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Was that message intended for the NRA or us? Hope it was the prior. While some of you guys are honorable this is becoming a tired old story. Rome is indeed burning, one province at a time. Notice today's events in Colorado. NJ needs to speak as one to the NRA. As much as I hate to say it I can't give them any more money and I will not renew until they become active in restoring what was unjustly taken from us here, this while they stood by and watched.

I figured there was some sarcasm mixed in there PJD, but still it is rather frustrating and something that should be addressed collectively at this point. You see they either are or they are not with us at this extremely critical time, and with all due respect to hd2000 above their national efforts have less and less impact on me and many other NJ/ex-NJ supporters each year. I'm basically at the point where I don't care if they're protecting Joe Johnson's right to carry in Montana, we matter too and we as Americans are being denied the full and intended scope of our rights. Plus if they just focused on even one restrictive state and won it should set a precedent that you could be next and they are as formidable as you heard. Yes, even in the dreaded northeast. Bottom line is many of us are now blindly complacent with them and that is simply a mistake on several levels.

Of course I blame them, that's the whole point for Christ's sake. It is contradictory to their primary mission of protecting the right of Americans, all Americans, to keep and bear arms. Unless perhaps you have a disclaimer link on their website indicating that they are only willing to help in select states we can rightly conclude that this is indeed garbage and personally I'm long since tired of the excuses.

Absolutely, but why does this translate into legal inaction? I know states have individual rights of course, but Heller should tell us what is possible despite strong political resistance, should it not? And most importantly, why are they seemingly content to watch the dominos fall without even putting up any semblance of a fight here?

First and foremost, if there is a thread(s) here discussing this topic I apologize. I did a search and read through a few pages of sub-forums, nothing came up. Also please understand that I know this is an old circumstance essentially ignored by the NJ firearm owners' community, as we have accepted our fate and now count on them for nothing that I'm aware of. But along with this long standing sense of complacency regarding NRA inaction in states like ours, at least one otherwise well-informed person regarding firearm issues (me) has lost sight of the reason as to why we have been forsaken by the nations largest and most powerful pro-2A organization to this extent. Therefore I'm hoping that some of the more knowledgable folks here regarding this topic can help us all remember why it is that we have been so completely and totally abandon by this group. You know, the one that rewards it's NJ members with absolutely nothing but urgent sounding, repeated solicitations. Thank-you for any help.

I think NJ.com accidentally edited the text from two separate letters regarding two separate issues into one. Otherwise it's nearly impossible to believe such a propaganda piece could be deemed suitable for print, even in a NJ news outlet.

Very informative NJ related link they sent today regarding carry permits (we know that deal) and transportation laws. Pretty much along the lines as discussed and what I already knew for the most part, though some minor details were new to me. Makes it pretty clear that we are always transporting with a high degree of risk, period. http://www.usacarry....nformation.html Still, they are clearly dodging my primary question as to why they use the deceptive claim, but it's not worth it I know. Nothing to gain at this point.

Great responses Adam, thank-you.

Yes Harry, I am doing my best to both make up laws and comply to those made up laws simultaneously. Congratulations on being the first to point that fact out for us. Anyway, how about you try to stick with the premise of the thread rather than attempt to derail it? This is about misleading comments made by a 2A advocate to generate business, nothing more. Out of state permits are great if you travel or work out of state, but irrelevant to this particular discussion in it's context.

Well Harry, the issue I am bringing up is as stated in post 17. As far FOPA, do you believe that carrying a handgun and ammunition in a vehicle here in NJ can be done easily so long as you say you are traveling out of state, this with nothing to back that up? Also, would you trust the State Trooper who just pulled you over and who (like many) thinks that hollow points are illegal to own in NJ with your freedom because he should know everything about FOPA?

I understand your frustration, as this is obviously not the case. But please clarify for me if you will, the aspect of the law regarding the transport of a handgun and also ammunition simultaneously. What do you know to be the legal justifications?

