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I totally agree, this is bull crap. However it does represent one small step. At least a local PD cannot say they are asking for a notarized letter and claim the NJSP Guide tells them to do so.

Their position is that although the requirements are public, they must keep secret their 'investigative procedures.' It's total BS but at least it helps to fight towns making additional requirements such as credit reports, notarized statements from spouses or employers, etc. As I said in my other post, the sad fact is that most NJ citizens have a low opinion of firearms and the people who own them, and indeed believe discriminating against us is a good thing. Don't blame the AG, governor, legislature, the courts or the police. This is the will of your fellow citizens.

Not exactly, you should read the certification from the NJSP in the last filing. The NJSP representative says the reason it is not necessary to publish the guide is that there is nothing in the guide that is not already published in the statute. The clear implication is that anything a local PD tries to do outside the statute is therefore outside the guide and therefore not permitted. No more trying to blame the NJSP Guide. Unfortunately I completely agree with you here. The bottom line is we are a minority in NJ, with a position that is generally unpopular. Asking for fair treatment under the law is similar to a black man asking for fair treatment in 1964 Alabama. The regulations are oppressive and the authorities don't even have to abide by the few protections that exist. I think the only hope lies in federal courts, or in leaving this place entirely.

Eddie, When I hear the term "closeted" I usually think of someone going out of his way to hide something. I think most of the folks here on this site do not feel they have anything to hide whatsoever. There are definitely those in NJ who buy into the notion that gun ownership is some type of vice and I am sure they go out of their way to keep the activity like a dirty secret. I participate in NJ2AS and shooting club activities, make a point to introduce my anti-gun friends to shooting, and never avoid expressing my opinion with people when the situation is appropriate. Bumper stickers however, are just not my cup of tea.

I don't have any bumper stickers of any kind on my car. Its none of anyone's business my political ideas, activities, etc. Plus I have no need to put a "valuable firearms inside" alert to burglars driving by my home. Any time a conversation comes up that I'm interested in I have no problem stating my opinions or beliefs. Does that make me a closet gun owner?

State Farm has excellent rates as long as you have a clean record, over 25, etc.

It's simple. Make it a 100 pound trigger. Bingo, no more ND's, ever.

I don't know where some of you guys are buying your 9mm target ammo from. I just picked up several 1,000 round cases of RWS 124 grain, which is excellent quality, from targetsports.com for $210 each including shipping.

So, when can I carry in NJ?

BFD People have a right to make cartoons of Mohammed, people have a right to make buildings that remind others of 9/11, people have a right to evoke whatever images that they want. Its time to quit being shocked, SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY every time someone does something we don't find appealing.

This is why I get pissed when environmental issues get split among party lines. It doesn't matter if you are Republican or Democrat, wasting resources is bad, pollution is bad, relying on foreign sources for energy is bad. If we could cut out the partisan bickering we should be able to strike the right balance of taking care of the environment and the economy.

Will be interesting to see some independent test results. My prediction: people who suck will buy them, and they will still suck.

Apex makes a spring kit for the SD pistol. Might be a long shot but I am under the impression the SD shares some components with the old Sigma. Their customer service is legendary so I would recommend giving them a call to find out if the kit is interchangeable. Heck, you might even get Randy Lee answering the phone and I would not be surprised if he had some good advice on what to do next even if he has no products for you. https://apextactical....php?pid57.html

I really believe litigation in Federal court all the way up to the SCOTUS is the ONLY hope for NJ. The unfortunate truth is most people in NJ are either strongly opposed to gun rights, or at least are uncomfortable with them. Legislative action, protests, and even voting will have little impact. A mass application for CCW permits by even a few thousand people will be written off as a stunt by a lunatic fringe, just like most people here think about OWS.

OK, I guess I am pretty hip. Now it makes sense where I live.

In other news, Frank Lautenberg and Carolyn McCarthy are introducing a bill to close the cannonball loophole. "Someone has to protect the children, this is just common sense regulation" they screeched.

Its not just a proper holster, if you open carry you need to have a good deal of training in retaining the weapon, grappling, etc. While I support the right for someone to OC, I personally am not a fan in most urban or suburban environments. This incident is one reason.

Obama is not another Hitler. He is a Muslim out to rape all the white women. Get your facts straight, USA Ammo.

I imagine that by declaring the guide a standard, even if its secret, it establishes a benchmark to say towns are not complying with that standard. In fact if you read page 5 of the NJSP's certification, they basically say you don't need to see the guide becuase the requirements for an application are public and municipalities are not permitted to add additional ones. This seems the lynchpin to preventing towns from adding whatever nonsense they want. But Godamit New Jersey. Godamit.

Damn it, the NJSP is using the Chewbacca Defense! Not fair!

The GFH podcast is the only one I listen to regularly. If the published statistics are accurate, he must have more listeners outside NJ than from within the state which I find interesting. I think it's Anthony's good natured, nurturing positive message of kindness that really strikes a chord with people.

Exactly, which is why this "plan" is pathetic. What are you supposed to do if you run into an armed intruder while going through the halls? What if you check the doorknob and find the guy in the room with a hostage? What if the police are told all the students and teachers are safely in the rooms and they find you sneaking around and mistake you for a bad guy? This whole thing puts you at risk by having you stay in a dangerous location, and puts everyone else at risk by setting you up to complicate a bad situation by stumbling into something for which you have no training or qualification.

I give it another hour before someone here on the forum turns out to be a mailman, and and starts a crapstorm over how offended he is at the mail-man-bashing on this site.

Because this is a gun forum. Specifically, a NJ Gun Law forum. Somewhere out there is a union discussion forum where that would be a great topic to bring up.

That's really the question you should ask your employer. Are they asking you to fill in temporarily in a drill, or are they actually expecting you to stay behind in a building, walking the halls with a potentially dangerous criminal around? If they ARE expecting an untrained civilian to stay behind in a dangerous situation, then I would seriously have a problem with that.