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If you are referring to me and offering the recommendation for me, I thank you kindly but just to point out- I have an SGM Quad Rail forend. Love it . Was reasonably priced, very very good at what it is and what it does, and while it's not a "rock solid Ultimak" it is 25% the price and does what I need it to do. I still need to take pics and post here.

Sold out of both apparently... there was 3 last weekend (Saturday and I guess Sunday, sometime on Sunday or into Monday the BDC reticle sold out. Nikon's BDC reticle is unique and extremely appealing because of the Nikon Spot-On ballistic software and extreme customization, this is a conversation for a different time and place). Looks like no more at all. I was just going on to buy two. ... I was going to return the ProStaff 4x I just gave my Dad as a co-gift for the 597 HB I got him, buy one of these Nikoplex Buckmasters for the 597 and another for a rainy day purchase in the future. lol. And all the thread views, nobody but you said anything...somebody needs to at least say thanks for gankin my reccomendations lol. Anyway dude I tried, sorry.

Hey I am very interested in this... I have the original Zastava PAP in 7.62x39 (unfortunately I got the matching polymer furniture like your .308, I thought I would be getting wood but when I got to CMO to pick it up it was the polymer and they were like, "Oh well you want it or not????". I am thinking either Vepr 308 or this... I like the Vepr because I can get a 16.5", change the stock and forend, and use it as both a battle-rifle and designated marksman rifle.... (Plus mags are more readily available). But I love this and Zastava makes fine fine firearms, people don't know how nice of a gun they produce. Very interested to hear your results. This to me is more of a straight-up designated marksman rifle but would like to know how you feel about carrying it as if you were carrying it during SHTF situations.

Thanks I am familiar with Ironwood I didn't realize they made the wooden Saiga 12 stocks. I do know they are huge money though, that changes my ideas because I am not sure I have $300 for a wood stock I will hopefully only use for lik 1/2 a year, we are trying to move to FL and I have plans on having a professional conversion then.

So I don't know why I am posting this because I plan on snapping one or two up after Christmas, just in case because it's a great deal and something GREAT to have "lying around" for future use! MidwayUSA is having their "end of season closeout sale" .. included among other things are some other optics including a bunch of assorted Weaver scopes (I am not a Weaver guy but if you are you should check it out). ... But I am in fact a Nikon guy and they have a pretty sweet closeout: a Nikon Buckmasters 6-18x40mm SF (Side Focus - i.e. the parallax setting is not permanently set [like 50 yds for most rimfire scopes, 100yd for most hunting scopes , etc.] )... if you are unfamiliar with Nikon- they are an excellent value company that produces absolutely fine glass for the price- perhaps one of the best values in scopes for the lower prices. They are NOT NightForce or US Optics etc. but they are not claiming to be. They compare with some of the Zeiss offerings straight up and even the mid-to-higher Leupolds... I have told the story that I lined up DIRECTLY NEXT TO EACH OTHER, side by side right after the other, a Monarch 3-9x40 and a Leupold VX3L 4.5-14x50 ... and when I did the Leupold first I thought, oh wow, these are really great... Leupold really does have some great stuff.. Then at a salesmans suggestion I tried the Monarch, and I was amazed. at the very very least this was at equal standing if not better than the Leupold VX3L, which was $1199.99 vs. $499 for the Monarch. in this case, it is a Buckmasters scope, which is on their hunting-specific line of scopes. They have great glass and features, differentiating them from the Monarch is that not every single feature is available on every single Buckmasters, there are differences in the lineup (Whereas the Monarchs have top of the line everything on every scope model). They have two reticle options left: their Nikoplex (which is basically a 'Fine Duplex' reticle- I have one on a ProStaff- it's a standard "crosshairs" style reticle with thicker outside bars and thinner inside bars. It's an IDEAL scope for hunting things like bigger-than-varmint animals like Deer - where you may not, would not, will not etc. use any type of ballistic compensation or holdover etc. I use a Nikoplex on my 4-12x40mm ProStaff on my 597 .22LR, could not be happier.) and their Mil-Dot (which is *NOT* a 'normal' Nikon reticle- for all my love of Nikon they are a hunting optics company much much more than a tactical-optics company, they have very minimal tactical-style scopes and basically only a few have a Mil-dot reticle, so this is a great deal if you need one. If I didn't have one of their top-of-the-line scopes on my Remington 700, a Monarch 5-20x44, I would probably buy this on general principle and hold it just in case). The Nikoplex reticle scope starts @ $359.99 and is on a closeout sale, 36% off, $229.99 [A savings of $130.99]... and the Mil-dot scope is retailing for $389.99 on a closeout sale, 19% off, $314.99. Anyway these are apparently one-time offers, I expect that they will never be available again as they most likely are being discontinued from Nikon. Right after I bought my Monarch last fall they announced they were rebranding their lineups and they discontinued a ton of scopes, revamped their Monarch and Buckmasters lineup and re-badged their entire ProStaff lineup with a whole new lineup of scopes. If you need a scope on the cheap this is the deal. I will probably pick one or two up for the future because I have that much great experiences with my 4 Nikons. Can't see how I would beat this in future use. Ok hope this might help someone out there.

