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Older Remington's will last forever. New ones will as well, they are just not finished as well and may utilize cheaper parts in areas that can tolerate this. It's to be expected that when you cut corners in order to lower the price of your product to be competitive, certain things are going to suffer. I've said many disparaging things about Remington over the years, they've made some bone-headed moves in their history and they've floundered a bit since DuPont sold them. I have been critical since the Cerberus ownership but understand certain business decisions when it's about making money. To their credit, Remington's Ilion employees were out in force at the Albany rally last month to show their disdain for the SAFE Act. They are stuck between a rock and hard place. Keep in mind that Remington is one of the oldest manufacturing companies in the United States, still making a product they started making in 1816. They are approaching their 200th year anniversary. They are the only original manufacturer of both firearms and ammunition in the U.S. No American would want to see them fail, nor do people want to see them disappear from the Mohawk Valley in New York. I'd like to see Glock or Sig-Sauer step up up to the plate and denounce the latest assail on high capacity firearms in America, but I won't hold my breath.

Nice. I still reload old purple paper hulls for the 16 ga. just for nostalgic reasons. An acquaintance picked up a pristine 20 ga. back in 2011 made in the 50's and paid $500 for it. That was way before all the hysteria.

+1 These were discontinued in 1989. Value can run anywhere from $250 for a plastic or birch wood stocked 12 ga., and up to $500 for a 20 ga. from the 50's with pristine case colors, solid bluing and hand-checkering on a walnut stock. Probably the best utility grade SxS made in America that's affordable to anyone and they have a good reputation for being durable.

Since this topic was broached in another thread, it seems this fellow on Long Island has some issues with his collection. The headline is the main grabber: 300-Gun Arsenal Seized from Long Island Home Near High School http://www.nbcnewyor...-199394181.html An arsenal of more than 300 guns, many of them illegal, has been seized from a Long Island home around the corner from a high school, and the homeowner was arrested, authorities said Thursday. Jay Steiner, 66, was arrested in late January after an undercover Suffolk police officer visited his Centereach home. Steiner has been charged with criminal possession of a weapon and is free on bail. "Wow!" said one surprised neighbor. "That's a lot of guns. It's scary." Police were acting on a tip from a gun owner who had taken his weapon to Steiner, said Suffolk District Attorney Thomas Spota. "The guns were stored all throughout the house," said Spota, as he stood in front of a table filled with the seized weapons. In all, 85 illegal handguns and 230 rifles and shotguns were found, as well as thousands of rounds of ammunition. "He had more firepower than the detectives who arrested him," said Spota. Investigators said Steiner had once held a federal gun license, permitting him to buy and sell weapons, but it expired in 2004. Steiner maintained a business card, prosecutors said, displaying that expired license number. Several calls to Steiner's lawyer, William Eppig of West Islip, were not returned. It's unclear what the Centereach man was doing with all the guns. The guns are being examined to determine whether any have been stolen or used in crimes. Steiner had no pistol license for any of the handguns, according to Spota.

Anyone who shoots at sound and not identify their intended target by sight first is not a hunter. I believe the two fatalities in New York's 2012 deer season were hapless souls indentitied by either sound or movement.

Try these forums. Lots of knowledgeable folks there. Pics will help them. http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=1&page=1 or the Shooting Sportsman forum or ShotgunWorld.com/bbs or 16ga.com

My one uncle is 87. He still hunts. Not big game so much anymore but still an avid upland hunter with his Setter. He travels all over the U.S. to bird hunt. He's heading to Alaska in a few months to go fishing. My dad is 88 and still hunts. My dad will start driving upstate to flyfish his favorite trout streams in New York every weekend once April 1st rolls around. He often goes alone. The younger guys in deer camp drag the deer, that's they're role. The older guys have earned the right for some relaxation. My other uncle stopped hunting at 92 when his English Setter died. He's still alive though, and he'll turn 103 this December.

You're never too old. Hunting is something you can do at your own pace. Just getting out is fun. Yes, read that Digest. Those deer zones and certain seasons may change from year to year based on previous year's harvest numbers.

Last week the 7-round-only magazine sales went into effect as well as no more private sales of firearms. Every firearm transaction has to go through an FFL now. New York is was such a contrast. The Adirondacks could be described as utopia if you like wilderness and bumping into an occasional moose, while NYC is a different wilderness. And contrary to belief, some of their firearm laws were more liberal than New Jersey's. Their laws now are a slap in the face to their law-abiding citizens.

Well, you are absolutely correct with your original sentiment. The laws going into place in New York are heinous at best. I don't think all the folks there fully understand the ramifications of such. As the onion gets peeled back, some folks are beginning to understand what they really mean. When FFL's realize they can't charge more than $10 for a private transfer, they will question why they are in business. When hundreds of thousands of weekend hunters head to the forests next deer season, those that wait until the last minute to buy a box of "thutty-thutty's" will find out they have to wait in line for a NICS check for a purchase, and businesses will not be able to handle the influx; reality will sink in. How many people are actually going to pony up and register their AR, M1A, AK, M1 Garand or M1 carbine with the state police, with the knowledge that when they pass on to the hearafter their firearm must be sold or relinquished? The ridiculousness of the "unintended consequences" will prove they weren't unintended at all.

