Shane45

Glenn, he is giving anylisis, not excuses. And Im sure during his time as an instructor at asymetric warefare he seen a sandy rifle or two I will concede to you AK boys that the AK is more accurate than its given credit for. But I think you guys need to give a little credit to a modern tier 1 AR.... https://danieldefense.com/torturetest

Along with his extensive credentials, knowing a few that are friends with Mike Pannone, his credibility is secured in my mind.... http://www.defensereview.com/the-big-m4-myth-fouling-caused-by-the-direct-impingement-gas-system-makes-the-m4-unreliable/

Just how many rounds does one need to be able to shoot before maintanence. If EVER is your answer buy an AK. The consript is what was in mind in its design. If reasonable is your answer and you care about all the advantages the AR platform offers, then go AR. Two of the biggest deal breakers for me in an AK platform is the same deal breaker for the M1A and the FAL. I detest hinged mag systems and weapons that mounting optics are a pita for...... I admit all my AR's are top tier but all have been absolutely reliable. Some that I own are specifically designed and tested to run about 2000 roounds supressed with no cleaning or lube. That is reliable enough for me. The fact that its a solid .6 moa gun and that I can mount whatever I want to it with ease is all a bonus! My other ar has a number of field reports of super high reliability. Travis Hailey reportedly has 90k+ rounds through his on the same barrel and bolt. So my answer is obviously cake and eat it too And in my mind that can be done on the AR platform. On more thing thats a deal breaker, no BHO on the ak

OK I admit I would rather have a .380 than nothing, but if I could have something, a 9mm is the absolute bottom id be willing to go.....

Despite the fact I have been a long time COD fan, when I looked at the online gameplay vids, it really looked like MW2.1 and having reached a point of bordom with COD, I found myself not in any great rush to buy it. I did pop for BF3. Alas the boy talked gramdma into buying it for him so it ended up here anyway. So I gave it a dance. So my readers digest review is this. MW3 is for the kids, BF3 is for the adults. MW3 is to checkers as BF3 is to Chess. It seems to me there will be more broad appeal for MW3 because anyone can jump in and play spray and pray. But Im finding BF3 more appealing because there is much more in the decision making process to the game play. And after playing them back to back reveals how astounding the graphics of BF3 are even if they arent at 60 frames per second!

If you like the coffee table that much Ill sell it to you but in the name of full disclosure the dog put a few teeth marks in it

Although not a precision rifle it shoots like one. Heres a group from my AR pattern 308. No bipod, no bag, just slung over a piece of wood proned out. My rifle is the left side. Anothers rifle I gave a dance is on the right. I had serious issues with cheek weld with his rifle and thus couldnt tap into the accuracy I know its capable of. And heres the group from the AI when I sighted in the scope. left was sighting in, right was group.

Well.... it was for a while but I never took any pics

Some previous ones: Gen1 DSA SA58c Gen2(I think) LMT MWS

raz-0, it seems your focus on what I am calling a broad spectrum rifle is only on distance. The other considerations are pentration on barriers, brush deflection, vehicles etc etc not just effective distance.(thats some of what makes up my concept of a broad spectrum rifle) But of course effective distance matters . Theres simply no substitute for energy on taget. A 5.56 simply isnt in the same league. I also disagree with the 16 vs 18. There is practically no difference. 20 or 25 fps simply isnt going to make a difference worth considering. In fact I have seen some 16's outclock some 18's and 20's due to the quality of the 16" barrel being used. The overall length of my 308 vs my 556 is about an inch and a quarter and this is likely due to the brake on the 308 being longer. The weight of the 308 is about 1 pound more than the Colt 6940 5.56. As far as handling, I had the second fastest run at a match with my 308 in a sea of 5.56's. In fact most didnt know I was shooting a 308 until they saw the huge difference in the reaction of the hanging 100yd steel plate in the course of fire. There was no issue with the SCAR being liked. It didnt make sense to keep buying a model that was only 5.56 when there is a mutli cal reciever available from FN that can go either 5.56 or 308. That and lack of funds drove the program to just fullfill current need for the 308 version for now. No matter what is being said on the forums, I simply dont think that the 6.5 or 6.8 or whatever wonder caliber comes along is going to replace items that are already in channel. In fact the US, New Zealand and Britain have all adopted 308 DMR's. The ONLY one I think you will see go anywhere is the 300Blk. But that is a differnt catagory altogether. In the end I think we are close enough on most points though and we all agree he has to ID his needs . Like I said in his other thread, the broad spectrum rifle is a sea of compromises. Many find the path of a all purpose 5.56 and a "DMR" style 308 a better way to go. But after a fair amount of time, effort and testing, Im happy with my end result. But it is certainly not for the fient of wallet!!!!!!