I hate to disagree but .22LR in general and especially tactical style rifles *NEVER* get boring or old for me. Maybe it's because I've invested a lot of money into my .22s, and .22LR in general... or specifically I've invested a lot in my S&W M&P 15-22 (I have more premium furniture and optics than most people do on their regular ARs, and in fact i have discussed at the range with some people that my 15-22 is more expensive by sometimes large amounts than their 5.56 ARs )... but I cannot get bored with it. It started out as several different parts coming together... when I got my paperwork together and started buying my own firearms, I wanted to accomplish a few things- starting my firearms collection *as a collection*, as I had always wanted to collect firearms; Starting my SHTF/TEOTWAWKI collection because I always believed in S&P and believe firearms are an integral part of all S&P portfolios; and of course FUN, I thoroughly enjoy shooting and always have and believe variety is the spice of life, I would not have nearly as much fun or gain any satisfaction from say, buying one .38 Sp revolver, and going out to shoot it and only it for the rest of my life. I knew .22LR was important and the Survivalist forum and internet experts all stressed getting a .22LR rifle ASAP, so I did...but then I realized they were fun, plentiful, cheap, and most importantly really: the range I was going to (and still do to a certain extent) did not allow any rifles or rifle caliber weapons- shotguns were basically the biggest caliber (no slugs though) but you couldn't shoot anything bigger than a pistol or pistol caliber unless it was .22LR. So I had brought my 597 but quickly wanted more, got a Savage Mark II. bolt-action is great fun but then I read how the world was going nuts on the net early 2010 about the S&W M&P 15-22...so I had to get me one. Awesome decision. I think I brought it home on April Fools Day '10 and spent the next 8 months customizing it and shooting it. I can see how people with perhaps bigger collections, total AR-15/5.56 nuts, or maybe people with a more tactical mindset or job requiring it... I can see them as anti-22LR, pro 5.56 tactical blactical big guns... and even boredom with guns like my 15-22 or .22LRs ... but man, IMHO and f course many others, it's the definition of fun and a cheap great date!

hey bro I am VERY INTERESTED in that stock and to a certain extent forearm.. I have already invested in a SGM Quad Rail and Magpul RVG foregrip, Viridian X5L-RS etc. but might think about the wood as an extra, ... BUT That wood stock, very interested in it... where did you get it?!

I have a quite-basic Savage rimfire rifle in .22lr, bolt-action. it is basically a Dick's Sporting Goods special exclusive, "GXP" model... wooden stock (while many call it the "basic" wooden stock, it is the most beautiful firearm I have and really looks GREAT to me, worth *way way more* than the $149.99 I paid for it). It is the most accurate and beautiful firearm I have and is FAULTLESS. I am not sure how great the .17 HMR is PERSONALLY, but I read great things, and I Can say Savage is a great producer.

Hey thank you for your post- I am indeed familiar with the Tech Sights and have heard nothing but rave reviews for them. I will mention them, I know me I am perfectly happy with the scope on my own 597... I got lucky, I have a pretty nice scope on it for a .22lr, I got a Nikon ProStaff 4-12x40mm (which at the time was the highest ProStaff, now with the whole rebranding/re-marketing of Nikon, the ProStaff 5 series has all SORTS of scopes in the lineup) ... and it was like a $219.99 or $209.99 retail depending on where you shopped, I got it for ~$160.99 on sale ... Awesome. And for my fathers new 597 HB, I am gifting him a new Nikon ProStaff 4x32mm .. BUT I have to admit. I am seeing some last -minute sales, and perhaps there will be after Christmas closeout sales, I may wind up saying, lets return the 4x and just splurge a little more and get something truly AWESOME for it, like the Buckmasters 6-18x42mm on closeout at MidwayUSA. (The real reason I went with the ProStaff 4x32mm was my dad is the kind of guy who will appreciate it- no "messing around or having to @($# with it" i.e. , you know, adjust it lol, just zero and then look and shoot). I had trouble with the link, how much were your Tech Sights and did you or a gunsmith install them?

