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dude. I give up.

I have a LWD 40-9 in my Glock 23... and admittedly I had a few hiccups when brand spanking new ( and admittedly using as cheap 9mm ammo as possible) but a few boxes ran thru it and it's awesome, absolutely awesome. The Glock 23 is of course in my opinion, many other opinions, and even Hickok45's opinion, the best all around Glock, and you can definitely call it the most versatile- you can keep the .40 cal for Home Defense and not only get a 40-9 bbl for practice etc you can also get .357 SIG bbls ( you can actually just BUY a factory or other brand .357 SIG Glock 32 (31 if you want extended bbl length) and put it in, a .357 SIG need not be a "conversion bbl") and you can shoot 40, 9, and 357 SIG with your G23. I came close to buying a .357 SIG bbl but I refrained because it is REDONKULPUSLY expensive, really not THAT much different/ certainly iMHO not that better than 40 and its so expensive and hard to find a little, did not make any sense. Where as 9mm is cheap to shoot and plentiful for SHTF, 357 sig is a luxury round and not needed for my planning. I wholeheartedly encourage a 40-9 bbl LWD.

lmfao, Have you ever looked up Nikon SpotOn buddy? Please do and then get back to me. The BDC reticle is one of the most attractive features on the market right now combined with Nikon SpotOn. and no offense to your no offense, but doesn't saying "Without ever having looked through one myself" doesn't THAT invalidate anything and just about anything you have to say negative about it? Notice I had said , I have opinions about this that and the other scopes but I haven't said something like " Sightron sucks" or "Never buy a Vortex" because I have never purchased them and therefore practically used them ,out in the field / on the range/ at home knocking off a little, LET ALONE if I had never even looked through one. But hey man I really hate to argue with anyone it makes me sick inside to be honest with you , I won't say anything further. I do however think you should do a bit of research on the Nikon's BDC reticle and SpotOn before you render a negative opinion on it.

Thank you VERY MUCH my man. *EXTREMELY AWESOME* experience all around- Said "I'll take it" very soon after I posted the ad, presented me with a variety of options for the transaction, ALL to my favor, and ALL equally fine with him, *AND LIGHTENING FAST WARP SPEED HYPERSPACE-Xwing-Style * payment, I mean I could not ask for more. If I could post A++ +100 without having my thread removed I would have. Thanks much brother, Dick's Sporting Goods thanks you as they will be the recipient of your payment as exchange for shotgun shells for the new 870, even newer even awesomer Saiga 12, and Old Awesome Reliable yet New Hotness M930SPX

To the OP: This is like 3 times now I have got the same response from this guy when I recommend the Nikon Monarchs and 1 time in my own thread when I was showing what I had just got. I don't respond because I don't feel the need to justify my purchase or opinions nor compete tit for tat i know this do you know that or this eys I do no I dont o do you know this that and the other because I do,. I encourage you to do a little research on a variety of OTHER forums , as I did. I am pretty happy with the fact, there is a much larger amount of people supporting and glowingly praising than bashing them, as you can find on your own without mine or any one elses telling you what the deal is.

Dude I LOVE my 597- I really Really REALLY Love it. And I am much happier, no need for a 10/22 for me (I don't feel the need to justify myself but I am happier with my 597 and won't do a 10/22). There are two mods that are extremely good for the 597- both made by the best rimfire and one of the best overall rifle companies in the business.- Volquartsen ... one is their "Exact Edge" Extractor - was $20 bucks when I bought in Dec 2010, the other is their Volquartsen "Target" Hammer, was $40 in Dec 2010. The Extractor is essential. The achillies heel of the 597 is the extraction issues and their extractor sucks. The Volquartsen extractor makes the rifle 101% PERFECT RELIABLE. - mean it became PERFECT, I cannot express its utter awesomeness. The target hammer reduces trigger pull weight by over 50% and increases not only reliability and function but accuracy because of the increased 'smoothness' and reduced effort on the firing 'squeeze'. These two parts make A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE, and I cannot stress that enough. Now some people choose not to do this, or claim theirs works enough without it. Now I felt like I did do it, AND IT MADE SUCH A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE, my 597 is now my go to .22LR. If I could go hback and buy a heavy barrel version I probably would have, but it was my first long gun purchase and I did not know about them or the difference etc. Maybe someday I might buy a volquartsen barrel for it anyway. BUT- I downright love my 597 and am so happy I did it and did some upgrades. When I factor in the Nikon ProStaff 4-12x40mm, the bipod, my custom "Scrappy-flauge' paint job lol , I love my 597. give it a little TLC and it will give you some back.

