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With post 9/11 addresses, the Rural Routes went away and NJ requires a physical address on your DL now. However, the physical address must be something you have proof of address for. Proof of address is generally based on the mail system. So, you can have your mailing address on your DL provided it is a physical address and not a PO box. Interestingly enough, when you get your DL you have to provide proof of address, but the VERY NEXT DAY you can change your address online. ac

I read that, and I still don't agree that the address on the IDs have to match WORD FOR WORD. They just have to point to the same physical "place of residence". My FPID says I live in Fredon, NJ...because I do. My NJDL says I live in Newton, NJ...because I do. If you look up my house in public records, you find I live in Fredon, NJ. If you send me a letter to my address in Newton, NJ I get it. Both my NJDL and my FPID have my residence address on them. They are both "valid" as per their issuing authorities. This is why it drives me batty when everyone says the address must "match". They must both point to the person's residence, but in our crazy state that means they might not "match". ac

Awesome. I greatly appreciate that. Seriously. So for an FFL the ID must have a residence and the address on the FPID and ID should match (in physical location, I still maintain that my FPID stating Fredon, NJ and my NJDL stating Newton, NJ are "ok" as they both reference the exact same physical location). Still doesn't mean a valid NJDL with written matching addresses are required for a FTF long gun transfer.

FFL's are responsible for following firearm laws. They don't have to follow traffic laws. If your FPID has your current address, you are legal and the FFL is able to process the sale. It is entirely possible for your FPID and your DL to both be 100% valid and legal in this state and not match. Does the NJ state law specifically state that a DL be used as the 2nd form of ID or does it just require a govt issued ID? With a FTF, NO 2nd form of ID is REQUIRED by law for a long gun...therefore it should never matter if they match or not. This whole address thing is completely out of hand on this forum. Addresses do not matter provided the person submitting the FPID to the seller isn't falsifying that they live there. In which case, it cannot be the responsibility of the transfer-or to determine. Our own sticky says "photo ID"...it doesn't say that photo ID MUST have an address. The purpose of the ID is to prove the person holding the FPID is in fact the person who's name is on it. A passport/military ID would both do that just fine and neither have the bearers address on them. ac

By the fingerprint, duh! :wild: NJ COULD make FPIDs with photos...most other states that have some form of firearm ID do. Who cares if he borrowed it from a friend? He presented you with a document stating that it is legal for him to purchase the weapon from you. Just like a cop could write your dad a ticket for your speeding if you stole his non-photo DL years ago. The transferor did not break the law if the transforee provided false documentation that a reasonable person would believe is legitimate. Now if a dude shows up to buy a gun from you, and the FPID says "Charlotte" you might want to see some ID. Really it is best to see and ID to cover yourself (not the LAW), but why worry about the address? That just makes people who live in rural areas have more hassle. 2 FFLs told me they do not care if the address matches, the ID is just to prove who the person is. I buy firearms with my military issued ID...no address on that and no issues from FFLs. ac

FWIW, it is impossible to determine if that pin is "blind" from this picture

Why do you need to verify address? You don't! You do NOT have to have a NJDL to purchase firearms. At an FFL you need a valid state-issued ID. The address does not matter. If the person has an FPID they can buy long guns. If they have PPP they can buy a pistol. Good catch on the no FPID for pistols. My bad. I forgot the PPP already has the purchaser's FPID # on them. ac

WRONG. Face to face transfer of a long gun in NJ: FPID, 2 copies of COE....No FFL required. Face to face transfer of a handgun in NJ:FPID & Permit to purchase a Handgun....No FFL required. Just fill out the P2p and send copies to respective PD's. That's it! There, I fixed it.

I tried that route...but I can't provide proof of address for where I live physically as everything that is mailed to me comes through my mailing address.

