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Yeah I definitely love the scent of Hoppe's #9... and Breakfree CLP is just an add-on extra scent enhancement like icing on the proverbial cake. When I bought my very first firearm, my Glock 23, I bought a few Hoppe's cleaning products. I soon after bought a .22lr Remington 597 and 12ga. Mossberg 930 SPX, then I added a Hoppe's cleaning kit for each. I wound up with a bit of Hoppe's cleaning products. I am cleaning my Glock all happy to be a new gun owner and proud I figured this stuff out when I tip over and dump about an entire bottle of #9 solvent on the carpet, DIRECTLY ON TOP OF and OVER/AROUND the heating/air conditioning vent. I was convinced I would have liver damage within the month, my room smelled like solvent for weeks lol. Nice and dreadful at the same time.

I believe that with respect to gun cleaning & care, more is better and variety is best. What I mean is that I use Hoppe's #9 and cleaning kits and Hoppe oil, but also Remington spray cleaning chemicals, dry-spray lube, a bit of RemOil, & even some other Remington cleaner products ( and live off the tubs of wipes, I have found them to be ideal and awesome and much much better/useful than Hoppe wipes)... but even so ill use tons of BreakFree CLP spray, a few lil tubes of BreakFree liquid CL and mini-CLP, and again ill even add a cleaning products here or there when I have a specific need or see something awesome or interest/on sale. On the whole, I feel like using combination of chemicals and cleaning products gives a more well rounded care regiment. Maybe it helps and keeps my firearms cleaner and more protected. Also I'm sure we can all agree you do different jobs different times; that is, not each cleaning needs the full rods, brushes, patches, solvent, etc. Sometimes a cleaning "surgical strike" surpasses a nuclear response. I do want to definitely pick up and try a product called Prolix...its apparently a lubricant cleaner that removes all bad stuff at the molecular level and forms a lubricant bond molecularly, meaning a piece of metal (your bolt for instance) will be clean and virtually dry to the touch but lubricated "internally" with a chemical bond. And I dare use chemical but its not piercing volatile stuff its based in citrus oil I believe. Anyway I read about it on Chuck Hawks website and it piqued my curiosity and I figured it might be worth a try.

Congratulations that looks to be the same I got. very curious, what scope did you get with it? I bought mine in early (March) 2010. I got a Bushnell [i cannot for the life of me remember the submodel but it came with an instruction manual with the model name on it] 3-9x40mm that was AMAZING for a little combo package scope. I actually had to show proof to some know it all gunshop counter monkey wannabe-Dick's Sporting Goods employee in Arizona....who claimed "[he] is the one who installs scopes on the combo package guns for Dick's [obviously his own store only] and we only put cheap Tasco/BSA/Etc. 4x scopes on the Savage Mark II G/XP". When I forwarded the pictures, "Oh ... well.. obviously they chose to do it differently in Northeast". I did more research and found I got pretty lucky, someone installed a scope on some Mark II's that was a few levels above the particular "paygrade" and then when it was found out, they corrected the error and installed cheaper scopes and particularly 4x scopes. I loved that little Bushnell and would not have touched it.... but my jacka$$-of-all-trades old friend who wanted to learn how to shoot let the rifle and scope fall at the range.... and the rifle landed on the scope. Still worked, but needed to be totally rezeroed each time used [which is useless imho]. I took advantage of a sale and put another Nikon ProStaff 4-12x40mm on it, and it has only got more amazing with time and hi-quality scope. Anyway congratulations, I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine and get the same success as I have ... good luck and good on ya.

Dick's Sporting Goods carries at least a few Savage Mark II .22LRs as part of their "basic gun lineup" (my terminology). I shop at the Fairless Hills DSG but started at the Princeton one. IMHO the Princeton DSG has a very basic and limited lineup and it has gotten much more basic ie worse since early 2010. However, they still have like one version of the usual DSG models (Like minimum one Remington 700 model, one Remington 597 .22LR, one Savage Mark II / 93 etc). I bought my Savage Mark II from DSG in Princeton but it is on the shelf at Fairless Hills along with a few other models, I bought a "GXP" which is G for basic wood stock, XP for combo package, with scope. It is a featured DSG item at around $200. I understand since I bought mine in early 2010 the price may have gone up $20 to like $220 , and I got a sale price of $149.99 someone told me they found a sale for $159.99. As I mentioned, I saw at least a few different at Fairless Hills just last week.