I made two big ammo orders from Cheaper than Dirt after my back surgery in Oct 2010, probably around Christmastime 2010 early 2011 (my bday in Feb, I prob used Christmas present money first and then Bday money). They had occassional sales which were nice, I bought some 12 gauge buck and slugs, some 22LR stuff on sale, maybe a little 9/40 or even dirt cheap Russian no name .223 for the AR i had just bought. I realized afterwards, i LOST MONEY on this because their prices were okay, but their shipping is ABOUT THE MOST EXPENSIVE I've seen on the net. I beleive THEY ACTUALLY PROFIT on shipping, like if your shipping would be $16 from MidwayUSA it's $25-$30 from them, for their pocket money. When I calculated everything, it was substantially cheaper for me to buy the ammo I bought from them , from the 20 mins away Walmart. Walmart has pretty great prices (at the time, ) pretty decent selection (at the time) and of course no SHIPPING. I had another issue from CTD during / right before Superstorm Sandy in Oct, and they were not very nice then downright lied to me to make it up and failed to do what he said he would do for me, so never again. Then I heard about them cancelling orders of stuff EN ROUTE, and re-adjusting the prices from like $9.99 a mag to $59.99 a mag, absolutely redonk. Never again.

I was going to recommend you a Nikon ProStaff which is the entry level Nikon and of which I have two on my .22LR sporter rifle; however, having read you checked out the Monarch line, and having purchased the exact same scope (Nikon Monarch 5-20x44mm SF {side focus} BDC {bullet drop compensating} for my new Remington 700 SPS Tac AAC-SD .308, I would have to tell you you have the absolute best deal I could think of , in my humblest of opinions. I do not mean to suggest others are wrong nor also go against peoples personal preferences, opinions, experiences etc. I came into the guns/optics/accessories industry blind and wide open , without much opinion or bias (I mean I liked some gun brands but that is not relevant to this). When I bought the Nikon ProStaffs for my .22's, I simply took the most advice of people on multiple, unrelated firearms forums and a vast majority loved them back in 2010 timeperiod. When I bought the first, I was looking other brands and lesser powers, but I got an amazing deal on a 4-12x40mm Nikoplex and had read such great things I just jumped. I was so extremely impressred I wound up with another 4-12x40mm BDC for another .22LR sporter rifle I had, and was even more impressed. THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS IS, I had literally a nice chunk of money from a small windfull back in Oct/Nov, that when I bought my R700, I could pick out any scope I wanted WITHIN REASON. (Obviously the 2-3000+ and up scopes were not only a little expensive for me they were entirely unneccessary, a wise man knows his limitations and I am not that good. and I think I am better than a lot of people but seriously, i know I am not a $3000 scope shooter.). I had focused in on a top-end Leupold VX3/VX3L 4-14x50 , illuminated reticle, Boone and Crockett which was from $1000-$1300 depending on exact features/model/power/etc. I tried it out at CMO and it was one of their most if not the most expensive in their store. And certainly I said, Wow, you can see how 'clear' this scope is, how nice the reticle is etc. and how great this is compared to say, my $200 ProStaffs, really did make a difference. When i said that outloud, the guy said, oh we have a nice Monarch down there if you're a Monarch guy, I said, Oh I want something really top of the line, he said, Have you even tried it before you say that? Well when I tried the Monarch (I think it was either a 3-9 or a 4-16?) i was AMAZED at the quality/clarity. LITERALLY Lined this up next to a $1100 Leupold VX3 and let me say, itwas ABSOLUTELY EQUAL if not better. *EQUAL* at worst case. Then isaw, it was LESS THAN HALF PRICE. I was amazed. I had also been considering a Zeiss because I wanted top notch. Zeiss and to a small