I noticed Gov. Cuomo didn't helicopter up to Clay to lend his support after this incident, although it seemed imperative he show the day of the shooting in Herkimer. http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/top-stories/stories/gov-cuomo-visits-site-herkimer-shootings-4-died-6840.shtml http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/03/woman_found_stabbed_and_bleedi.html

Message floating around on various N.Y. forums:. Warning: The New York State Attorney General and the New York State Police are preparing undercover sting operations for selling assault weapons. Do not transfer or sell your assault weapon to anyone until the ban is overturned.

http://www.buffalone.../130319543/1003 The rifle and P-mags were illegal before the SAFE Act. And if you sell to someone who tells you he's a felon and won't pass a background check, you should go to jail just for being stupid in light of everything that's changed in New York. (He didn't know?) The media is trumpeting this as a SAFE Act win though. I'll bet Cuomo and Bloomberg are celebrating over martini's right now.

If you had a NY state license & bow tag then you must have somewhere a Hunter Ed. card to have procured those. That's really all you need. I can only assume that NJ would accept a non-resident one but who knows today. Maybe you can find that info on these links: http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/hntlicfe.htm http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/als/websalesintro.htm

Saw this thread on a few other forums and thought I'd share. Mike Walker, one of Remington's chief engineers, passed away last Wednesday. He was 101 years old. "For you that don't know who Mike Walker is he was the man that developed the Remington models 721, 722, 700 and 40x. He also developed the .222 Remington and .244 Remington (6mm Rem.) rounds. He is also contributed with design of button rifling, VLD bullets, and a 90 mm projectile that could penetrate the German Tiger tanks. It was reported that Mike worked 37 years for the Remington Arm company. He started the custom shop at Remington. He also had a big part in the development of the 308 Winchester round and worked with Warren Page and Les Bowman to bring the 7mm Rem. Mag. to the 700 platform. Mike was also behind development of Precision Shooting Magazine, and formations of the IBS and NBRSA benchrest shooting sanctions. He was the first president of the IBS. Mike was a top notch benchrest shooter. He shot in the 2010 IBS Nationals at age 99, and it was reported that he was working in his shop up into his passing." You may remember Mike Walker being interviewed on MSNBC's exposé of the Remington 700's trigger mechanism and inadvertent misfires.

Saw this survey and found it interesting. Note how the reasons of those polled for owning a firearm have changed since 1999. Seems self-preservation is at the top of the list. http://www.people-pr...now-top-reason/

The media knows exactly what they are doing. I'll bet everyone in the plant cringed when they heard the news. Remington IS Herkimer County. Without Remington, that area would dry up and blow away.

California really likes to push the envelope, don't they? (Concerns for this becoming a national model in the making?) http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-03-11/california-seizes-guns-as-owners-lose-right-to-bear-arms Wearing bulletproof vests and carrying 40-caliber Glock pistols, nine California Justice Department agents assembled outside a ranch-style house in a suburb east of Los Angeles. They were looking for a gun owner who’d recently spent two days in a mental hospital. They knocked on the door and asked to come in. About 45 minutes later, they came away peacefully with three firearms. California is the only state that tracks and disarms people with legally registered guns who have lost the right to own them, according to Attorney General Kamala Harris. Almost 20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms, including convicted felons, those under a domestic violence restraining order or deemed mentally unstable. “What do we do about the guns that are already in the hands of persons who, by law, are considered too dangerous to possess them?” Harris said in a letter to Vice President Joe Biden after a Connecticut school shooting in December left 26 dead. She recommended that Biden, heading a White House review of gun policy, consider California as a national model. As many as 200,000 people nationwide may no longer be qualified to own firearms, according to Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis. Other states may lack confiscation programs because they don’t track purchases as closely as California, which requires most weapons sales go through a licensed dealer and be reported. “Very, very few states have an archive of firearm owners like we have,” said Wintemute, who helped set up the program.

Legal to hunt with. The pistol-gripped pumps have become popular for turkey hunting as many say the grip allows you to manuever the firearm better when sitting and/or when maneuvering with one hand. http://www.americanh...ting-guns-2012/

I'm glad Bloomberg's edict of "you only need ten sips of soda before you get fat" fizzled.

James Bond busting clays with Emilio Largo in Thunderball using an Auto-5.

They are no longer the "real" Remington anymore, nor should they be the culprit. They are Freedom Group; they are Cerberus. They are not about tradition. The Remington parent is cognizant of the Remington brand and its value, but in the end the firm are about making money.

In Remington's defense, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have a tradition there that dates back two centuries and they employ 1 for every 8 people that live in Ilion in the Mohawk Valley in N.Y. Moving the company elsewhere and telling everyone they're taking one on the chin for liberty would be a tough pill to deliver and for them to swallow. Laying everyone off up there would decimate the area, especially in a town which is just limping along.

I hope for Remington and the good folks who work at the Ilion plant that this will pan out as positive for all. Remington plans $20M upgrade; future details not disclosed http://www.uticaod.c...t-officials-say and $80 million federal contract brings 'glimmer of hope' http://www.uticaod.c...ederal-contract

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