To me it's sort of like a synergistic approach with combinations. Right now I only have one .308, a bolt action Remington 700. However when I bought it I decided I would be adopting .308 as a 'family caliber' ... and what happened was, while I assumed I was buying the rifle, maybe scoping it and that was about it, and moving on to the next rifle.... I sort of developed a passion for it and decided to run with it. Now I have at least $2500-$3000 invested in it, and am realistically counting another $3000 I need to spend on it before "I'm finished" and it's perfect and long term awesome. However, I am also acutely aware I need at least one more .308 . And probably two. I decided to comment on this because your choices of rifle are basically the 3 options I'd like in my portfolio to feel really good and prepared w/ .308. I'd really like [at least one, if not a collection] of M1As. To me the Springfield Armory M1A is one of my favorite , "dream" rifles and honestly I'd love a collection of M1As before a collection of AR-15s [which many have]. I'd love to add an M1A w/ a decent scope as an autoloading, precision rifle capable of serving as a designated marksman rifle, a battle rifle, a ranch rifle or whatever... BUT I'd also really like to add a 16" [but have seen AWESOME 14.5" HBAR and 18" DMR style] AR10 rifles. Give me a little bit of CQB capability with of course the accuracy and range for precision/DMR work. Since at the time I could only have one, I chose the bolt action because it could give me the most accuracy, most reliability, least effort and problems, for the lowest price (Greatest value.) And it's turned into an awesome rig. But going forward I'd really like to have all three you mention. When i finally move to my families new woodland ranch in FL, .308 is going to be one of my primary focuses and hope to really expand my choices there... Probably won't ever get a GAP-10 but maybe something decent and if I could get a M1A and a AR10 of decent reputation i'd be happy.

looks pretty much exactly what I got with my 870 [Express] Tactical which came with a +2 factory installed extension. not sure the finish, the finish I have on my 870 is the worst finish I have ever seen on a gun. I have contacted them and they said I could send it in for examination to see if "it warranted refinishing under the warranty" but, the thing is, the finish is SO TERRIBLE to begin with, what is the point. I asked and nearly begged them to parkerize it for me or maybe even the cerakote they put on the 870 Tactical Magpul model but no dice. And as much as I'd love to have it done professionally, it's nearly $300 to have the gun Cerakote'd... not even fair imho.

I have heard nothing but good to great things about it.... Most people seem to love Mossberg but just 'like' their rifles, really nothing special but a good old college try ... but this one is both pretty cool and pretty good....if they finally make a .308 one I'd be all about it. (my other option is, I'm considering a special edition 16.5" Rem 700 .308 and then put it in a Manners hunting-style stock, a compact Elite Hunter, with the badger ordnance mini chassis, so i have an awesome ,small & compact hunting rig for a ranch rifle for my 30 acres in FL, but then its a $700 or so rifle and $1100 stock again so ... we are talking huge investment/commitment (not even including a scope, extra magazines, ammo of course, etc.). This rifle is pretty cool, where's the .308.

Just to throw it out there, these are great bags... I have like 7 of these... I think we bought 3 of these @ Cabelas during a $1000 Cabelas run early this year... but we paid $50 bucks.... Then they were $15 an I got 4 more, and they are awesome. If I had a naked gun or a belief I was buying one soon I would totally jump in there. Really nice stuff for really cheap prices. it's 2x minimum for bottom-of-the-barrel rifle bags at say Dick's Sporting Goods

I have 7 ProMag Saiga-12 magazines... and all have been perfect. They did require quite a bit of filing to work. BUT after filing they worked flawlessly. I will say that I bought the 7 ProMag mags for Christmas to go with the Saiga -12 I got my father. Right after Christmas in the absolute dead heat of the craziness, I found factory Saiga 12 magazines for a pretty fair price and bought 10 more. 7 of the 10 (maybe 8) of the 10 also required filing. And they were "factory new" but actually looked a lot more "run down" and "not new" than the ProMags. I admit I have read a ton of bad stuff of ProMags and on this very forum people busted my chops. Telling me I wasted my money, giving a terrible gift(s) and would regret it. Absolutely not, while I know OTHER PEOPLE have had a lot of trouble, we are locked and loaded and ready to roll.