extent Swarovski. I would have been sacrifcing a little bit of power/size with a Zeiss and a lot of that with a Swarovski. But -the Monarch gave me actually bigger/more powerful/ arugably more features than the Leupold I was serious about and FOR HALF PRICE. I found the 5-20x44mm SF BDC for I think like $530 on Dick's website (I like DIck's, they have always been friendlly ,helpful, great service, great prices, ALWAYS take good and great care of me..) Well long story short, when I had my credit card out to order the scope that Sunday night, the dog went nuts, made me take him out RIGHT NOW, and it was pouring rain, I was all upset when I came back, wound up having the computer went to sleep and when it came too I would have had to redo the ordering pages and just gave up for the time being... THE NEXT MORNING, I got 25% off + Free Shipping ONE ITEM, Black Friday becomes Cyber Monday sale for Dick's Sporting Goods email offer. So , I instantly took advantage, and got the SAME XACT SCOPE I wanted and was buying for $530 plus shipping the night before for $397 total 12 hours later. I cannot stress how absolutely happy i am. Now when I posted it on here, most of the posters who I don't really coorespond with much were not impressed, "Oh you only got a Nikon Monarch on your lowly R700 SPS. " I could not care less and must stress here- Whatever 'label lust' / 'sticker shock' value I perceptibly lost by buying a Nikon Monarch rather than a Zeiss/Leupold VX3/ Swarovski i more More MORE than make up for with ACTUAL QUALITY, Personal happiness and satisfaction, the higher size/power/clarity / quality etc. and it comes with a box full of extra features AND A FULL TIME LIFETIME WARRANTY no matter what. I cannot say how happy I am, nor cannot stress enough how happy I believe you would be with a scope that you already encountered here. You would be probably happy with all the recommendations you have been given, I have personal feelings about some of them which don't belong here, but I CAN AND WILL say you are probably already able to make the best decision. Anyway hope that helps.

You might want to look at something called "Beam Lokr" - it is an awesome little device that 'mounts' to your shotgun tube via magnets, and the other side is a 'bracket' that accepts just about any reasonable flashlight. You can buy one of the 5 home depot checkout-line flashlights and pop it in there, you can go with one of the really nice $20 Weitta flashlights we all bought last two weeks ago (Awesome little bangers w rechargeable battery etc.). or even a Streamlight handheld / Surefire top notch flashlights pop in tere and pop right out when you want to use it hand held etc. Beam Lokr is probably what I will use on the M930SPX when I get around to it, mounts really easy to the tube w/ magnets and pops off when you want to take it off.

It's funny i was just discussing this with my old man. Basically I had major major back surgery in 2010, spine was redone with a prosthesis, I had artificial total disc replacement. it has been a long journey since. But especially in the beginning all I had was free time. I WISH i had invested the moeny I had then (which was pilng up since I didnt do anythig) and made myself learn how, because I would have both a ton of premium hand loads and a ton of cheap cheap ammo too. I just wish I realized that at the time.

Dude the thing is people are paying it. This very board amazes me,. people are paying absolutely stupid prices being asked for rifles etc. on the sale forum, to me, I' m insulted by some of the asking prices that sell out in a matter of minutes. Just yesterday I saw something , without naming names, I saw an ammo being sold 'second-hand' for more per round that it is being sold for brand new at some sites. But people snapped it up with relish. I mean how do you tell someone not to do that? and really, i do not see it getting better. Unlike the past years, this time, the sky really is falling. If you don't get it now, you might not get it for a fair price ever again.