I bought my Mossberg 930 SPX sort of spur-of-the-moment. I had some experience shooting shotguns but not a ton. But what I would always shoot when me and a buddy went out (he also had a few in his collection) was an original-70s era Remington 1100. We would go have fun busting clays and at the time I didn't realize- I was shooting a trap/skeet legend- gas autoloading 12 gauge with light sporting -games loads , with a nice pad on the stock. It was a PLEASURE to shoot... fun and easy. I buy the 930, take it to the range and load it up with 00 Buck... well. Lets just say I was astonished how much it kicked. I mean its not that it hurt so much that I could not take the pain. It hurt but I mean I can take it. It's the violence that got to me, it was violently bashing into my shoulder ... i was almost thinking, "This isn't fun! I am not really having fun shooting this, and I can't honestly say I'd be comfortable grabbing this to use in a HD/combat situation if it isn't comfortable and controllable." A LimbSaver *changed everything*.... I mean it was night and day, went from bad to great. literally a blast to shoot, pun intended... fun, easy, comfortable and controllable. I also am lucky that my MCS T5A stock for my 700 comes with a 1" Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad... which is equally if not more amazing. Sniping has never been so easy IF I was rich enough to *really* collect guns, I mean I am proud of my (meager by most standards but still nice to me) collection but I cannot have everything or most of everything.. I can have a couple of things and a couple more things. IF I could collect whatever i wanted, of course I would add .30-06 to my portfolio and in addition to the (several) M1 Garands I'd have at least one or two .30-06 bolt-action rifles, including a 700. Something about hunting a big animal like a mule deer with a Remington 700 .30-06 ... classy classics. But I don't really hunt, can't afford things I wouldn't really use, and love my tactical .308s

BigNic that chassis is very awesome and certainly good looking, hard to deny. For me *personally* I know when I was trying to make a decision, I did not want a chassis system that looked like an AR... I didn't want an AR-style bolt-action rifle, I wanted an original 'sniper rifle' style, 'sniper rifle' build for lack of better terms. I really wanted a traditional look with a traditional stock if that was possible. (Now I am not saying if someone gave me the Remington XM2010 I would not rock it and show it off , of course not). One of the reasons I didn't get a McRees is that very reason. McRees probably is the best value for features vs. price, I just didn't want my rifle to look like that. I really liked McMillan and would have bought one but, it can be upwards of $900... plus a detachable bottom metal system for the magazines, PLUS gunsmith installation and fitting and rifle bedding for the action etc. Manners Composite Stocks was always what I wanted but I had loathed the idea of 26+ weeks wait. Actually the simplest solution for me was the AICS as I mentioned, but I really lucked into seeing a customized MCS T5A DBM that was literally made *custom for me* as I would have ordered it, on a retail website ready to order, and I had the money, boom. Lucky and lucky.

Yeah last Christmas-time I got 10 factory S-12 5 rounders and 7 ProMag 5-rounders. I had to get a file set (only a few bucks at Harbor Freight so no trouble really, worth it in this case) and all the ProMag magazines needing some filing , 6 of the 10 factory magazines also needing filing. The good thing is they all fit amazingly and working perfectly now so it was well worth it to me.

with the magwell you then have to use the specific magwell-brand magazines designed for them, right?

Here is a pick of my Saiga-12 stock when I bought it .... from top to bottom (and order of seniority) my Mossberg 930 SPX, my Remington 870 Tactical / Magpul / Police, and my Saiga 12. Modifications of the S-12 include 17+ magazines lol, SGM Tactical quad-rail forend, Magpul RVG foregrip, Viridian X5L-RS green laser/light, LimbSaver slip-on recoil pad, and hopefully soon when we move to FL I will get a full conversion done. I am still looking for my S-12 updated pics, will post when I find them on here.

