JackDaWack

Can we question his level of dickheadedness?

The section, as it is written.. Did not exist. Really not that hard to understand. The law doesn't apply nomenclature in this respect, 2c:58-4 is simply a penal code. I clearly applied under a different statute. AFAIK, GFH stated no one who took their course pre Dec 2022 needs to requalify. They also said the same thing for post 2022, but they then required a holster draw out to 25yards.

Not sure you get this principle. If you were in a sensitive place with a gun prior to Dec 2022, that wasn't sensitive, you can't be charged. I fulfilled all the licensing requirements at the time, per statute. It's literally post defacto to change the law and then say I didn't.

When you applied, per statue, and were granted a licenses prior to Dec 2022, you fulfilled all the requirements to obtain and retain a license for 2 years. Why would I or anyone else look at the post Dec 2022 law and believe we applied under it when it's amendments didn't exist?

I did not apply under "this section", as it was legislatively amended after the fact. I did not get my permit under the current (Dec 2022 rev.) 2c:58-4, that's the entire point of ex post facto. You can't change any part of a law and have it apply retroactively. It makes no difference if it's adding or amending sections, subsections, paragraphs, subparagraphs or clauses. A section is not simply defined by its nomenclature, it's inclusive of everything found within it. By your standards, the legislator could just change sections to anything they want and claim they always existed... That's not even a different argument, it's the entire argument.

Hard to have obtained one under this section when it didn't exist.

They did this with EPA wood stoves, regulate the hell out of them.. drive up costs.. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to outright ban new construction

What else does decarbonization mean?

Supreme Court has ruled on ex post facto laws, many of us have our permits prior to the passage of and/or when the laws went into effect. "A person who obtained pursuant to this section" doesn't apply to people who obtained them when that law didn't exist. Even better, the NJSP refer to the requirements as "interim" Indicating its not even "established", as it can change based on that language. It would seems the State is not doing itself any favors.

The old law didn't even require HQC2 or equivalent or a written test. After passage of the new law, I can see why you would do this.

We're still missing the point. The law doesn't allow for them to revoke an approved license unless specific conditions are met. There is no retroactive statute on qualifications. My quals were done under the letter of law, and reviewed by a chief of police and Judge using the then current NJSP directives. It's not probable that my chief of police would even rescind my license without a statutory reason. I can just see how many people would end up in the cross hairs of a civil rights violation. I dont think my town would be willing to bet millions of dollars in lawsuits to revoke a handful of licenses.

Nappen is a fear mongerer. When have you seen him stand up to the state on his own accord?

Cite the law. NJSP don't write the law buddy. They recieved some BS directives from an NJ AG that doesn't follow the law.

Cite. The. Law. What does the law say I have to do to retain my license? I can't find where it says I am required to meet state qualifications. Qualifications are required by statute to obtain or renew a license... not retain.

Like I said, nothing in the law states that a license can be voided for failure to qualify under these circumstances. It's. That. Simple. They can attempt to pull this BS, I WILL NOT COMPLY. My permit is valid, by law... until it expires or a statutory violation is met.

No, it's not law. I checked the laws, and cannot find where it says a current permit holder needs to requalify under these new standards. Matter of fact, I plan on being proactive in this respect and will be doing 2 things if this comes to fruition. 1. File a criminal complaint against whom ever attempts to illegally void my permit. 2. File an ethics complaint against the NJ AG to have him either remanded or disbarred for an illegal attempt in knowingly limiting my civil rights.

No problem, I will sue the state for fraud and violation of my civil liberties. Watch how fast they drop the charges. I have the resources. My permit was not issued with contingencies of qualifications to retain within the 2 year period, by law. This is purely scare tactics, from a legal standpoint none of this holds water for people with issued permits. The law does not give them power to void our permits under these conditions.

The only thing I can find that says you need to requilfiy is Evan Nappan... of course. If it ends up being true, Everyone who has a permit should go down to their PD and file a criminal complaint for fraud against the NJ AG(cost you nothing to do it). We paid money for a 2 year permit, and they were issued by them. Anything less than 2 years constitutes fraud by the state since these permits cost money.

At what point do we start filing ethics complaints against the NJ AG and get this guy disbarred?

At what point do we start filing ethics complaints against the NJ AG and get this guy disbarred?

I received my permit under the old laws, I have no intentions on following any new permitting processes until a have to renew. You can't make people "requalify", and this part will be struck down at a minimum. The new law doesn't even give them permission to set that bullshit standard.

I received my permit under the old laws, I have no intentions on following any new permitting processes until a have to renew. You can't make people "requalify", and this part will be struck down at a minimum.

Are you trying to get the state to pay for it? Anyone can pull an inground tank for about 2k if it's not leaking and it's a clean pull, permits and inspections and critical. I have not seen any requirements to install another tank above ground and used for a period of time. I think the state runs a program to "move" the tank from under ground to above ground.. some restrictions apply because they don't want to fund people removing the tanks for alternative fuel sources which would eat away at the funds primary purpose. I've done a few projects requiring permits around the house, your best bet it to just call the building and permitting department in your town and ask them for any and all information on removing an inground tank.

I have very little issue with anyone, just a matter of curiosity. I dont particularly care, but continuity on a forum and active threads is important as a function of reading threads. If you feel the disruption is warranted, you do you brother.

What's the purpose of posting here when you're purging your account?