Dan

Ah , i see what you mean.

Just found out today that NJ doesn't allow the sale of 1,1,1 tricholor brake cleaner anymore. Stores supposedly only have an acetone based "non-chlorinated" version.

6rnd limit is for SA shotguns only.

I personally feel the NJAC "substantially identical" definition is clear that they deem any SA gun "substantially identical" to any gun on the named ban list provided it fits the evil feature list... even if it is a brand new never heard of before gun. In essence the NJAC definition completely re-arranged the NJ AWB. There is also contradiction within the NJAC (surprise!), where they say "the name or designation of the firearm" does not " alter the essential nature of the firearm", yet the named list relies on names and designation for enforcement. So using this logic in reverse... take a Ruger 10/22 , and the manufacturer re-branding it to "Galil" would turn it into a AW according to the named list, yet the NJAC says changing the name doesn't matter to take one off of the list. One way door double-standard anyone? That being said..this is my opinion, anything in the NJAC can change or they may choose not to follow it at any time.. AND the unconstitutionally vague "substantially identical" clause is still in the Statutes.

I use brake cleaner that contains only 1,1,1,trichlor as a cheap alternative to more expensive "gun srubber" type options. Those more expensive gun products use the same chemical. I'll dry-clean a gun like this only once in awhile as needed, not a normal part of my after range routine. You have to be really sure to re-lube the entire gun, paying attention to get into every nook and cranny as the cleaner will strip every bit of oil/grease wherever it touches. I pretty much soak down the gun with an aerosol CLP type product, let it sit for 10 min, then wipe down. Parkerizing will look powdery and white after using a trichlor cleaner, the re-lube step will restore the deep dark color.

Which stores told you that? Just curious.

Thanks Vlad

This is the issue at hand, as explained in my post before this one. Also, nobody in NJ legally owns an "AK". We have types and models of guns that are not substantially identical to AK type firearms. Please understand the difference.

Canned under what law or administrative code is the real question? Just because people call it M1 carbine doesn't mean that it is. The model number clearly is not M1 Carbine. Just like people call their Saiga or whatever an "AK" doesn't mean that it is. Someone can call their Honda a BMW, doesn't mean that it is one. The root of the issue is how the AG is wielding the power to block sales of certain guns based on subjective and personal feelings rather than the letter of the law (statutes) or even her own friggin guidelines she is supposed to be upholding (NJAC evil feature list). It is a dangerous precedent to let stand. Unfortunately there is no organized or funded effort to fight it. As I said before, the new name of the game is "regulation" nowadays. The anti's are going to push as far as they can, "regulating" us to single shot .22's. The IO rifle example is shot across the bow.

What he said

MTN Armory did the mags. Great value, I highly recommend.

So how for instance is the AO carbine (or even a US Carbine) is banned from being sold in NJ, yet a for instance a myriad of other SA types of rifles are not. If you apply the same (ill)logic that NJ uses , they could at anytime decide to do this. Just another example of how the unconstitutionally vague statute "substantially identical" and the NJAC regs aka "evil feature list" conspire to create an atmosphere ripe for abuse by NJ officials. It does appear they are using a blending of the Statutes and NJAC regs to mandate their will on NJ dealers and citizens. They are claiming "substantially identical" , combined with the NJAC regs "list is not exclusive" wording, then ignoring the Evil Feature List altogether. They've basically created a situation where they can dictate by decree their ideas of what should be banned, using the fear of criminal charges/lawsuit as the enforcement mechanism. The NJ AG is probably shooting for powers similar to NYC, where officials can choose to define any model firearm a AW by merely making an announcement that it is banned. No rules to follow, no due process, just the stroke of a pen by one person.

Intercooler, the rifle did come in. A CAI M74 Sporter with a pinned/welded muzzle brake, and bayonet lugs removed. The magazine is a permanently altered mag to hold 15 rounds maximum. So far she's a beauty, couldn't ask for more. I even dressed her up with Timbersmith black wood laminate. The stock furniture is poop, and the new stuff really dresses up the rifle quite a bit. I was happy to see that CAI uses a Tapco G2 fire control group. It was an upgrade I was planning on doing, no need now! It really needed a good cleaning from all the machine oil and grit. Seems they lubed it with dirt and sand from the factory. The craftsmanship is nothing special, parkerize finish is adequate. It is nicer than what I was expecting for $400 which is a plus. Shooting report to follow the next time I get to the range.

This is why I feel the mechanism the state would/is choosing to use are "letters" to NJ dealers instructing/blackmailing them into not selling particular styles of guns, whether they are on the list or meet evil features or not. This would culminate into a pseudo ban for any new types of these guns being sold in NJ. I highly doubt they would go after individuals, or threaten prosecution based on Vlad's points above. It would also take a defiant dealer to go against the state's "letter", as that would be a game of push comes to shove and may be dragged into court. Bottom line is even if there is a very good chance that the dealer would win the case... he/she is going up against tremendous legal fees and a possibility that they may be convicted of selling an AW to unauthorized persons. Who wants to take that chance, remember this would be NJ's courts deciding the first round. The state would have the updated "letter" (even though it goes against the NJAC guidelines) as evidence that the dealer was instructed to not sell those types/styles of weapons. IMO , this is a precursor to the AG attempting to update the NJAC guidelines for all future dealer sales. If she did, unfortunately it would take a huge legal battle to go at the heart of all this absurdity... NJ's AWB statutes.