I came extremely and I mean extremely close to going with AICS. I went "all the way" and went with a Manners Composite Stock which in my and many others opinion is the best on Earth but I was really liking the AICS prior to choosing Manners. If you are going to go with the AICS, at least the way *I* PERSONALLY feel, is, get the folding 2.0. You might not want it now, but you will probably want it in the future, and it's not that much more. It is heavy and a beast of a chassis system. And I am curious if you got behind one? I happen to like/love it, no problem, but if you do a bunch of Googling you will find a ton of used or slightly used ones for sale because people ordered them, put their rifle in it, actually held it for the first time and shot it, and then realized they didn't like it(some people hating it) and are trying to get their money back. BUT There are of course tons of people who love them. I would own one if they were in stock back in like March and April. *THE ENTIRE WORLDWIDE INTERNET * was sold out back early this spring-ish time. *NO ONE* had them. I had saved the money, I decided I wanted one, *NO ONE* HAD THEM. When they came back in stock, maybe May-ish or later, I didn't have the cash anymore. I saved back up and decided I liked the Manners idea and got extremely lucky to find a MCS T5A DBM exactly as I would custom order it for sale at Euro Optic and just did it. But as much as I love my Manners, I admit I would own an AICS 2.0 if they were in stock because I wanted it bad.

The thing is it has to be "regular priced" items. I was going to buy their closeout Nikon Buckmasters 6-18x40 Side focus scope... regularly $359.99 on closeout sale for $229.99 ... but you can't apply the coupon since it's "on sale". Sucks. Thanks tho I had hoped for it!

Just wanted to add a few things- got my order in for a few extras for this- a Nikon ProStaff scope (have to upgrade the "Remington" 3-9x32mm scope that comes with it... I have no idea who makes them but they're not nice..." and two Volquartsen parts for the 597. Anyone who has Remington 597's who does not have these parts should seriously consider the upgrades. Volquartsen is one of the finest companies in the business and own rimfire domination. They make tons of stuff for the 10/22 but for the 597 it's more of a niche selection- an extractor and a hammer are the big upgrades. The extractor on the 597 is one of the weak links . My 597 barely functioned before I replaced the extractor with the VQ "Exact Edge Extractor" and it REVOLUTIONIZED the gun. The "Target Hammer" reduces the trigger pull by 50% and makes the squeezing of the trigger a joy, breaks perfectly and increases accuracy. Both of these parts are very reasonable, around $20 for the extractor and $40 for the hammer. If you have a 597 I HIGHLY recommend you look into these parts.

I am not telling you to go .30-06, I have a .308, and wasn't really going in any other direction when I bought my bolt-action rifle last fall. BUT- Since the week of Newtown and every day between then and now, I have found full shelves of a wide variety of .30-06 at my local across-the-river Walmart. Cheaper stuff, fine stuff, lower weight, higher weight, PLENTY of .03-06 and NEVER been when they have not had some, and I have yet to find any .308 to buy there since Dec 2012. (And I go at least 1 time a week sometimes 2 times a day/3x a week or more.). [incidentally this Walmart has plenty and has had consistently .243, .270, .30-06 and even plenty of .300 Win Mag, but never .308). Sometimes I wish I bought a .30-06, I'd have 1000s of rounds of ammo by now.

I did not mean to sound like I was saying "nuh-uh nuh-uh yous is wrong!!" or anything like that. Before the PRO came out, generally the cheapest Aimpoint was the Comp C3 I believe . It "looks" like one of the real expensive "tube" Aimpoints but comes without a mount. Price is just under $400. Then you need a mount, whether it's a cool cantilever mount or straight up-and-down small mount or full height mount. a decent brand mount takes you close to $100 bucks. That is no joke and a huge extra expense that you don't think of when you fork over nearly $400 for the optic. (and I know a LOT Of people have made the same omission in thinking when they bought their new Aimpoints). When I bought two Aimpoint Micros in Dec. 2010, I thought I was golden because they "come with a Picatinny mount integral to the base" or something like that. But as I mentioned, no good for ARs. I was buying the two Aimpoints for my Bushmaster 5.56 an S&W M&P 15-22 and needed to go out and buy new mounts , remove the factory-included mount on the base, install then new mounts, which I found the cheapest I could get was a $70 or so Daniel Defense mount. As I mentioned, the PRO was designed as a perfect package- Aimpoint, full size, included mount, (with a riser you can use or remove), night vision compatible, 8 year battery life, etc. and it also became the cheapest Aimpoint (not counting the almost-$400 anyway Comp C3). Anyway just was pointing out thats all didn't want to sound like a nitpicker.

depends on the Aimpoint , each model is different. A lot of the bigger Aimpoints , the "Tubular" ones do not come with mounts and there are several different styles and mfg's and prices. The Micros come with simple picatinny base mounts but won't work for AR-15 applications, you need a mount that raises it up more. The PRO comes with the mount specifically designed for it so the PRO could be a self-contained super optic package.