Just wanted to add a few semi-decent pics I took for another forum recently... I got a few nice feedbacks on the big boys rifle forums and it makes ya feel like, maybe ya made the right decision, ya know? Although I will tell you I am very happy to say, I have not thought twice ONCE since buying nor really since I realized there was a few Manners stocks available that I liked, it was a simple decision and the first time I opened the box, I realized I scored. And when you get behind it and get your hand on the grip etc. you feel, this is the bomb. I will say I just noticed, in all the shots I don't have a magazine in... IMHO that is one of the first rules of safety, especially for picture taking, just get the magazine(s) physically out of the area... But I will say, it looks like better and certainly more cool with a magazine inserted. A lot of "regular" rifles do... For example a magazine in a HS Precision stock and especially the Army M24s... completely different look.. much much cooler. Anyway no big deal , just thought I'd add my pics for anyone interested in Manners. Ironically I commented on someone elses picture of a MCS T5A DBM in Desert camo, and I said how I had the choice of two identical stocks, identically configured how I would order them custom-made, in both Forest camo and Desert Camo...and I went back and forth for a LONG time before going with Forest. But when I see him post his Desert camo, I said it looks great, I wonder if I made the call on color. He laughs as he bought from the same place, Euro Optic, and had been looking at MY stock the Forest Camo, but while he was saving his money I snapped up the Forest camo, and he got the Desert they had left. ... just a real LOLlerblade situation..funny how things work out!

While I am in no means in the least as knowledgeable nor certainly not as respected as Pizza Bob on here, I would have to completely concur and agree with the Century comments. I am actually very happy I have an "original 2010" Zastava PAP, for example, that is not one of the Century imports. Now they are of course better furniture'd and hi-capacity but as stated, you need to expect certain things with them. Furthermore with this specific shotgun as posted, is it not just a Saiga 12 copy from China with some furniture addons? I bought a Saiga 12 right after the presidential re-election. Smartest decision I made during the October through Now period of The Re-Election period into The Craziness of Newtown and beyond. It has been so perfect- EATS EVERYHING like chicken chow mein. I follow a pretty regimented yet basic set of firearm break in procedures, specific to type of gun. With a shotgun I clean it completely before using it, I don't care what others say of "it's a {Mossberg/Remington/Saiga/Pardner/etc.} Just Shoot It!}. Then I shoot as much 00 Buck out of it as I can, MINIMUM of a 15-pack Value Pack Winchester SuperX 00 Buck for example... hopefully two or more. Then I put 100 Federal value pack bulk 7, 7 1/2, 8 shot bird shot Target Loads though it. Come home , clean it up, and then repeat the process with 00 Buck and many target loads. And the Saiga has been amazing since. For fathers day I got the old man a Viridian X5L-RS which has been rigged to allow the tape switch to be acccesed on the fore grip, so you can lase or light your target with your front hand. It's just an amazing gun and when you realize not only is it at heart a 12 gauge Kalashnikov, but a real Izhmash Saiga at that, you know you have a diesel engined tank ... When we move it will get a full professional conversion but for now, it's happy to shoot as is with the pretty cool config I have now. So bottom line, I would avoid this one like I avoid scandalous gold diggers and go Saiga all the way. (or Vepr but I don't believe Vepr comes NJ compliant).

I was gonna say, they offered what I remember was $10G's right after the incident. If a white person ESPECIALLY A KNOWN admitted supremacist did this, they'd be charged with attempted murder. Oh and Ho Ho Holder instituted a hold of evidence so he doesn't get his gun back. Which he OBVIOUSLY NEEDS Now that you have PUBLIC BOUNTIES on you. This whole,thing is scandalous. i wish "The other side" would rise up as much as the Anti-GZ side.

Urban Grunt: Exactly right , what me and mine are doing. Just got about 30 awesome and I mean awesome acres in FL. House is in revisioning draft process right now, getting the details re-checked out and adjusted. Rather than spending $4000 minimum for an awesome safe ( you have to understand, If you do this to be pretty much perfect, it needs to be big enough to contain everything you have, but even bigger for firearms expansion. Has to be hard enough and fire proof enough to survive significant and I mean significant damage and fire, plus you will be installing it permanently through concrete floor bolting. And perhaps a few other considerations I'll keep private, but that's the gist ... And this is for the safe room mind you. PLUS We would then have at least 2 probably 3 or 4 cheaper "Gun Cabinets" because at least 2 people would be keeping a few particular firearms in their bedrooms, another in the garage maybe, plus another area of the house. So it ADDS UP. Rather we're going with a fully featured, significantly hardened Safe Room consisting of 15' high concrete walls, concrete floor, and ceiling. And a very nice and costly door, Then the whole room is a safe. And you can throw a few cheap gun cabinets for simple storage or even storage via other means, and you're pretty much golden. I try to keep some info out of the posting for public consumption but let the record reflect, it's pretty sweet. The whole house is but the safe room is the bomb.

