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Huh? Given both a 16" and a 14.5" with the same barrel profiles and compensators its impossible for the 14.5" to be "no lighter" than the 16". The 14.5" are typically 3-4oz lighter than a 16" and that weight comes off the muzzle end where its more noticable. Another point to mention is that since here in the PRNJ we have to have a comp permanatly attached why not go with an upper that comes with one already done? As to velocity loss, yes there is about 60-75fps loss going to a 14.5", but IMHO the trade off is worth it, besides most people here will never notice the slight loss in velocity. And just how do they give up sight radius? The rifle will still have the same sight radius no matter if its a 11" barrel, a 14.5" barrel or a 18" barrel as long as they use the same length gas system.

AFAIK it hasnt been offered for quite a while now.

Since there are already plenty of tech reasons given I will not go into that. IMHO, another reason to go with the mid is it just looks better than a carbine. I cant stand the look of a 16" carbine length, too much barrel sticking out in front of the FSB, especially when compared to a 14.5" midlength which looks perfect, again this is just my .02

Heres a great vid of Travis Haley talking about the 300blk, and shows him making hits on a target @750m with a 8" barreled, supressed, 300blk (Spikes compressor)

Troy is 20% off thier website today,use code cybermonday http://troyind.com/%20/partners/viking-tactics/troy-vtac-battlerail-alpha-11

True, I didnt think about that, but yea a set of 2 piece carbine rails like the MI or DD ones will work without cutting anything. I was thinking that he wanted a longer rail on it which is why I was talking about choping the fsb.

Cutting down the fsb basically into a lopro gasblock so it ends up looking like this

Shave down the FSB, cut the delta ring etc off, and use one of the rails that attach to the stock barrel nut, no removal of the comp needed. Troy alpha & bravo, Rainier arms evo, Samson evo, all use the stock barrel nut. (I know theres a few more too)

That is one of the greatest things Ive seen in a while. Im never going to look at shovels the same again, everytime I see one now Im going to think what kind of gun I can make out of it.

Yep they told my dad the same thing when we were in there around 9:45ish (He got one of the Savage .22s), said they'd give him a call prob next week to come in and get it. It was funny when we first got to the gun counter there was no one there, but as soon as the guy started showing my dad the rifle a bunch of people came up looking to buy ammo & guns.

Here ya go http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/41414-where-to-find-midwest-px-pmags/

Heres a great deal on a lightweight upper(but you would still need to get a brake/comp perm attached and get rid of the bayo lug) They only have 31 27 20 left right now http://www.aimsurplu...URG&groupid=586

Ive been checking these out too, waiting for more reviews till Im sold on one though. Heres the best pic Ive found of the front of it

Still havent gotten out to test mine yet, hoping to have time to do it tomorrow. Hoping it runs good on federal bulk cause I have a ton of it.

Congrats on your first, just be prepared for the onset of BRD. They are like potato chips....you cant have just one.

Another vote for BCM, or if you want to spend alittle less and can wait a bit longer for it PSA.

x2, plus with building your own you can get what parts you want on the rifle, instead of buying a stock rifle and spending more money on replacing parts (handguards, stocks, grips, etc).

Good choice on going with the 686. If you want to try an AR I might be going to Delran sunday to shoot mine and test out my new .22 conversion for it (depending on my schedule). Im not sure if thier handgun range is reopened yet, I dont see it posted as being closed on the website anymore so it may be open. http://www.delranjuniormarksman.com/

Yea emailing them doesnt help, its like a monkey f**king a football. Ive had good luck with calling them though, both times I called the person that answered was very helpful.

Interesting info, but how does that help hide things in the wall?

Wideners has them all in stock except for the small pistol http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=278|284|316

You could do pretty much the same thing with a couple 2x4's and some pegboard for waaayyyy less. Cool idea though

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If you actually read the description they are not the same, the ones in the 2nd link are in strips for use in the APS primer feed on some RCBS reloading machines. So they arent price gouging anybody.... Edit: heres the link to the ones in the strip so you can see the difference http://www.cci-ammun...mers.aspx?id=26