I live 5 minutes away from Trenton State. TCNJ ? That's how you spot people that Aren't from around here. When they say TCNJ. And let me tell you. I shop occassionally at the 7-11 that is also just immediately down the road from the campus. Very very popular with students there, since I was born at least, the last 30+ years. You should hear some of the stuff they say while in a store, public places, etc. And when they see "civilians" its like they ramp up their rudeness/lack of good graces/social skills etc. "Yeah dude in between Surveys of English Lit and European History I totally smoked like 5 gravity bongs man, 3 shots of Jager two 4 locos and a glass of Franzia is in my sippy cup dude! I think totally that guy over there is staring at us, maybe we should like call 10 of our friends and stomp him for listening to us in public dudddde! and the girls are not much better, but I will dare not type some of the stuff you hear. Trust me- there is no explaining things to these children. There is only praying for our mutual safety in the future when these people have jobs and are the 'adults' of the workforce/constituency of the voting masses.

Pretty much the gold standard for all around gun use. I have a thing for using Hoppes stuff, Rem cleaning spray and dry lube spray (And Rem Oil / Rem Oil Wipes), and Breakfree CLP. With those you can do just about anything and sometimes you only need one and not all the others, sometimes you need a major cleaning sometimes a touch up etc. Breakfree CLP is very very good to go.

Both my first two shotguns came with Ghost Ring Sights... the M930SPX comes with LPA high quality sights, the 870 Tactical came with the XS Ghost Ring w/ Big Dot. I just replaced the aperture on the SPX with the LPA fiber optic aperture, its awesome. I have not been able to find anything to upgrade the 870 with what I have on their, without changing everything. As far as optics, two words : AIMPOINT MICRO. Absolutely amazing. makes all the difference, worth every dime. I'm extremely happy and they are just the best. If I had a 16" main use / duty / patrol /combat type AR, I might use a full-size Aimpoint like the M4/PRO etc. But for a smaller AR, and especially a shotgun, the Micro is absolutely amazing. I actually had wanted 2 more when they were on sale back in Dec 2010, and MidwayUSA promised PROMISED me they were getting more and had reserved 2 more for me. Then they changed stories and said they went through "more than 10K " in a week and sold all of Aimpoint's entire stock of the Micro R-1's and that was it, no more. So I was pretty disappointed, they promised they were getting more and had two extra in addition to the two I got on hold for me. They are absolutely amazing. I just changed the batteries on them , having got them late December 2010 and turned them on setting 8, occasionally using setting 9, of 12, and never turning them off. They were probably good for another 3+ years but I found batteries at the dollar store, pairs of them for 1 buck, so I figured, why not right? Best be careful and change them. They are advertised at 5+ years at setting 8 of 12, and one full year at 12/12. (AND ITS SO BRIGHT you would not WANT to leave it on 12/12.). And they weight a few ounces, can't even tell they're there.

Yeah I have to say I am also feeling the same way about mine. I was very lucky , I got a Mossberg 930 SPX when they were the most sought after thing in firearms early 2010. I felt extremely lucky to score the one of the best right out of the gate and never really felt the need to have anything else. People constantly praised the 870 and I kind of said, Yeah okay, maybe If I didn't have the M930SPX lol. But when I bought one on a whim, I really became sold on it. And I really like having two anyway, first of all Always have a backup.... _always_ . Second of all it makes it nice because I have one as my out - and - about - shotgun and the other is my last line of defense, never leaves a certain spot. The 870 TacMag is on a great sling, that one comes with me places. And it's light enough to carry with another weapon. Say I had to 'go out' while carrying my 15-22 or even my 700, I could carry the 870 with me so I had something to defend myself with while carrying a scoped bolt action rifle. It sounds stupid but I am always thinking about Survival and Preparedness, (S&P) and I make sure all my firearms have several uses, and all can be counted on for S&P if and when SHTF. And come SHTF I know I will have a diverse and extensive portfolio of firearms to use as tools, and the 870 is an important part of that portfolio. The fact that its awesome looking and so much fun is just pure gravy IMHO.

