21/states-with-the-most-guns-in-2012.html

GO GRANDMA. Im dead serious, they seem to be our new best friend!!!!!!!!! My mother in law whome owns no guns joined the NRA over this stuff!!!!!!!!!!