I used a rear MBUS on my Bushmaster 14.5" HBAR (Otherwise configured like a normal AR / M4-style AR15 w/ front sight post etc.) and while I am not Wyatt Earp it was pretty much decent and shooting correctly. I also use front and rear MBUS on my 15-22 and they shoot perfectly, very good in fact. I think Vlad G had a very good post and the 6" and distance is very relevant to your situation and the effect on paper.

A classic and a timeless beauty. This is the type of thing I'd most likely not buy right out looking for one, but if I were to hit the lottery and could spend my time being a philanthropist and gun collector, I would love to add something like this to my (currently modest) collection. Congrats shoot it in health.

I have one of the early 930 SPX models and I never had much problem, but I am not a very big guy so I probably don't have the biggest hands in the world nor am I a competition shooter so I am not in a position to be having problems like that. I will say mine has been 101% perfect since day one, and having had it for close to 4 years now, I am extremely happy and very proud of it.

Hey Joe I am glad to hear you are having such success with yours! Not that I needed re-inforcement or encouragement for the purchase but it's great to have! I am a big Remington fan and also love my 597... In my "younger days" I would enjoy going to war on this and other forums defending it and explaining how I did not and do not want a 10/22, I don't like them nor Ruger, I don't care what others think, and how happy I am and how I spent countless time and effort customizing mine perfectly. I am also not in the least scared to admit- I had serious trouble with mine before I installed the VQ parts. I am sure it was also a little combination of my inexperience in general, Remington rimfire ammo which is the lowest quality there is, and the notorious 597 extraction issues.... but once I put a little faith and of course money into it, I was rewarded with what amounts to a semiautomatic "sniping system" of high high quality and most extreme fun. I came close yesterday to buying a few different scopes and then didn't. I actually was in payment process on MidwayUSA, when I realized I had an email for $20 off $100 at DSG online... and I went to buy the same scope from them, but they wouldn't honor the $20/100 deal and I wound up giving up. So I am still debating ... I know what I like and what I want but now I will just try to get the best deal for the money...and if I want to wait to see what happens after Christmas, I will be giving the scope as a gift so it's no problem , my intended 'recipient' would rather get a better scope on 12/28 than an inferior and more expensive one on 12/25. Last thing- I will say this- I looked through the catalogs. Apparently Dick's WAS selling a 597 HB ATACS with a 16.5" 5R *threaded* HB... but it was $400 nearly and on sale sometimes for $350. I would have loved that but it was not available at 3 DSG I went to and a bit more substantially priced.

So I went shopping and came home with a nice little shooter. Having scoped it out literally and quite figuratively a week or so ago, I decided to quite figuratively pull the proverbial trigger on this today. Will make a nice surprise for my Dad I surmise. Remington apparently makes quite a few distributor exclusives they call Special Runs, which are in fact identifiable on their website. I found that the Remington 597 I bought in Jan 2010 as my first longgun purchased personally, was in fact a Dick's Sporting Goods exclusive. It was/is a 597 'regular' with a 20" 'sporter' (regular) barrel, an included "Remington" 3-9x32mm scope, and an olive drab green synthetic stock that matches their SPS Varmnit line in the 700. Was an awesome package for $199.99 back then... and when I did a bunch of upgrades it has become an amazing rifle well suited to many tasks. The model I just bought is another, newer DSG exclusive- a 20" heavy barrel and when they say heavy barrel, they mean HEAVY BARREL- it is straight up SOLID. Also included was the most-likely-same 3-9x32mm Remington scope. As I upgraded my first 597 with a Nikon ProStaff 4-12x40mm, I will most likely be upgrading this one with a new (perhaps Nikon) scope as well. And the Volquartsen extractor and hammer are musts as well. Anyway I am posting this because if anyone needs an idea for gun buying or wants to treat themselves to a quite affordable and very awesome package, you should go check them out. Available at the DSG in PA near the Oxford Valley Mall (and perhaps other PA DSG's but only the basic 597 combo for $219.99 now is at NJ DSG's I found).... the HB combo is $250 whereas the sporter, "regular" barrel w/ green stock is $219.99. They are having a sale right now among other rifles they say $20 off CENTERFIRE rifles $150-$400 but I simply asked for the $20 discount for having bought so many long guns from Dick's in the past few years and they gave it to me, I'm sure it could be bamboozled by others if you ask nicely. (OH AND YOU GET 10% off a first purchase when you apply for a DSG credit card but we are saving this for a more substantial purchase in the future). Here she is in the box, not much to look at yet. And a few of my 597 in his war-paint: