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My favorite was asking them to point to a gun law that reduces crime, and they just point to examples OF CRIME. Now my intent was originally just to show how gun laws don't actually reduce crime because there is little correlation, but they went out and did the opposite and showed how gun laws actually create crime. But of course that assbackwards logic doesn't stop them! HINCHMAN, How dare you use logic in an argument of emotion!

As well as a bunch of others. I saw at least a half a dozen other countries that I know this to be untrue about off hand, and I'm sure there are a bunch more. This is a pro-gun forum, not sure why one would feel the need to lie about that.

11 left now. In 2 hours they have sold over 110,000 rounds of .45. Wow...

The appeal is that seemingly everyone uses it, and it is largely used as a form of communication, even more so then texting and calling. I deleted my account for about 4 months earlier this year. Did I miss that stupid crap? Not in the least. I was however out of the loop of a number of things because of it. I work with most of the people I hang out with. There is a ton of traveling involved, so people could be on any continent on any given day. It is hard to keep up with where people are at if I'm not on facebook, and easy to tell if I am. And due to the infrequency that people are around at the same time, nearly impossible to make plans otherwise. The kicker is, as stupid it is and anti-social people become because of facebook, I became even more anti-social without it...

Well, not only do they usually ignore facts, but they often unintentionally prove points for you. Just keep annoying them with facts. I have been asking them to point to a single gun law that has been effective on reducing crime. The replies are usually amusing, as not only are they unable to show a law that has an effect on crime, they can't even come up with a law to begin with!

So wait, you are feeble minded if you believe something can change, but you acknowledge things have changed? I'm lost. Did you just call yourself feeble minded? Seems like an odd thing to do in a debate. Are legally armed gang bangers more or less scary than illegally armed gang bangers? Because guns are bad...mmkay... No idea really. I hit on this earlier too.

I agree. Every law professor/teacher, specifically constitutional law professors I have ever met seem to be opposed to the concept of personal freedoms and liberty, are in favor of government regulation, or outright oppose the constitution. It is almost like they study 'laws' and the constitution solely to find ways around it or to circumvent it. Of course I am not saying this is true with all, but just based on my personal interactions with a handful of the above type people.

Regardless of what I or most people believe in principle, or even on constitutional grounds, laws, codes, and statutes ARE enforced on those things you mentioned. The constitutionality of them is moot for practical purposes. So if you do those things, you are considered a criminal even if on principle, you shouldn't be. Me personally, I would love to eliminate everything you mentioned in point 2, and allow for everything you mentioned in point 3, with only one exception. I understand and can agree with preventing violent convicted criminals from lawfully purchasing firearms, but also understand the opposite. I feel this does make sense, however it is also moot. They can get them anyways. To be fair, these people I am referring to, should be in jail anyways which would render that pointless, but that is another story. In fact, I think the best solution to that (criminals being allowed to buy firearms) is in personal responsibility. Keep the NICS system. Open it up to individuals and not just FFL's and other selected groups. Just don't mandate or require its use. That would not be an infringement in any way, and would allow people the choice. In a free market society, you have the option to sell or not sell something to somebody. If you are allowed this option, and not restricted buy it, I bet dealers and individuals who right now, cannot legally sell to 'prohibited' people, would STILL not sell to them. Having read your last post (below mine), my above belief would still allow those who made a mistake 30 years ago, that labels them a felon, the right to keep and bear arms. Because the discretion would be that of the seller. Contrary to some people's beliefs, some people can change, and others can sometimes see that..

Guess not. The article did state this however. " Although there apparently is no “Canta-12,” there is a Russian model that translates to “Saiga-12” (as a Russian speaker, I can confirm this)." So at least one person is. For those wondering, the Cyrillic for 'saiga' is 'сайга' which sort of looks like 'canta'. It did indeed look like a Saiga shotgun that was recovered from the trunk from the footage. It can be seen here.

So we know around 2.7 million new guns were sold in December, and around 19.5 million in 2012. How many have been sold so far in January? My guess is that it BLOWS away the record from last month already. Anybody have any numbers. I heard somewhere that it may be as much as four to five times higher. If true, to put it in perspective, that is 2/3rds of last years told in only 6% of the year...mind boggling. Now, I would say that there is no possible way that is true, but then again, you can't find any guns, ammo, or AR magazines anywhere. Can someone please find out an actual estimate?

I feel inadequate.

I know nothing about Bulgarian politics but talks around the rumor mill are saying it may have been staged by the party itself.

Neither do real girlfriends I guess.

Maybe you didn't know, but in this day and age of technology, things that are on tv, don't just vanish, and are saved. Often, they end up online. Fortunately the interview you saw live on tv, the only one the ME did, is online. I also happen to post that video. He said in response to the question of what caliber the rifle and hanguns used were, and I quote "All the wounds that I know of at this point were caused by the uhh...uhh the long...uhh...the long weapon." Then about what caliber: "I probably know more about firearms than most pathologists but if I say it in court they yell at me and don't make me answer so I'll let the police uhh uhh uhh deal with that for you."

He can't because it doesn't exist. I'm also curious as to how the ME would know the brand of the firearm used just from examining the bodies, unless of course

Turkey makes a lot of shotguns. Huglu is probably what you are thinking of. They actually make CZ's line of double barrel shotguns if I'm not mistaken.

In that case, you are either lying or mistaken. As of the time of this post, that is the only recorded interview he has done.

That video is the whole interview from start to finish. He said he would not answer that question, so it wouldn't make sense for him to then go ahead and answer. He did indeed say all the victims were shot multiple times, but not the caliber. I think you are mistaken on who said that. Because the ME did not.

Was it a different interview or press conference? Because here he clearly says "long weapon" and when asked on the caliber, he specifically says he won't answer and to ask the police. No mention of the caliber. Did he later come out and say more?

I didn't say it was. GlassFanta said it might, and TK421 implied that it didn't matter because that right is somehow waived. I was stating that if you believe that to be the case, it is a bad argument. With that said, part of the 5th Amendment is to prevent forcing INNOCENT people of saying something that could be construed as, or is potentially incriminating.

Read that bill and tell me it isn't a joke again.

Good thing this school is taking a strong approach to such blatant terroristic threats made by such menacing individuals. I will not stand for such bubble gum in this great mountain of caramel we live in! Sit down! Kindergartner suspended for pink bubbles remark How bad-ass must she be. Suspended from kindergarten. I bet she is going to spend her off days smoking bubble gum cigarettes behind the 7-11. Punks these days.

Interesting. I just, in somewhat of an impulse, tonight bought a CZ Redhead Target . I guess I've been a bit disgruntled over not picking up some other firearms I wanted when I had the chance, and decided I wasn't going to wait any longer. Life is too short not to spend money.

Introduced with sponsors? Seriously? I hope it passes just do prove that brain dead zombies really due exist in a highly functioning (though totally inept) capacity. I'd just write random numbers on ammo boxes. Because in order to fit the serialized number on the rounds and casing, seeing how they are going to need to be extremely long numbers, it would have to be written TINY. I can assure you it is there, just too small for them to read. But I digress. No link, this is clearly a joke.