Just wanted to throw this out there... I am also a big fan of Benelli ... amazing guns. I had a Supernova for a few months. AMAZINGLY Sexy smooth gun. I had and have quit drinking, I just hit 3 years without a sip. Long story but I have never felt healthier. I had started quitting early 2010 and had March 17th, St Patrick's Day, as a huge day for me. St Patrick's Day (And Parade Day of course) is my favorite days of the year. Me and my boys have had *LEGENDARY* days in the past... since I had stopped drinking and would be staying in that night, I knew I had the opportunity to go buy me a new toy because I'd be saving several hundred bucks easy. At the DSG in PA, I found a pair of matching Benelli Supernova SteadyGrip 'tactical turkey' guns. They are 24" barrels with fiber optic bead sights, a pistol-grip "SteadyGrip" stock, all tactical black with the plastic armor, just beautiful guns. This was the second most expensive model they made, only thing more expensive was the camo version of same gun, this was a $609 gun the camo was like $649... The kid working was absolutely THE MAN, wound up getting it down to me for $329. He gave me a repeat customer discount, a long-inventory gun discount, matching-pair-of-guns discount, etc. The manager came over and gave a bigger discount for being a great customer and we just sealed the deal, I couldn't say no to a Benelli Supernova $609 gun for $329. it wound up being absolutely amazing and a perfect complement to my M930SPX. *but it just kinda sucked* that it was a bit big for me. I am not a big dude, and a 24" pistol-grip'stocked gun was a little big to bring up quick in self defense. I thought I could tactical it up but, a Benelli barrel is MORE THAN THE COST OF A NEW SUPERNOVA TACTICAL, literally. The gun I liked, Supernova Tactical comfortech with ghost ring sights, was like $419 in early '10, the barrel for Supernovas, 18.5" w/ front ghost ring sight tower, $449. So it would NOT be cheap to outfit it , Then my beloved dog, who was just a pup barely even a year old, got sick, and needed thousands of dollars of tests and I needed quick cash and that was that ,it was gone in a few hours. But I felt justified in letting it go because I knew it wasn't "fitting me" the way I like, BUT THE GUN was so smooth and silky sexy you could fall in love with them. Keep in mind also, back then the M3 Convertible and the M4 were strictly pistol grip guns, and I tried to order them w/ ComfortTech stocks they refused. I begged them, JUST PUT THE STOCK ON THERE, IT WILL FIT, NO BIG DEAL, nope. So I had no real options. The M2 Tac was like $1300 and I didn't NOT like it, but I would have liked the M3 or M4 more. Now I see they make an M4 standard stock. But in the future maybe, not now.

I take your point that the extractor is for extracting not feeding, I get that. However it's like what I'm thinking is, one problem or symptom is possibly indicative of a whole different problem.... a very stiff neck on your left side can actually be caused by a problem with your lower right ankle, which causes a chain of events up your body realizing symptoms in your left side of neck. I am just concerned something was not right. Basically as I admitted, I had had some problems after I installed the non-MIM extractor and the police parts upgrades. Resulting in a stoppage at the range back early this year I could not reconcile, had to put the shotgun away. I wound up tinkering it several times but never was happy with the feeding and extraction and didn't think it would be 100% at HD (you can't get , or *I* can't, get to the range every day to debug problems or changes.) I have since come to learn from a Calguns thread by one of the countries' foremost 870 experts that Remington in their Freedom Group goodness was not making the steel , non-MIM {Read: POLICE} Extractors properly at the factory. I was not the only person having problems . Now I have hopefully fixed it I am just not able to go bang out 25 rounds outside to confirm and was wondering what happens with other peoples guns, I didn't realize I was bothering so many people, I can go ask somewhere else. Sorry to have bothered.

loved Loved LOV3D my Bushmaster...l lim. Ed. M4A3 config upper, with an extremely unique and awesome M4A1-Style 14.5" HBAR, AK-74 compensator, and came with an A2 Stock and tri-mini-rails on a black M4 style hand guard. I SAW a canvas for my artistic expression and used this ( variously called a Busnmaster "AK CARBINE, " or a Shorty AK, or whatever.) I at once set out modifying to a full and thorough Magpul treatment, all OD Green including MOE handguard , RVG foregrip, XTMs on the mini tri rails, MOE Pistol grip, trigger guard, and pinned CTR Stoxk., so awesome.

