Shane45
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Anselmo, some towns are hiding behind the guide claiming the extra steps they are incorporating are based on the guide. Now since the AG's office has now stated that the guide IS SOP for the towns, it in effect locks them in to following procedure of whats in the "guide" and not turning around and saying its only a guide when all these crazy new requirements prove to NOT be in the guide. Long story short it will stop them from popping up on each side of the fence that suits them.
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Wheres the "When the lease is up" Selection?????
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SOP declaration is very important for various reasons. A town will not be able to claim it as just a guide. When we sue a town for an egregious requirement and they reference the guide, it will need to be produced to prove their case. I have a STTTTRRRROOOONNNNGGGG suspicion that requiring essays from you wife, permission slips from cohabiting family members or letters from your job will not be found in the guide.
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I see no bio's on their webpage...... Another hurdle will be a willing host.....
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Never do? Thats funny! Not hating just an observation.
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I dont think its putting out any as I dont think its actually running. My guess is that it is being force fed air to give the appearance of operation. Well done just the same.
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I really dig that Beretta. They promise it will be out for the civy market. It realy looks like a well thought out rifle. I cant wait to get hands on!
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Yeah private range as in privately owned with no membership is the only place ive come across where its even a discussion
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I remember reading and speaking with a few in the know that the "dust tests" had some fairly serious flaws. These surrounded 2 different batches of magazines. 1 good batch, 1 bad batch. And IIRC rifles that didnt do so well in test one did FAR better when retested with a good batch of mags......but that test is never really referenced and little known. So I look at that entire test with a bit of reserver about its results. What I cant understand is how people charged with carrying out such tests could not see an issue with testing rifles with different "controls".
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I have no interest whatsoever in a retrofit system sych as the HK, CD, or ADCOR. This only leaves the SCAR and ACR. I can certainly understand why a CO. like KAC pulled out. They spend a TON on R&D so to be asked to hand that over to competitors wouldnt sit well with me either. I have been fairly close to the dev of piston driven AR retrofits and I have seen enough that it will never be a route I would go as a retrofit. I think all these co that do that are on the wrong path. A completly new upper design that fits an AR lower and uses very little if anything at all of the existing AR upper is the way to go. Designed ground up as a piston upper, not a retrofit trying to make parts work in a way they were never designed to.
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If I were a SAS op going deep in indian country I would not want to dic k around with anything but the system I use the most. Again, keep in mind its not just a rifle. its a system so when I need IR NV Optics etc etc to function too, that makes the decision more than just the rifle its self.
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How do you watch something already dead die? You sound like Herchal! LOL
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"Logistics, spares, etc. is not a huge deal... we already source our stuff from one place (Colt)," I think we are just going to heavily disagree here. And by the way Colt is by no means the only contractor. In fact I believe current contract is held by Saber Defence. "Not really... with all due respect to former USMC here, just make them use what the Army does" This is not a realistic solution. Different roles and missions dictate different tools for the job. I think 10k rounds is more than a few hundred http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2011/11/army-carbine-bidding-colt-smith-wesson-out-112511w/
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What makes you think these kinds of tests arent going on. I think you would probably be suprised at how much testing is always going on. BUT I cannot think of a single time for any of these tests I was priviy to info on that it was not absolutely forbiden for any of it to hit the public eye. "What I don't understand is the resistance to fair competition" What resistance do you mean? "But for the military... why is it such a big deal to question this weapons system and look towards a replacement?" Its a big deal because its not just a weapon system, its parts, training, logistics etc etc etc on a LARGE scale. And here in lies one of the largest problems with selection. One size does not fit all. Big Army wants one thing. The Marines have a different mindset. And SOCOM has an ever evolving set of features. So it makes platform selection......complicated. Personally I have NO emotional investment in equipment. I do not care how much I paid for it. I dont care what brand it is. I simply want the best that meets my criteria. What I can say is that all 3 of the rifles I own are all among the most tested rifles ever and all 3 have been combat proven. I would say that I have what is probably the most expensive AR out there. If something tomorrow came out that was better, tested, combat proven, and met my criteria then what I have would likely be replaced. Less expensive would be nice! But if you dont invest equal effort in its use and deployment, then all you have is an incomplete package...