I think the poll is useless because any trainer seeing these posts and the soap opera that represents the shooting sports community of New Jersey would likely run far and fast!!!

Cost and Value are two different things and are an individual perception.

Not to insert myself into this fray but I sit in the unique position of knowing all parties personaly. So I had a productive conversation with Nick/Tosser on the phone. I would say that there is perhaps a diferent/new perspective on the situation at this point so I would kindly suggest everyone take a deep breath and back away from the keyboard for a while. Lets revisit this after the class and the subsequest after class beers! Shane

"i dont know how to make it bigger" And thats what he said!!!

Im going to take a chance and make a little assumption here because someone that has experience shooting 1k wouldnt be asking these questions. So I would say you have a good long ways to go before you reach a skill set for 1k shooting. A LOT of variables would need to fall into place for a 16" to accuratly shoot 1k and generally speaking Id call it a no go. But this raises the question of what is so special about 1k? Im fine with mine being all in at about 800. If I wanted to shoot beyond that, it really would be a different platform altogether. And likely not a semi. You need to better identify exactly what you want the rifle to do. So far it sounds like a mismatch for an FAL.

But then it wouldnt be from Red Jacket!

I would. My "Holy Grail" is in fact 308. In my mind the AR pattern 308 is a better platform for many reasons. But those reasons typically go above and beyond the base definition of battle rifle. I love the ruggedness and reliability of a quality FAL. However, the controls simply suck and I hate any system with a hinged mag system. Also mounting optics on a FAL is a challenge and compromise in its self. And in my opinion because of the design, accuracy is a DEEP DEEP rabbit hole that will cost dispreportionate amounts of money to catch up with off the shelf solutions in the AR pattern arena. I cut loose with my DSA SA58c long ago for these reasons. A solid base rifle can always be built upon. You should seek out Tactical Monkey here on the forums, he has a solid 308 Pattern AR for sale that you can decide on the amount of accessories you would like with it. Shane

The greater the scope of capabilities you want the carbine to cover, the more compromises you must be willing to make. I DO believe in the concept of the broad spectrum rifle. But it is a hard path littered with empty wallets!!!!

I would think you could also push on the divot on the bolt carrier through the port. I believe this was the original design intention before there was a forward assist. Of course your pushing the other way, however

Id say you can find anyone training anything these days! I agree with Joel, invites getting timed!!!

To me its just not worth the troube to have to prove in court that its a logo, not a model.....and such is the sad starte of affairs we call NJ

Joel, your preference would be back off the barracade and slice the pie to aquire target exposing as little as possible? I have to take these things into consideration, I have a BIG melon!

I think if a prosecuter wanted to give you a hard time for it, he could.

No problem brother The linup of sights in our testing are the following: Irons Triji Acog TA33H-G 3x Two Aimpoint T1 Micro's Aimpoint M4 Elcan Specter Dr 1 to 4 power. US Optics 1.8-10(on the docket for testing)

In order Kpd, the dot sights were an Aimpoint M4 2 moa dot and a T1 Micro 4 moa dot. Both of which operate the same as a Eotech in that regard. Joel, what I am invisioning from BBK's description would be the same as angling the bottom of the rifle to the right to clear the mag in a super low prone position, but doing it over cover to keep the profile small. At least thats what I took him to mean.