One of the most astute and accurate foreshadowing observations made on this topic in 48 hours. This isnt over and all it takes is one match to burn down a house or one degree hotter to boil over.

Anybody? I can explain further if i Didn't do a good job the first time?

*STRONGLY* recommend Aimpoint. Aimpoint Micro is basically custom dreamed up/tailored for the front of an AK rifle w/ an Ultimak rail... BUT an option of a regular Midwest Industries / SGM Tactical quad rail will get the job done and while Aimpoint priced the Micro out of the regular folk's pocket as it shot up in popularity, they DID do the regular folk a solid, with the PRO. Just realize it is a significant bit bigger and the included mount is for a flat top AR, it's most definitely not set up for a forward , AK type setup, you'd need the $75-ish low/wide ring mount available for it. $400 + $75 for a PRO and a low mount is a lot cheaper than nearly $600+ for the Micro, but I have Two Micro's and they are amazing. I tried to get two more when they were on sale back in late 2010 but they sold out and didn't come back like they promised they would. *if ONLY* ONLY ONLY I had had the cash when Botach was selling the Aimpoint 3x Magnifier + mount for like $275..... I still cry about that.

As threatening as is it to have figurative online threats of the looting and rioting (MULTIPLE news outlets had LARGE Feeds from twitter showing how everyone was so excited to go loot and riot and steal, with Best Buy and Walmart the 1 and 1A preferred destinations BY FAR), the large amount of literal and figurative threats to Zimmerman and his family ,and the other lesser in numbers but most serious threats like above, people looking to "Get Whitey" for this... Now sure, it would be terrible for rioting and loss of property, economic stability/prosperity in your business and livelihood, and of course life and limb etc. BUT BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR, Because we could wake up one day next week and read the news, just the same, with 1, 10, 100+ Honest, hard working, regular joe citizens who Defended their castle and or stood their ground and shot dead rioters/assaulters/thiefs/etc. *and then* you will see some real 'debate' online on WHAT THE ISSUE(S) really IS/Are. Cause it ain't George Zimmerman, no matter how many times how many people parrot it back.

Apparently the Judge, in her infinite wisdom, left an order in placing shielding their identities and protecting their privacy and Her Honor made a comment reminding of it and that she would be personally holding anyone who violates Her Honors Court's ruling (ie reporting them anyway) in big trouble mister.

I explained why Stand Your Ground wasn't used in the other thread.

There is plenty of Google links you can get on your own time and inclincation. Norinco was busted "offering to sell guns" from AK-47s to RPGs to MANPADs and Tanks to urban street gangs in LA. Supposedly they had like VPs of Norinco dealing with Crips/Bloods generals for large deals. So Norinco became a Clinton public enemy number 1. ALSO there is the belief that Chinese ammo (Incidentially often supplied by Norinco) is "armor piercing" because of its steel core. Notwithstanding the fact its not the CORE that makes a gun round armor piercing, it's, you know, the actual projectile. And it's composition/disposition/ design. So Norinco is just a long time member of the Banned List. IMHO this thing is cool for the super rich collector who just looks to add cool stuff, of which there are plenty. I would MUCH RATHER have one or a few M1A's. And they make a diverse enough selection of M1A model/configs you can get a few different to appease your needs.

I'm pretty sure we got this stuff on the regular at my Stop n Shop, but I have been buying the Diet StopnShop brand Rasp. Ginger Ale because it tastes nearly as awesome, no real diet taste, and a lot LOT less sugar. I was raised on Raspberry Ginger Ale, my Polish grandparents who were both WWII victims/survivors thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread and it was a soda we were allowed plenty of (not like coke, where we could have one can every now and then.) I'll double check next time.

The word is now the Justice Dept under ho-Ho-Holder will file civil rights federal charges against GZ And have had "an ongoing investigation, which continues now 《That the verdict was freedom》".. If you think for one second this government won't prosecute GZ, first I direct you to Rodney king cops, 2 I believe got 30 months. More recently under the blatantly racist Justice dept head honcho, see the case(s) Johannes Mehserle.