Once again, read my initial post. Where do you see an implication or expression of hope? Also, do you see nothing whatsoever wrong with the statement as worded? Is he looking to help the cause of us the oppressed NJ firearm owners, or exploit it? Not a big deal I know, but oddly most here seem to want to find fault with me rather than see the deceptiveness of his statement. I'm going to keep on them regardless, as "Katie" the supervisor didn't call me today as promised. At this point it's either bad business or they are dodging the question, I'll bet on the latter. And please try to trust me here, I'm not looking for a fight or sitting around bored, in fact it's quite the opposite. I just don't like when someone who comes off as honorable sees a weakness and tries to use it to his advantage.

As much as I want to side with the fellow who found it while working, it seems that there is little doubt that he should have exercised the option stated above. To have done otherwise left the door open to needless speculation, fair or not. Still, if he wasn't charged legally then they should have let it go with a simple reprimand.

Yes, it is a normal request. What the seller is trying to do is verify your identity and age. Whether or not you comply is up to you, but I wouldn't be overly alarmed just because of that aspect. Remember that the seller does face potential liability if he sells to someone illegal.

No, that part is correct. However are you stating that that has any relevance to most, especially those who live in restrictive states? This beyond taking the risk of traveling in and out of your home state to carry elsewhere? Does Mr. Schmidt want to explain how we get our handguns and ammo to and from our out of state destination legally? Or perhaps some more verbal technicalities are in order... Translation: Don't try to bs people in the guise of helping them and say you're part of the team. Shoot straight or lose credibility, not complicated in the least.

Protected by the feds? And exactly how will you explain this to a local officer or State Trooper while stopped? Maybe PK90 can chime in if he has a moment later.

Old Glock, no disrespect intended, but I don't give two sh*ts what you or any other NJ resident can do with your out-of-states while out of state. Again, this is about carrying in NJ. Also, I am well aware of the NJ laws regarding permits and resent that a fellow firearm enthusiast such as this Mr. Schmidt would use his platform to spouse misleading information to fellow enthusiasts. Maybe re-read my first post. He is playing word games and I am calling him on it because it's the right thing to do, not because I believe he can get me a permit "in any state" as indicated on his webpage.

I appreciate your replies RedBow, but please remember that this is a NJ forum and I am a resident asking questions pertaining to NJ only. What one can do in PA or DE with an out of state license has little overall relevance to the primary issue, which is not having to be worried about a prison term for carrying in our home state...where we actually live and so forth. And as far as I know you may be committing a felony just by carrying the weapon in the trunk along with ammo unless you can somehow verify you are headed to the range, which only enhances my point. Could be wrong on that, but pretty sure I'm not.

Yes, but none of these equate to a NJ CCW because none are reciprocal here. And it's clearly not what is implicated in the link I provided. But maybe you have answered my question, as perhaps they are using the deceptive wording to insinuate that anyone in NJ can get a carry license, just not necessarily one that they can use here at home where it actually matters. If this is the case then I will make sure they understand that some of us don't want to be screwed with. Not going to let up on them until I speak to someone of rank and hold them accountable for playing games.

Does anyone know who this Tim Schmidt is? His heavily advertised website touts "How to quickly and easily Get Your Concealed Carry license, no matter which state you live in, even if you don’t own a gun!" http://www.usconcealedcarry.net/concealed-carry-info/ I'm going to believe he is a scam artist based upon this one claim of his alone, but if someone want to prove me wrong I'd appreciate it. I did sign up and have sent two unanswered emails relating to the claim, neither of which has been returned. I also called twice in the past week and was told the second time that a supervisor would call me back today. I won't hold my breath...

This could be a sign worth noting...

I've been shooting all types of firearms since I was 8 and have over 3K posts at M4C in the past 3.5 years, yet I have never seen the likes of this "attachment" anywhere. Now that is literally a new one, had to post the link over there as well for entertainment purposes.

Of all the well spoken replies stated here, this is the best. I am also a dog lover and believe that dogs are in fact more honorable than many humans. I also have sincere respect for 95% of those in law enforcement (there are always exceptions), but something in my gut tells me this specific instance was possibly a bit overblown. Really hesitate to have to say it in this case, but sometimes too much is simply too much.

Well maybe eventually, but this is certainly not the case so far. What exactly are you basing your assessment on?

It may not have been the most costly in terms of lives, but surely it was the most diabolical act of islamic based terrorism of our time. Inconceivably heartless and utterly horrendous. Personally I couldn't possibly care less that the Russians periodically clean Chechen house. Hope they do so again soon, in fact.