Bleeding the only major problem I had was, 30 minutes after opening it, on my personal one, the cord ripped right off. I wear a lot of painters-pants type khakis and jeans, with multiple side and slash pockets for all my every-day-carry stuff. On the left side of these particular Carhartts is a ruler/etc. tool pocket. So I put the new flashlight there, perfect fit. Upon taking the dog out and pulling on the cord to get it out, ripped right out. Probably re-attachable but still. One thing I notice, we have some really nice Streamlight flashlights, these are certainly not Streamlights. BUT- FOR TWENTY BUCKS, I am finding it hard to believe you can beat it with a stick. We might be trying out the more expensive ones on general principle. Because they are considerably cheaper than superpremium brands . But there is a noticeable build and quaility difference.

Funny that you said that, my Dad just gave me a million-year-old box of .22 Shorts that go with one of my great grandfathers target competition revolvers, I just thought it was cool to see an old old round etc. I am thinking you can shoot the .22 shorts in a .22LR modern gun if you have one it just won't cycle an action.

I have LimbSavers on my shotguns, *HUGE DIFFERENCE*. When I first bought the M930SPX, it was the hottest thing on the gun market in early 2010 and I just happened to walk into a store and the guy had one in the back, when he took it out to show me, all the 50 other people looking at stuff started screaming "IF HE DOESN'T TAKE THAT I WILL, " so I knew it was a winner, I just bought it. When I finally shot it, it was NOT fun at all. I am 5'8" on a good day and 145lbs. if I've spent two months eating pizza, wings, and donuts... So a 12 gauge really can kick on me. I put a LimbSaver on it , CHANGED EVERYTHING. It went from not really even wanting to shoot it for fun, let alone employing in the defense, to absolutely awesome and I'm confident I could use it on a combat mission, so easy to control now. I also have put the LimbSaver on my new 870 Tactical, on the Magpul stock you can put an adapter to add a LimbSaver which I did. Absolutely amazing. And it's a light gun so the recoil is hefty , no problems at all. Lastly I had to find a Slip-on for our newest, the Saiga 12, and it really makes a difference. I was not going to even try if any of the precision/speed fitting LimbSavers would work, so I just bought the large slip on, works perfectly. Now I am not sure if your particular situation needs even MORE than a LimbSaver, but it would be a pretty good start IMHO. For like what, $40 bucks, it can't hurt at least that's how I see it.

Hey it's no problem and all I can give you is my experience, research, facts and findings and of course my own opinions. Which weigh more to some than others around here that' for damned sure Anyway let me make it clear, I am not in the least trying to say "You need to spend more!!" I was raised with the idea "When you don't have it you don't have it" or hey, I might have $350, 400, or 450, but I DONT have 500, I just am not going to have it. So I can say all day long (and I read other people say all the time on the internet gun forums) "Just save up some more! Then you can buy the Remington 700 M24 SWS . Sure it's $12000. Just *SAVE UP*". Now specifically for you, I just wanted to point out, how much more you can get in the rifle for a minimum amount of savings up more. The 783 looks to be a huge improvement over the 770. Supposed to be a big technological advancement in rifle Remington technology for small amount of money. Plus as we have already discussed, you can get 700s for $100 more than your price of the 770s. Having bought a 700 recently, I am absolutely excited and ecstatic about it. And having looked for the Savages during the time, I can say I would be equally happy with them. So as long as you keep your options open and don't rush out saying "I want arifle today, I have enough for the 770, so I will just get it" I am sure you will be happy. One thing I learned with optics particularly, Buy Once Cry Once. Nothing sucks more than spending $100 or $200, having the thing suck or break, then needing to spend another $4-$500, and having already lost the original amount.