I don't THINK anything. I read often that posters claim a Valid and Matching driver's license is required for a face to face transfer. I KNOW at an FFL you must provide a valid government issued ID (not necessarily a drivers license). I know every time I have bought a firearm from an FFL they take my ID and write down the type of ID and ID number on the form they use to record the transaction. This form is NOT used for person to person transfers. I reviewed the COE and PPP forms again, and I see nowhere a form of ID other than the FPID would be recorded on the forms. I see NOWHERE in the laws or forms where a PERSON TO PERSON exchange requires ANY form of ID other than the FPID. Is this incorrect? If so, where is that requirement? I also spoke to 2 FFLs and they both agreed that the addresses need not match. In the sticks where I live, it is not uncommon to NEVER have your DL match your FPID. Mine doesn't. My DL has my MAILING address because that is all they will let me put on it as all of my qualifying proof of address has my MAILING address. My FPID has my PHYSICAL address because that is what the NJSP required. This has been quite annoying trying to buy guns FTF from members on this forum. ac

From the Sticky at the top of the forum (which I realize is not the LAW word for word): 2. Long gun purchases by ....A. NJ resident from ........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID ........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested ........(3) Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID ........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through ............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or ............b. Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID ....B. Non-resident from ........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID ........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through ............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or ............b. Out-of-state dealer = consult buyer's home state laws If the Sticky is wrong, and there is a LAW requiring a VALID AND MATCHING DRIVERS LICENSE for a PERSON to PERSON transfer, cite it and let's get the sticky updated so as to not confuse people. ac

Please provide a citation to support your claim. ac

Can you cite the reference REQUIRING the matching driver's license? I was unaware that having a driving privilege was a prerequisite for the 2nd amendment.

I don't think his son was applying for PP, just FPID which once he turned 18 he has the write to have. I think ExpendableRaj's point was that the "crimes" referenced could not be "fought". Up until the guy killed his cheating wife/affair there was NOTHING a PD could do to "fight" the crime that was committed. Cheating is a civil issue and PD resources are not to be wasted on civil issues. Sure, once the guy took the situation into his own hands an INVESTIGATION had to be done...but no active fighting of the crime could have taken place or used any resources that could have been devoted to something like protecting the rights of the citizens of the town by serving them in the manner of processing their paperwork in accordance with NJ law. ac

I have FPID already. This was just PPP application. ac

NJdiverTony, Yes, you are correct. That is what I found also. My original point was that the NJDL is NOT sufficient ID for a handgun permit according to the NJSP. ac

Application is dropped off. Trooper confirmed that I needed the passport and that a driver's license was not sufficient. He said ~2 months to get the permits back. ac

GiantsFan, What you found is just about exactly what I found. When I went to the post office today for the money order, the clerk said "firearms?". Apparently NJSP is keeping the USPS in business with their MO requirements! :-) I also couldn't find SBI212A online so I have the other 2 filled out via .pdf to make their lives easier and will fill that one out in front of them. Did you need stamepd envelops with your references on them? How about ID? ac

I am so glad you "know" this. However, at Augusta Barracks, where I MUST go, the instruction sheet they REQUIRE me to pick up BEFORE I MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, specifically states that I MUST bring a Passport or Birth Certificate. In fact, why should a driver's license be REQUIRED? What, now you have to have permission to drive to own a gun in this state too?

Augusta.

FALSE. A DL is NOT good enough to get an FPID or a PPP from the NJSP. One must ALSO have a passport or BC in their possession...at the station.

How so? The information sheet specifically says Birth Certificate or Passport. Driver's License and FPID are required ALSO. ac

Game on! Thanks for the clarification. Back to waiting my days to the appointment...so I can wait the ~3 months for the permits. LOL ac

I picked up the "application instructions" to fill out ahead of time since I still have 14 days before I am allowed to hand them in due to the appointment (Jan 4) requirement with NJSP (I requested the appointment 12/12). What I found is the following: 1. I need to supply 2 stamped envelopes with my references addresses filled out already. 2. $18 certified check or money order. 3. $2 check for each pistol permit. 4. Passport (apparently NJDL is good enough to give you a speeding ticket, but not good enough for REAL ID in this state) All of that seems somewhat normal to me. What is interesting to me is that I need 3 forms: 1. STS033 (normal) 2. SP66 (normal) 3. SBI212A (?) Is the SBI form proper, or is the NJSP adding a form to their own process? ac

They do, been down that road before. But I lied a bit. I actually had to drop off the permits for extension to be signed and then go back to pick them up. So...if you wanted to have permits for 6 months you need 4 total trips to the station: 1. Pick up paperwork and schedule appointment. 2. Appointment to hand in paperwork. 3. Appointment to drop off for extension. 4. Pickup extension. Sig P238 Dual Tone w/ spare mag and xbreed iwb holster. Not nearly as "useful" in NJ as most other states...but the price is right. ac