I thought of that also Vlad. Good point, it would be a pretty big mess going after the public in this manner. They may try to make a few examples out of people, just to spread fear on how people should be avoiding these style guns. Again, there is nothing stopping them besides the NJAC which can be changed or not even followed without repercussions at any time. What I do see being very possible; however, is a gradual choking off of the supply by mandating to dealers little by little certain styles of guns that they are no longer allowed to sell to the public. So far notch 1 for "AK style" guns by a specific dealer. There are also other dealers choosing not to sell those style guns out of fear. If the AG got away with it at one shop with one broad style (AK styled), then what is stopping them from sending a letter out to all shops/dealers?

Thanks for the clarification Paul, I forgot to look in the NJAC. I find also find it interesting on the notion of the statutes notion of the "list" and definition of substantially identical referring to firearms on the list exclusively. Which means any new type of SA gun that comes out is not bound by the AWB law since it would not be on the list. But then NJAC 13:54-1.2 contradicts the statutes by stating the list is not exclusive, and grouping all SA weapons into it. That being said, as you pointed out the NJAC and the 1996 "Substantially identical" AG letter both have the same weight , which is not much... as NJ state politicians can alter their guidelines at any time. Still in the same boat.

Had a good discussion with someone today, got me thinking... here it is: First off, the NJ statutes have the full "assault weapon" list of specifically named model guns that are banned, along with the "substantially identical" clause. It also has some other rules, such as fixed magazine limits etc. The "evil feature list" is NOT in the NJ Statutes. See here: NJ Statute defining an AW The case of NJ v Robert D. Merrill changed things back in 1996, a situation in which the court deemed the "substantially identical" clause as unconstitutional around its vagueness, and Robert was free of charges against him which were being found in possession of a MAK90 and a <15 round magazine. You can read more about it here: Case . NJ decided not to appeal. Instead the AG at the time wrote a letter to all county prosecutors and LE chiefs defining what "substantially identical" means, and to enforce it as such. This gave us the evil feature list. The letter can be found here. The original AWB remained in the statutes. So in essence, the NJ Statue on "substantially identical" still stands on the books as law. The State can choose to ignore or rescind the old 1996 AG letter at any time, and start causing hell. Gun dealers know this, and this is the big stick the State (AG) holds in her hand. At any time she can demand that a gun dealer stop selling a particular firearm that she feels is "substantially identical", ignoring the 1996 AG guideline letter. At that point it becomes a game of chicken, either the dealer obeys, or faces a criminal lawsuit that will either make him or her broke, in jail, or both. It could also backfire, and bring down the full weight of SAF/ANJRPC/NRA, etc down on NJ , ending in a complete recall of NJ's AWB statutes. The AG knows this and hasn't tried anything ... yet. Nor is there a dealer that I know of that would want to be the trailblazer on that one. Theoretically anyone (excluding dealers and others under exceptions) with a EBR type SA gun in NJ can be another Robert Merrill. All that person would have is the 1996 AG letter stating "guidelines" and past precidence with the Merrill case as a defense. IMO it is a good one, but still, could be a life changing event for whoever this happens to. This has me reaching for my tinfoil hat. As in no longer posting pics and discussing any shall we say "cool looking" SA guns in such a way that indicates that I own one. It also has implications regarding our dealers in the state. If people start calling in to the NJSP and AG's office asking if so and so's "AK" is legal in NJ, and start dropping names of dealers selling them , etc things can go badly. We all know of the recent example of which I will not go into details. Thus, I would also keep our dealer's in mind when responding to threads about where I got a particular kind of rifle. Fly low and slow to avoid unwanted attention. I performed the best research I could on this topic, citing links to where I got it. If I'm wrong or missing something, please let me know. Edit : Mods, can you move this to the NJ Gun Laws board, I should have posted it there. thanks!

I thought about this also. I suppose it is the easiest way to describe what you are talking about, and is just another example at how rediculous NJ laws are. I try to make the effort to say "AK styled rifle", and I notice many folks make the attempt as well, it just doesn't last long. Technically there is nothing illegal with calling something an AK-47... So long as if the rifle in your possession is not a banned by name with "AK" in the model name, or containing too many evil features. Will it trigger a flag from the State if someone calles their rifle an AK? Maybe, but I suspect not. as so many people use the term AK in describing their NJ legal rifles, its a moot point. I also think that in this political environment, NJ doesn't want to go around trying to prosecute law abiding folks because their gun "looks like it should be illegal". Another recipe for a 2A infringement lawsuit.

They should make it a factory option.

Nice catches! Yellow Fin sushi, oh yea! I remember out diving in the pacific, the locals were catching tuna during the day, having sushi at night. They cut it super thin to de-parasite it as they don't give it a freeze-thaw cycle before eating it. Was the freshest sushi I've ever had.

I occasionally use Sharp Shoot R foam, has no smell whatsoever. Thing is you have to leave it overnight. Works great for copper fouling. I use it, let it sit for a few hours, then run a brush and a few dry patches to get the initial crud out. I then leave it overnight, and run a few patches through the next day. The patch will be dark blue / black from all the copper and crud it has been eating away overnight. Note: a little goes a long way. Spray it in, and wait for it to expand. Otherwise, you'll just waste the foam as it shoots out of the other side of the barrel. Its awesome with copper removal, just OK with carbon/crud. You could use one of the other options mentioned in the thread for initial brush/swab of the bore to remove the crud, then follow up with the foam for a de-copper process. I just got a bottle of G96 synthetic CLP. It also has no smell, but I haven't tried it yet, so can't comment on its capabilities yet. I'll probably try it this weekend and will post here if I have good results. bore foam

This is scary.

My rifle is in and neutered. Going to pick it up Saturday. I'll start a new thread with Pics-n-stuff. I may take it right to the range for some break in goodness (after a quick initial clean and lube of course).

Is it illegal to fly with empty shells? Just curious.

nice, next time I will do the same