Yeah yes sir that is basically exactly what I was talking about. Cabelas has their own ADL combos, Dick's has some , Gander Mountain maybe, etc. I know its slightly more than the 770 combo you originally wanted but HEAD AND SHOULDERS a better rifle. And infinitely better in the long run if you ever want to upgrade, the 700 is the leader in aftermarket upgradeable everything.

Well the thing is the new ones were plentiful and cheap so keep that in mind- Having said that , for a good amount of time this was the most popular thing in the firearms industry and still is kicking ace and taking rimfire names ... So you should NOT have trouble finding someone interested @ the right price. my 15-22 is my most modified and best looking firearm and one of the most irreplacable. I am lucky I love everything I own and always am happy with what I buy and have fun hooking them up, but my 15-22 might just be my best.

I just feel obligated to let you know, in 3-4 years I have been reading the internet gun forum community, *all* the stuff I have read about the 770 is bad to absolutely terrible. It is not just a baby 700, supposedly it is physically stuff that does not make the cut for a 700 they use for a 770. Now I am in the booze business, long long time and a lot of schooling. I will tell you in whiskey and wine that can be a great thing. We often get wines that are like the 'extra production' of say a $100 bottle, and whatever just doesn't 'make the cut' for the $100 bottle will get a new name/label and sell for $10. This is AWESOME, you can get absolutely amazing stuff for the price. HOWEVER -- IN THIS APPLICATION, it is absolutely terrible. I have read many people saying their new in box 770 had physical flaws / broken/not working parts etc. etc. Now I know the price is great BUT if you have problems you lost any value right? For that price I believe you can get a Savage Axis combo , which is NOT a second label if you will. And also, if you shop Dick's Sporting Goods during sales etc. they have private label Remington 700s with scopes for like $400-450 ish etc. At mine they had a Camo-covered, scoped, stainless steel model less than $500. And the Remington 700 is the Remington 700. I would go for a Savage (they make a LOT of options for the money) or a real Remington 700 and never would get a 770 (And I am TREMENDOUSLY happy with my new Remington 700 from November). If you can go between 4-500 you really Really REALLY open the options wide open. ALSO- I FORGOT, Remington just announced a new rifle at Shot Show. http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-783/model-783.aspx Remington 783 - THIS IS TOTALLY right up your alley. Designed to be the best rifle you can buy for the purchase price. If I didn't drop double on a 700 in November I would have bought this one.

Hey congratulations, I also went with a 597 as my first long gun/first rimfire myself. I didn't want a 10/22. Still don't. If you have some extra money, you *REALLY REALLY* want to invest in the Volquartsen Extractor and Target Hammer. in 2010 it was $20 and $40, respectively. They make THE WORLD of difference in the rifle. Unbelievable. Nice nice rifle, I wish I had a heavy barrel model.

Yeah I have one on my 870 Tactical / Magpul as well. It is nice to have, I have the rear single point receiver attachment, and the front attachment too, because the MS slings ( I have the MS2 from a few years back) can quickly go back and forth. However, I have very little interest in using a shotgun in a single point config so I have a Blue Force Gear / Vickers Tactical quick release/2 point sling on mine. It is an AR-15 sling no question, but for me it is absolutely the best sling there is and it is awesome and extremely effective. I use the MS/2 on my S&W M&P 15-22, a Viking Tactical padded heavy duty on my 700, and the Blue Force Vickers on my 870, love it. Best sling I've ever found and seen.

While I have no particular experience with this particular model, Savage is basically the best 'pound for pound' fighter in the rifle world. Absolutely awesome and the highest value for dollar or Quality-to-Price-Ratio you will encounter, (In my humble opinion of course). I am a big fan and would not hesitate to buy any number of Savages. My Savage Mark II GXP .22LR is my most accurate and designated long term survival 22 rifle. Absolutely amazing for the stolen price of $150. I came close or ordering a Savage Precision Carbine 308 before I bought a 700 off the shelf but I probably wanted the Savage more, wanted the waiting time less. You will most likely be very very happy.