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OK I went and found it. Im not going to leave this up here long in case there is some issue since it now looks like they charge for access to it. M16 Vs. AK47/Galil http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/ak/ak-2.gifhttp://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/car15/car15-sf-notext.gif One of the most common debates in weapons forums on the web is the M16 Vs. AK47 issue - which one is the better assault rifle. As probably the only western army in the world that have used both an AK47 variant (IMI Galil) and the M16 on a large scale, the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) is often brought as a real life example. The pro M16 guys claim that the IDF usage of the M16 is a clear evidence of the weapon's quality, while the pro AK47 guys claim that the IDF switched from IMI Galil to the M16 only since it received them free of charge from the U.S. The truth is that the M16 is by far the more superior weapon. It's lighter, more accurate, more versatile, and with proper maintenance it is very reliable. Indeed, it might be less sand proof then the Galil/AK47 series. However, all you need is to clean it once a day and it will work like a charm. In fact, most of the myth regarding the unreliability of the M16 date back to the Vietnam War when the M16 was first issued. The 5.56 ammunition given then to the troops used a low quality sticky powder that caused massive buildup of dirt in the M16 mechanism, and eventually to jamming problems. When the ammunition was changed, the misfire problems disappeared as well. The IMI Galil on the other hand, is heavy, not accurate and you can't place any optics on it without special adapters. Many people also don't like the Galil/AK safety mechanism but that's more an issue of a personal preference. The M16 design on the other hand is very user friendly, allow numerous modifications to be made on the weapon. The large number of M16 variants used by the IDF for dozens and dozens of years of continuous combat deployment is a clear evidence of that. Thus, the reason for the IDF usage of the M16 over the Galil isn't the cost. It's the pure quality of the M16 over the Galil. Most of IDF troops dislike the Galil and will take a CAR15/M4 over it any day. Those who are using the cost factor are simply unaware of the IDF assault rifles history. Short review - up until the mid 1970's the IDF standard issue assault rifle was the FN FAL. At that time most of the elite units were using the AK47, which was considered to be much better then the FAL. In 1973 during the Israeli-Arab Yom Kippur War the U.S. made a massive airlift to Israel containing large sums of brand new M16A1 and CAR15. However, after the war, in 1974, the IDF adopted the IMI Galil as its new standard issue assault rifle so the M16 remained in storage. The Galil wasn't a big success to say the least. Most of the IDF elite units weren't impressed with the new weapon and remained with the AK47, which also had a deniability capability in covert deep insertions operations. In the late 1970's few Special Forces (SF) units started to try out the CAR15 and were tremendously impressed. A decade later, by the late 1980's, almost all elite units were already armed with CAR15 which was replacing the IMI Galil SAR and the AK47. Note that this was years and years before the IDF officially adopted the M16 in the early 1990's. The IDF SF units that adopted the CAR15 didn't had any cost issue at mind. They could have used either the M16 or the Galil. It made no matter budget wise, since both weapons were already available in masses. The decision was purely quality based and no one told the units which weapon to use. More clearly - in some IDF elite units the Galil was simply never used! They always preferred the CAR15 over it. Following the SF units weapon of choice influence, in the early 1990's the IDF officially adopted the M16 family as its new standard issue assault rifle for all infantry oriented units, including both SF and conventional units. The IMI Galil is used only be the Artillery Corps, Armor Crops, stationary elements in the Anti Aircraft Corps and rear line units. Lets again review the situation in the early 1990's. The IDF had large sums of Galil variants it procured over the years. On the other hand it also had large sums of M16 it received in the 1973 war as well as in U.S. Army surpluses shipments over the years. Both weapons were available in masses and there wasn't any current or near future need to procure either weapon. the IDF also had thousands and thousands of AK47 that were captured over the years. So the IDF could always use the AK47 free of charge over M16 or Galil. Eventually, the IDF chose the M16, so again cost wasn't really an issue when the decision was made. However, even if there was such a cost factor then the IDF could have simply supply all rear line troops with the cheaper M16 and issue the more expensive Galil to the front line troops. The fact that the exact opposite was done speaks for itself. Moreover, some times the cost is less of an issue. The IDF often buy expensive Israeli weapons since it's forced too by inner-Israeli political pressure. For example, the IMI forced the Israeli Police to buy the Jericho 941 handguns. The IDF managed to escape the pressure in this case and got the much better Sig Sauer 228/226. The Israeli M240 Sufa ("Storm" in Hebrew) jeep is yet another example. Let's review the situation today. The IDF no longer receives M16 for free. instead Israel receives from the U.S. few billion dollars per year of Foreign Military Support (FMS). However, the catch is that most of this money must be spent in Dollars back in the U.S. Also, for several reasons most of the IDF orders are registered as U.S. Army orders. This allows the IDF to largely enjoy from the quantity discounts the U.S. Army receives on its large orders. The M4 series is indeed cheaper then the Galil or even the new Tavor series. In order to buy gear and weapons using the U.S. FMS the item must be at least 50% made in the U.S. This is why the IMI is currently looking to build a factory in the U.S. - so that the IDF could buy the Tavor using FMS. But as usual IMI was very slow, and the IDF already procured large sums of the M4 replacing the CAR15. Not to mention that the Bullpup concept of the Tavor is very problematic since it doesn't allow simultaneous usage of both shoulders during combat. A major tactical disadvantage, especially in Close Quarters Battle (CQB) or in urban fighting. Yet, it appears that IDF will eventually buy the Tavor. To summarize, the IDF chose the M16 over the AK47/Gail because the M16 is the better assault rifle in all parameters that matter. As for reliability, the M16 is reliable enough. As for cost it's a non issue. Buying weapons today is cheap. In fact, for modern armies who buy large sums, most optical sights cost much more then assault rifles per unit.
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"And the Israelis switch is easily explained. They get their ARs from us. Economics! Free guns...that's why they use them" Glenn, this is simply not the case. It used to be publicly available but now you have to subscibe. There is an article on isayeret.com, the isrraeli special forces websight that basically explains why and it was not economics at all. It was because the AR outperformed the Galil in all catagories that mattered.....
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"This is why I feel like even if there is a difference in performance between comparable ammo, that difference won't effect the outcome as much as training and user error." I agree with the small addition of shot placement which after everything I have seen is probably the largest factor, generally speaking. In the end if you love the AK, by all means have at it. Choices are a great thing. If asked what I prefer, its an AR. But in the end I enjoy the debate and discussion. But I leave the AK lovers with this question. Why did the Rusky's move on from the AK toward a more AR like caliber? Why did the Isralis who had arguably the best AK ever made, the Galil varient ditch them in favor of M4's in a Desert environment?!?!?!?!?
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Hehehe, I really needed that laugh today Caine! Thank you! Ray, the problem is that you have your physics wrong. Velocity increases energy exponentially. This is why you see a point in which high velocity rounds start zipping through steel. For example take a 150 grn 308 and increase the velocity about 15% to that of a 300 winmag and you get a 25% increase in energy. Another example. 7.62X39, weight 123 grns, velocity 2355 fps = 1513 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle. 223, weight 62 grns (roughly half the weight) velocity 3100(about as close as you will get because 7.62x39 is slow) = 1322ft lbs of energy. Certainly not half the energy og the 7.62X39 Even the winchester specialty load with lower velocity comes in at only 25% less energy and its only going 400 fps faster than 7.62 x 39! PDX1 Defender 223 at 60 grains going 2750fps = 1007ftlbs add 25% velocity to a 55 grn 223 and energy jumps to 1800ft lbs of energy!!!!! That is a 178% increase in energy!!!! VJ my point in comparing apples to oranges was to illustrate the potentially false economics of 7.62X39 ammo when it comes to self defence. I know it is a topic of much debate but in my opinion ball 7.62X39 and ball 5.56 are about even(but not even in usefull trajectory) and both even have good and bad performers. From what I understand bulk ball 7.62X39 from china has actually been fairly effective in actual combat because it yaws real well etc etc. But others drill neat holes with little damage. And of course we have that in 5.56 as well with 318 and 855. So I suspect that performance 7.62X39 may be in the same league as 5.56 performance ammo. But if they are rough;y equl, then I will certainly prefer the better trajectory charactaristics of 5.56
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You can have a .45, for example, with a higher power factor feel like it recoils less than a .40 with a lower power factor. What matters to feel is the time the recoil impulse is imparted to you. This is why .40's tend to feel snapier even though the energy is less. The recoil impulse is very short comared to the longer recoil impulse of the .45. So even if they were dead even in power factor, I think you would "feel" less from the .45. Hope that came out clearly This is purely speculation on my part. I havent tested this theory.
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I understood your comment. Thers A TON to be had. You could likely google for days on the subject. Im on my way out the door or id look u some refernces I have read in the past but think of it this way. Would you rather be shot by ball .45 or performace 9mm. Ill choose ball!!!
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I got in trouble the last time I posted such things here due to extreme graphic nature! But think about it, ball ammo vs ammo designed for maximum effect. EVen in its own caliber I think the differences would be dramatic. BUT as I always say, there is no magic bullet. http://www.shopcorbon.com/Self-Defense-JHP/762x39-125gr-CORBON-Self-Defense-JHP/SD762X39125-20/100/Product
